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Marcus Edwards - Excelsior

mpickard2087

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Nah, get him back and give him a run in the League Cup and against the relegation fodder. Poche has a good record at putting his youth players in the first teams.

He does, but it seems as though he's selective. If Edwards is 20, there are younger players Poch has given more game/bench time too than him. Suggests he's not decided on him yet.

It's quite obvious by now they have to be a certain type of person for Poch to allow them in to the first team picture. The honest toiler, ultra loyal, teachers pet type of person - usually found in midfield water carriers (see Winks, Skipp, Marsh, Mason, Bentaleb before they fell out, etc) with a few other exceptions such as KWP.

I also think Poch possibly sees the centre of the park, usually thought of in football as the key battle ground that you must wrestle control of, as where he can afford to drop people in. They have people in front of them to provide the quality/impact in front of goal and the security behind them in defence to protect and mop up. The centre of the park is maybe also seen as the best place to inject a dose of youthful enthusiasm and desire.

Added to that there have been a couple of snippets of info that have come out of the academy that people have been told that if you're an attacking player in the youth system then it will take a miracle to get a chance/look in at first team level.
 

JimmyG2

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Think he might be more ready now,
more settled and responsive after Excelsior
very talented but seemingly
slow to mature.
If he's as good as people have been saying
for some time now
take a chance on the boy.
before we let him go
and regret it.
 

Johnny J

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It's quite obvious by now they have to be a certain type of person for Poch to allow them in to the first team picture. The honest toiler, ultra loyal, teachers pet type of person - usually found in midfield water carriers (see Winks, Skipp, Marsh, Mason, Bentaleb before they fell out, etc) with a few other exceptions such as KWP.

I also think Poch possibly sees the centre of the park, usually thought of in football as the key battle ground that you must wrestle control of, as where he can afford to drop people in. They have people in front of them to provide the quality/impact in front of goal and the security behind them in defence to protect and mop up. The centre of the park is maybe also seen as the best place to inject a dose of youthful enthusiasm and desire.

Added to that there have been a couple of snippets of info that have come out of the academy that people have been told that if you're an attacking player in the youth system then it will take a miracle to get a chance/look in at first team level.
I find this sad. Surely we should be giving him a chance for a season in the first team squad. It's not like we're stacked with options, given that GKN and VJ are clearly off, and they weren't playing anyway. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. But if it works, we've saved ourselves a ton of money and potentially have a new star.
 

SpunkyBackpack

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You can all say he needs to go on loan teams to like Fulham or Leeds, from what he did this season he still isn't anywhere near the standard to be of any use to those clubs. Either you are misunderstanding the quality at the top of the Championship or you're rose tinted on how well he has played this year, he still looks like a youth player flitting in and out and lacking composure at the end. He didn't stand out in a Dutch team that nearly got relegated.

It might all fall into place and it suddenly clicks but as he is now we need to be realistic, even though someone made a garbage graph that shows precisely jack shit of anything. I'd love to be wrong, though as far as i remember it has never ever ever happened.
 

McFlash

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You can all say he needs to go on loan teams to like Fulham or Leeds, from what he did this season he still isn't anywhere near the standard to be of any use to those clubs. Either you are misunderstanding the quality at the top of the Championship or you're rose tinted on how well he has played this year, he still looks like a youth player flitting in and out and lacking composure at the end. He didn't stand out in a Dutch team that nearly got relegated.

It might all fall into place and it suddenly clicks but as he is now we need to be realistic, even though someone made a garbage graph that shows precisely jack shit of anything. I'd love to be wrong, though as far as i remember it has never ever ever happened.
I'm pleased it's not just me, that can never make sense of most of these graphs and fucking scribbles that are posted.
 

Blake Griffin

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Am i reading the graphic right, he had a close to 100% tackle success rate? Wonder how many tackles he attempted?

Still looks very good for him on the defensive side of things!

no, it means he was in the top 1 percentile of all players in the eredivisie for that particular stat, same for dribbles. his total tackles puts him at about 18% of all players so he didn't attempt loads but when he did he won them at a higher rate than pretty much any player, does seem like a bit of a statistical quirk though.
 

EQP

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no, it means he was in the top 1 percentile of all players in the eredivisie for that particular stat, same for dribbles. his total tackles puts him at about 18% of all players so he didn't attempt loads but when he did he won them at a higher rate than pretty much any player, does seem like a bit of a statistical quirk though.

Gotcha! I appreciate the break down! Thats makes more sense to me and still bodes well for him.
 

Hakkz

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He's in his last year now. Either we extend the contract, but that would probably require promises of first team football. Or it's time to sell.
 

jurgen

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faze_coys

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Worrying? :banghead:

Just gonna ignore the bits where he says hes grown up and his attitude has got better, and that he needed the last year to show him what pro football is about?
 

hellava_tough

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I hope he succeeds with us and if not, elsewhere

That mini documentary about John Bostock on YT was quite an eye-opener. A player can have bags of talent, but if they struggle off the pitch it can all go wrong very quickly
 

midge

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Not one of those training with the first team . Parrott, Roles and even Georgiou is there

"Pochettino also bumped up the numbers in training - with many of his summer internationals absent - by selecting some talented players from the development squad to join in including Troy Parrott, Jack Roles, Harvey White, Anthony Georgiou, Jamie Bowden, George Marsh and goalkeeper Brandon Austin. "
 

razzmaster

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I think Sam Shashoua and Marcus Edwards aren't due back yet as both their teams were involved in play off matches.
 

Blake Griffin

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I think Sam Shashoua and Marcus Edwards aren't due back yet as both their teams were involved in play off matches.

makes sense for shashoua as his season only ended two weeks ago but marcus last played on may 22nd so not sure why he would need additional time off, i hope you're right but we've been here before wondering where he is only to find he's languishing in the background somewhere.
 

razzmaster

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makes sense for shashoua as his season only ended two weeks ago but marcus last played on may 22nd so not sure why he would need additional time off, i hope you're right but we've been here before wondering where he is only to find he's languishing in the background somewhere.

Not sure if it's right but I definitely read it somewhere

Edit - Ally Gold suggested it in this article

https://www.football.london/tottenham-hotspur-fc/news/vincent-janssen-troy-parrott-5-16557508
 
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