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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

Nicki78

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Sep 20, 2005
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he would've been working with the team that started straight after the game against burnley, they should be the ones ready to play.

in regards to the HT changes, yes it was a bit dramatic but it was the sort of move that would've worked at every other club he's worked at. can you imagine him at Chelsea bringing on Lampard, drogba etc? those players would have shown a reaction.

I just don't know how many of the players really want it apart from Kane.
I think that's a little harsh. Certainly Son, Lloris (who was screaming at the players at times last night) and a few others really give their all for the team.
 

carpediem991

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May 31, 2011
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If there was one match we could lose over the last two months it was this one.

Shit day at the office, mistakes by coach and team but lets move on. Its time to moan if there is no reaction on Sunday.
 

JCRD

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Aug 10, 2018
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It's funny how everyone seems to picked up on the fact that he said now you know why I don't pick certain players, yet they seemed to have missed the fact that he said that he'd take full responsibility for picking the team but I guess it comes down to what people want to read and a certain narrative they want to pursue doesn't it ?‍♀️

I did notice that which seemed a contradiction... I think though what he meant was some players didn't deserve to start and he gave them a chance but perhaps nine changes was way too many. The thing is it was the effort... It really was a horrible performance. Perhaps on par with the Bournemouth one.
 

rez9000

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Feb 8, 2007
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I'm not saying this is what happened, just posing it as a possibility, but in the same way that we saw a group game in the Europa as a potential free hit, what's to say that Jose didn't either and used the fact that we were playing badly to address other issues around the squad?

What I'll say is this: none of the players last night in the first half looked likely to 'leave it all on the pitch' (apart from maybe Vini and you can't count Lloris because he's a goalkeeper). Dele, to my mind, looked to be phoning it in; GLC was off the pace (forgivable because he's only just coming back from injury); Bergwijn looked lost, bereft of confidence and pudgy. Contrast that with Lamela, Lucas and PEH. They tried, they worked. Badly. But still.

So, seeing his players all wandering around the pitch, no bite, no threat, is it outside the realms of possibility that he thought it a good opportunity to basically say, 'if you don't put the effort in, you don't have my trust in games.'? Even though they didn't play well, every player he brought on at least showed effort. They didn't do it well, but they put in the effort.

Every football manager worth their salt considers all aspects of their decisions. No matter how many times they say, 'we're taking it one game at a time', they're all thinking about the long-term view. And Jose in particular has built a reputation for seeing many steps ahead.

We've had the perfect demonstration of that with the way he managed the four games in a week period and the way he predicted that Burnley would be a game of attrition. This is a man who sees the overall picture. We don't. We see the game unfolding in front of us.

So, we can, in our infinite wisdom, make judgements about Jose being 'wrong' or 'right' but I trust that he is making his decisions based on his experience and his objectives and if he wants to make four substitutions at once, I trust that he's doing it for a specific reason.
 

Ionman34

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Jun 1, 2011
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Well if that is because of my post... Making a remark isn't always criticism but a point worthy to make.
It wasn't aimed at your post, more at the general reaction to what was, imo, an innocuous Instagram post by JM. I even got the "I reckon he'll be gone by Christmas " bollox from the gooners at work over it.

I'm just mystified by the reaction, it really is a nothing to see here post that's being blown out of proportion just because it's him.
 

Jamturk

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Aug 13, 2008
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4 Subs at half time is something I would expect from a few forum members on here not a World class manager.

9 changes, team doesn't click

Fucking ABC.
 

JCRD

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It wasn't aimed at your post, more at the general reaction to what was, imo, an innocuous Instagram post by JM. I even got the "I reckon he'll be gone by Christmas " bollox from the gooners at work over it.

I'm just mystified by the reaction, it really is a nothing to see here post that's being blown out of proportion just because it's him.

I guess its not really a normal thing for a manager to be on instagram, i cant recall any manager going on instagram or even social media in general. I read the other day that Klopp goes on it to spy on his players haha... i just think that a player could look at it and think God look at his miserable mug..

It can be blown out of proportion though...
 

Phomesy

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Aug 20, 2013
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Yeah, but again, I hope you don't take this amiss, the tone you used suggests that whatever the reason may or may not have been, it was invalid. But when one doesn't know what the reason is, can one really make a judgement as to its validity? Saying this is a forum doesn't really cover that, does it?

Is there a "tone" emoji on this forum that I'm missing?:cautious:
 

rez9000

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Feb 8, 2007
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4 Subs at half time is something I would expect from a few forum members on here not a World class manager.

9 changes, team doesn't click

Fucking ABC.
Well, I bow to the experience of a man who has won... sorry, how many professional football titles is it that you've won so far?
 

Phomesy

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Aug 20, 2013
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Isn't the worrying part not that Jose made four changes - but that the changes didn't actually work. If anything we got worse and coughed up more chances in the second half than in the first.

So when Jose says "now I know more about who to select" is he talking about those who didn't get the job done first half? Or those who didn't get the job done second half?

Or is his whole madcap scheme to have the entire squad asking the question :cautious:
 

thebenjamin

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Jul 1, 2008
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Completely agree.

Also think JM is completely wrong to come out against the squad players like that. It's far more difficult for 11 sqaud players to play as a team than for a few of them to step up into a settled first team.

In fact we were no better in the second half after the changes and were lucky not to lose the second half by 2 more goals! They missed two open goals and we barely had a shot.

I think it was the lack of effort that would've disturbed him. They were strolling around like the game was already won.
 

0-Tibsy-0

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Aug 13, 2012
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I'm really struggling to warm to Jose and still have huge reservations over his approach to certain players as well as his attacking tactics (or lack of them)
 

Phomesy

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Aug 20, 2013
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That wasn't actually the point, though, was it?

I take exception to your TONE, Sirrah!

Have at thee!

Sorry - what was the point? I was just tickled by the idea that you - or anyone - can discern "tone" on an internet forum. I would love too!
 

rez9000

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Feb 8, 2007
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I take exception to your TONE, Sirrah!

Have at thee!

Sorry - what was the point? I was just tickled by the idea that you - or anyone - can discern "tone" on an internet forum. I would love too!
Ah, zounds - thy hast pierced me!

I was just saying, as gently as I could (although I think I offended bubble even so), that there would have been reasons for Jose taking off (in this instance) Vinicius but that none of us can really say if its the right or wrong thing to do if we don't know why Jose did it.
 

Beni

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Mar 3, 2004
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I Have no problem with him posting on Social Media, like he did. He is doing it to change our mentality, where some players like to post stuff after a result which comes across that they're unaffected e.g. Michah Richards at Aston V buying a new car etc. It is one platform (Instagram, Twitter etc) that players understand and are familiar with, where he is hoping to express himself on their level, to change the way our players think. i.e. Here is me thinking about the game, and still sad about it an hour after the result / Please think about this, before you post, like, share, or advertise your sponsorship affiliations, which may come across as if the performance/result does not matter.
This is not just a Spurs thing, it is a modern day footballer thing. He alluded to this in an earlier in the week interview regarding Son on his World Class recognition, that it is crazy that some do not class him as such, due to his lack of publicising himself on Social Media.

As for blaming the players, he didn't. He refused to dig out individual performances like the reporters were goading him to do, and rather took the responsibility himself for picking the team he picked. He had full confidence that the players were good enough, and motivated enough, to take the opportunity with both hands to prove they were worthy of playing more regularly. They didn't. Hence the reason there can be no complaints, questions from reporters asking about this player or the next player, when last night was proof that needs no words or rationale, to be given to the reporters for next and upcoming selections.

I am with Jose, as per my opinion and reasons above. The players are responsible for wanting to change his mind that they deserve to be playing in the premiership or bigger games, rather than Europa etc. and given them ample chances. Some have taken them, a lot have not.
It is back to hard work on the training ground for these players, in order to be considered for another team/squad selection. No personnel vendettas, no personal attacks, just further reminders for players to look at themselves, how they conduct themselves, do they deserve to be playing, can they be doing better.
 
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King of Otters

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Jun 11, 2012
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I can't help but feel that he got it slightly wrong yesterday, not in his starting XI, but in his wholesale changes at HT and the comments after the game.

I don't think it's entirely fair to expect a cobbled together XI of half fit players who have barely played together to hit top gear within 45 minutes. The fact that we had the superstars out in the second half and still barely created a chance also suggests that the opposition were actually pretty decent.

On top of that, if the players who were hooked at HT weren't feeling bad enough about themselves, the post match comments and Instagram post will have left them in no doubt as to their place in the squad.

I think we saw a bit of the negative side of Mourinho yesterday - divisive and a bit petulant. Time will tell what sort of reaction it brings out of the squad.
 
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