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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

thekneaf

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Jan 18, 2011
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My confusion in all this is.....

When we sacked Poch, he was going on about needing a painful rebuild, he was clearly getting fed up and you could see that in his press conferences. Our form and play had become stale.

Now it appeared to me, that he was sacked because it was felt that he was underachieving with the squad and there were those who firmly believed that we just needed a winner who could push this squad over the line. Hence some excitement over Mourinho replacing Poch.

Mourinho himself was claiming he was excited with this squad and that he was refreshed and ready with a new brand of football.
It was music to levy's ears to hear a manager with Jose winning CV saying how great our squad is, when he had Poch bemoaning we needed investment. Jose was the cheaper option and Levy expected to see the trophies to compliment the world class stadium he has seen built.

So where are we today?

Mourinho hasn't given us a new brand of football, it's the same Mourinho and the football alongside the performances are painful to watch. Things could potentially change with some signings, but this points to the fact that our squad clearly wasn't underachieving and Poch was indeed correct in his assessment that we needed a rebuild.

So do we stick with Mourinho, give him a budget and hope we win a trophy, in the meantime putting up with the dire football that we now play?

I don't know the answer to that question, but there is growing unrest about where we are heading and i fear Mourinho needs a decent result or at least performance against Arsenal tomorrow or things will start to turn toxic.
To be honest, his comments before the CL final were almost a sacking offence. If you're managing a team, and you get to the very pinnacle of what you've been trying to achieve and then just before the crunch you start on about this maybe being the end of the line. Terrible management. Just do what Zidane did if you're so fed up. Win and drop the mic. Or lose and drop the mic. But before, keep your mouth shut and focus on getting your team ready.

Also a lot of the psychological preparation was completely idiotic. Basically telling players it's once in a lifetime, the walking on fire. It undermines the confidence that you need to get over the line.

I say this as someone who enjoyed the Poch years more than any other years of football in my life. I got it wrong. Hopefully he'll learn from that, as Klopp learned from all the near misses.
 

mr ashley

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Jan 27, 2011
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8,524
"Powerful people don't get criticised", Jose starting to lose his shit already. Reminds me of the "respect, respect, respect, media walk out". If we lose to Arsenal and play poorly i think he will be close to exploding again.
I thought that was a smart way of dealing with the second shit VAR decision in the last few games.
He didn’t lose his shit, he chose his words carefully, pointing out that the PGMOL don’t get scrutinised ( or don’t like scrutiny)
Who did you think he was referring to?
 

jay2040

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Aug 31, 2012
2,635
4,165
Problem here is. Jose has already had 8 months. Are we seeing enough of improvement to justify giving him until December next year? By that time if something haven’t dramatically improved we have just wasted another season.

It's not really 8 full months with the the CV stuff is it!
 

jay2040

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Aug 31, 2012
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The thought if going into next season with him fills me with dread. I dont want this anti football.

The only time I've ever not given a manager a chance was sherwood who I thought was a clown from the start and I get an even worse vibe than that.

Sherwood was a chancer who got on Levys good books. Mourinho obviously has a cv that's second to none but look at the way he handled the United job and see what's happening here. Its not the same manager.

I really want to go into next season with optimism. Not going to happen if he's still here.

Optimism is down to perspective as I do feel optimistic with Jose at the helm and you do not.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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I thought that was a smart way of dealing with the second shit VAR decision in the last few games.
He didn’t lose his shit, he chose his words carefully, pointing out that the PGMOL don’t get scrutinised ( or don’t like scrutiny)
Who did you think he was referring to?
He was referring to himself mate I thought ? Mabye I misinterpreted?
 

emiley heskey

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Jul 3, 2020
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"Powerful people don't get criticised", Jose starting to lose his shit already. Reminds me of the "respect, respect, respect, media walk out". If we lose to Arsenal and play poorly i think he will be close to exploding again.

What wrong did he tell exactly? It was perfectly correct in line with what var served us over the last couple of games ...
 

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
Nov 24, 2013
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"Powerful people don't get criticised", Jose starting to lose his shit already. Reminds me of the "respect, respect, respect, media walk out". If we lose to Arsenal and play poorly i think he will be close to exploding again.
In respect of him getting annoyed over VAR or refereeing decisions, is he any different to other managers? I’d rather he cared.
 

arunspurs

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Aug 31, 2012
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People having a go at Jose's defensive football or Anti-football, what's he supposed to do ????

The problems he has had in his tenure & the playing squad :
  1. His first choice RB is Aurier, His first choice LB is Davies. There is no second choice RB & second choice LB (Sess is not a PL level LB). With lack of proper fullbacks, teams ability to transition from attack to defense & vice versa is adversely affected.
  2. When he took over, team were on a near relegation form in PL since 23Feb2019 (post Feb international break) - 24 games : 25 points. Team confidence rock bottom
  3. Clean sheets records abysmal. Goals conceded 1.6 a game since Feb2019 in PL
  4. When Jose started, we had so many injuries , I thought we were cursed - Davies, Lloris, Kane, Son, Sissoko, Lo Celso, Ndombele (unfit), Bergwijn.
  5. Post lockdown - we have been ok.
Style has often been questionably boring, but lets be honest - he has arrested the calamitous defending largely - except for that Sheffield game - where players did not simply apply themselves and wanted to defend.

For me, its clear that there are number of deadwoods waiting to be sold. Style may not be there but there were too many things wrong with this team that had to be corrected.

In summer window, we got to sell off the deadwood and few long term players who have been key in the past.

My Sell/Buy List :
One of Kabak/Gabriel/Mings/Sarr/Carlos/Dias (CB for Jan)
One of Atal/Semedo/Emerson/Bogle (main RB for Aurier)
Castagne (back up RB/LB for Sessegnon loan)
Milik (for Lucas)
Willian (for Lamela)
Højbjerg (DM)
Eze (CAM)

If Ndombele loaned out, someone like Coutinho swap.

Above list, if we get the free transfers across are not going to cost the team given we know ENIC isnt going to spend.

IMO, these signings will give enough for Jose to work with next season. But its upto baldy to back his manager and more importantly for club to make the correct signings and not sign more duds
 

Wheeler Dealer

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Jul 29, 2011
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"Powerful people don't get criticised", Jose starting to lose his shit already. Reminds me of the "respect, respect, respect, media walk out". If we lose to Arsenal and play poorly i think he will be close to exploding again.
He's been fortunate that the VAR decisons have moved the medias attention away from the unacceptable and turgid performances the team have put in. If there were no VAR gaffs to discuss, then questions and concerns would have been directed to the things that matter, notably our piss poor football
 

slartibartfast

Grunge baby forever
Oct 21, 2012
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Its weird, I agree with nearly every post. I think everyone has made valid points.
We're in a shit place.
It's not all JMs fault.
The football is wank.
He still needs time.
He needs to be backed (wont happen).
Its good he rants at the media (something we have lacked since pre Martin Jol).
Klopp and Poch took a long while to sort shit out so he should be given the same courtesy.
We're probably gonna get bum raped tomorrow lol.
 

emiley heskey

Well-Known Member
Jul 3, 2020
1,121
1,832
People having a go at Jose's defensive football or Anti-football, what's he supposed to do ????

The problems he has had in his tenure & the playing squad :
  1. His first choice RB is Aurier, His first choice LB is Davies. There is no second choice RB & second choice LB (Sess is not a PL level LB). With lack of proper fullbacks, teams ability to transition from attack to defense & vice versa is adversely affected.
  2. When he took over, team were on a near relegation form in PL since 23Feb2019 (post Feb international break) - 24 games : 25 points. Team confidence rock bottom
  3. Clean sheets records abysmal. Goals conceded 1.6 a game since Feb2019 in PL
  4. When Jose started, we had so many injuries , I thought we were cursed - Davies, Lloris, Kane, Son, Sissoko, Lo Celso, Ndombele (unfit), Bergwijn.
  5. Post lockdown - we have been ok.
Style has often been questionably boring, but lets be honest - he has arrested the calamitous defending largely - except for that Sheffield game - where players did not simply apply themselves and wanted to defend.

For me, its clear that there are number of deadwoods waiting to be sold. Style may not be there but there were too many things wrong with this team that had to be corrected.

In summer window, we got to sell off the deadwood and few long term players who have been key in the past.

My Sell/Buy List :
One of Kabak/Gabriel/Mings/Sarr/Carlos/Dias (CB for Jan)
One of Atal/Semedo/Emerson/Bogle (main RB for Aurier)
Castagne (back up RB/LB for Sessegnon loan)
Milik (for Lucas)
Willian (for Lamela)
Højbjerg (DM)
Eze (CAM)

If Ndombele loaned out, someone like Coutinho swap.

Above list, if we get the free transfers across are not going to cost the team given we know ENIC isnt going to spend.

IMO, these signings will give enough for Jose to work with next season. But its upto baldy to back his manager and more importantly for club to make the correct signings and not sign more duds

I think Jan's replacement is Eric Dier and Foyth's replacement in Tanganga ...I have a feeling we wont spend money on Cb in this term ... Rather we will mainly focus on RB, DM, Back up Striker and another attacker one or two ...
 

Grapo2001

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Jul 26, 2011
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He's been fortunate that the VAR decisons have moved the medias attention away from the unacceptable and turgid performances the team have put in. If there were no VAR gaffs to discuss, then questions and concerns would have been directed to the things that matter, notably our piss poor football

Whilst I agree we stink but we can't ignore VAR. We should have got 3 points against United (wasn't a penalty for foul on Pogba) and against Southampton (should have been a penalty for Kane) and the VAR decision in the Sheffield United game changed the game so who knows what the result would have been there.
 

arunspurs

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Aug 31, 2012
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I think Jan's replacement is Eric Dier and Foyth's replacement in Tanganga ...I have a feeling we wont spend money on Cb in this term ... Rather we will mainly focus on RB, DM, Back up Striker and another attacker one or two ...

I am quite certain we will bring in another CB - I don't think he is convinced of Sanchez either. Given he is not 100% starting Toby as well, I believe Jose will make atleast 1 CB. He has done so many experimentation in his time, I dont think he has settled one yet let alone 2 CBs.
 

agrdavidsfan

Ledley's Knee!
Aug 25, 2005
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The way I am looking at it spurs have been part of my life from 29 years and tomorrow and Thursday we’re the first two times in my life I genuinely didn’t care anymore because it wasn’t bringing me enjoyment at all.

In fact Thursday I spent most of the game just resting in bed. I don’t care if it’s levy’s fault and I don’t care if it’s Jose’s fault it’s simple these players don’t go from one of the best attacking teams in the league to this scared to make a mistake over coached cones over night.

Jose is already coming out with excuses and I have serious doubts on whether he cares about Tottenham at all in fact it was just the perfect job for him close to his home crazy wages and easy task with the excuses all lined up as the fans were already calling for the tight ass chairman to fuck off.

he knows if it doesn’t work here he’s got all the excuses “Daniel levy is impossible” he knows the fans would buy it as would everyone else.

But the thing that’s bugging me most is the football ATTRACTIVE FOOTBALL is in this clubs DNA the Tottenham way of doing things is the most important aspect to the club.

we were promised this new José would bring attacking football a new high tempo new style.....we were promised this is what levy required and look at it....it’s the worst football I have seen a team play in my lifetime even stokes tony pulis were more adventurous than us!.

I don’t give a fuck about if he hasn’t got the players and I don’t give a fuck if we lose every game 4-0 until the end of the season if we actually go out there and have a go at teams what I can’t stand or I can’t support is a team of 11 players who are all shackled and chained and not allowed to express themselves and I do not care what even the biggest of levy haters says levy is not responsible for what goes on at training José is he briefs these players and he tells them what to do.

I do not buy the players either are not carrying out the tactical plan as you tell me....do you honestly think sonny,Kane,Lo celso,Winks,Sissoko,moura,Bergwijn all want to play in a system where they defend and hope for lucky breaks?
They are being instructed to play like this and it’s simple it’s not good enough.

In fact it’s a joke that he is meant to be one of the greatest managers ever and his only plan is park the bus ? it’s hilarious we could have employed Harry Redknapp again and I promise you the results would be x 10 better in fact I am 100% sure even AVB would get more out of this team.




We lose tomorrow or we play in this shitty tactical plan of his and he can leave fuck wasting money on buying his seasoned experienced pros on big wages on short term contracts that we won’t be able to shift when he gets sacked by November.

I can see Jose’s transfer targets now

Willian - 3 year contract
Godin - 2 year contract
Matuidi - 3 year contract

then Jose fucks off in 6 months and leaves us with 3 players over the age of 32 with high wages that prevents us doing a total rebuild with younger players and a better manager.

It will be exactly where we were back in the day’s when we had sherwood,poyet,ferdinand,sheringham,ziege,leonhardsen

Instead I think we go back to plan z we go for the total rebuild and we entrust a manager that’s married to our values not one that is against everything Tottenham stands for.

I can handle a 3 year project where

A) we play football
B) we sign young attacking players
C) We revamp our scouting methods and employ a director of football - levy steps away from transfers and just allocates a budget
 
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Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
Nov 24, 2013
25,351
38,294
The way I am looking at it spurs have been part of my life from 29 years and tomorrow and Thursday we’re the first two times in my life I genuinely didn’t care anymore because it wasn’t bringing me enjoyment at all.

In fact Thursday I spent most of the game just resting in bed. I don’t care if it’s levy’s fault and I don’t care if it’s Jose’s fault it’s simple these players don’t go from one of the best attacking teams in the league to this scared to make a mistake over coached cones over night.

Jose is already coming out with excuses and I have serious doubts on whether he cares about Tottenham at all in fact it was just the perfect job for him close to his home crazy wages and easy task with the excuses all lined up as the fans were already calling for the tight ass chairman to fuck off.

he knows if it doesn’t work here he’s got all the excuses “Daniel levy is impossible” he knows the fans would buy it as would everyone else.

But the thing that’s bugging me most is the football ATTRACTIVE FOOTBALL is in this clubs DNA the Tottenham way of doing things is the most important aspect to the club.

we were promised this new José would bring attacking football a new high tempo new style.....we were promised this is what levy required and look at it....it’s the worst football I have seen a team play in my lifetime even stokes tony pulis were more adventurous than us!.

I don’t give a fuck about if he hasn’t got the players and I don’t give a fuck if we lose every game 4-0 until the end of the season if we actually go out there and have a go at teams what I can’t stand or I can’t support is a team of 11 players who are all shackled and chained and not allowed to express themselves and I do not care what even the biggest of levy haters says levy is not responsible for what goes on at training José is he briefs these players and he tells them what to do.

I do not buy the players either are not carrying out the tactical plan as you tell me....do you honestly think sonny,Kane,Lo celso,Winks,Sissoko,moura,Bergwijn all want to play in a system where they defend and hope for lucky breaks?
They are being instructed to play like this and it’s simple it’s not good enough.

In fact it’s a joke that he is meant to be one of the greatest managers ever and his only plan is park the bus ? it’s hilarious we could have employed Harry Redknapp again and I promise you the results would be x 10 better in fact I am 100% sure even AVB would get more out of this team.




We lose tomorrow or we play in this shitty tactical plan of his and he can leave fuck wasting money on buying his seasoned experienced pros on big wages on short term contracts that we won’t be able to shift when he gets sacked by November.

I can see Jose’s transfer targets now

Willian - 3 year contract
Godin - 2 year contract
Matuidi - 3 year contract

then Jose fucks off in 6 months and leaves us with 3 players over the age of 32 with high wages that prevents us doing a total rebuild with younger players and a better manager.

It will be exactly where we were back in the day’s when we had sherwood,poyet,ferdinand,sheringham,ziege,leonhardsen

Instead I think we go back to plan z we go for the total rebuild and we entrust a manager that’s married to our values not one that is against everything Tottenham stands for.

I can handle a 3 year project where

A) we play football
B) we sign young attacking players
C) We revamp our
Did you get distracted at C)?
 
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I love how we're bringing in all these old players ... How many have we actually been linked with?
 

arunspurs

Well-Known Member
Aug 31, 2012
8,807
35,543
The way I am looking at it spurs have been part of my life from 29 years and tomorrow and Thursday we’re the first two times in my life I genuinely didn’t care anymore because it wasn’t bringing me enjoyment at all.

In fact Thursday I spent most of the game just resting in bed. I don’t care if it’s levy’s fault and I don’t care if it’s Jose’s fault it’s simple these players don’t go from one of the best attacking teams in the league to this scared to make a mistake over coached cones over night.

Jose is already coming out with excuses and I have serious doubts on whether he cares about Tottenham at all in fact it was just the perfect job for him close to his home crazy wages and easy task with the excuses all lined up as the fans were already calling for the tight ass chairman to fuck off.

he knows if it doesn’t work here he’s got all the excuses “Daniel levy is impossible” he knows the fans would buy it as would everyone else.

But the thing that’s bugging me most is the football ATTRACTIVE FOOTBALL is in this clubs DNA the Tottenham way of doing things is the most important aspect to the club.

we were promised this new José would bring attacking football a new high tempo new style.....we were promised this is what levy required and look at it....it’s the worst football I have seen a team play in my lifetime even stokes tony pulis were more adventurous than us!.

I don’t give a fuck about if he hasn’t got the players and I don’t give a fuck if we lose every game 4-0 until the end of the season if we actually go out there and have a go at teams what I can’t stand or I can’t support is a team of 11 players who are all shackled and chained and not allowed to express themselves and I do not care what even the biggest of levy haters says levy is not responsible for what goes on at training José is he briefs these players and he tells them what to do.

I do not buy the players either are not carrying out the tactical plan as you tell me....do you honestly think sonny,Kane,Lo celso,Winks,Sissoko,moura,Bergwijn all want to play in a system where they defend and hope for lucky breaks?
They are being instructed to play like this and it’s simple it’s not good enough.

In fact it’s a joke that he is meant to be one of the greatest managers ever and his only plan is park the bus ? it’s hilarious we could have employed Harry Redknapp again and I promise you the results would be x 10 better in fact I am 100% sure even AVB would get more out of this team.




We lose tomorrow or we play in this shitty tactical plan of his and he can leave fuck wasting money on buying his seasoned experienced pros on big wages on short term contracts that we won’t be able to shift when he gets sacked by November.

I can see Jose’s transfer targets now

Willian - 3 year contract
Godin - 2 year contract
Matuidi - 3 year contract

then Jose fucks off in 6 months and leaves us with 3 players over the age of 32 with high wages that prevents us doing a total rebuild with younger players and a better manager.

It will be exactly where we were back in the day’s when we had sherwood,poyet,ferdinand,sheringham,ziege,leonhardsen

Instead I think we go back to plan z we go for the total rebuild and we entrust a manager that’s married to our values not one that is against everything Tottenham stands for.

I can handle a 3 year project where

A) we play football
B) we sign young attacking players
C) We revamp our scouting methods and employ a director of football - levy steps away from transfers and just allocates a budget


I could not disagree more with this opinion.
Same attacking players you quote had been playing in relegation form in PL since Feb 2019. Its a fact. I am not saying they cant play attacking football. But you cant go into that mode, when you are conceding nearly 2 a game. Without addressing elephant in the room, our defending, you cannot make this team play attacking football.
Jose's first 7 games for us -we did score 21 goals+. But we kept conceding as well.
With more injuries piling, with no strike force in Feb-March, Jose went to even more of a defensive lineup
Post-Lockdown - yes football has not been great - if things had gone our way interms of ref decisions, we could have had 4-5 more points from United, Sheffield & Everton.

We brought in Bergwijn in winter window - so there is no evidence that Levy is allowing Jose to bring in old guard.
But then, if we do get Willian on a free - even at 31, I would happily take him - given he is in his best form ever and is miles ahead of what we have in Lamela.

Without backing Jose atleast for 2 more windows, trying to take him down is counter productive - we wont go anywhere.
 
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