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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

teok

Well-Known Member
Aug 11, 2011
10,836
33,607
Read my first paragraph properly, I said he is too blame, but the players are the main fault here.

A man with the resume he has cannot be the reason why we have played like shit for the past 2 years, he's only been in the post a couple months anyway. He has literally walked into a shitshow club and then the entire world fell into a shitshow at the same time. I do understand it is his job to fix these kind of problems and to iron out the mistakes, but he needs time to do that. And proper time, a proper preseason and some proper recruitment because we desperately need it.

You cannot call a woodworker shit when you haven't provided him with all the tools to do the job properly. Only after you've provided everything necessary can you criticize the craftsmanship.

He won't get the "proper recruitment". This is why so many of us said he was the wrong manager for us right from the start.

At a utd/chelsea those clubs can financially absorb him wrecking relationships with players because they can just toss them out and get more in. We can't afford to have him do this with players we have invested lots of money in.

Once things start to go really wrong he just starts burning every thing to get himself sacked. We need to be really worried about the long term damage he will do.
 

sidford

Well-Known Member
Oct 20, 2003
11,324
29,603
Are people able to change their vote on this one? Could of sworn I was in the minority of 7.7% but now it's 9%.

Unfortunately it appears that all the concerns a lot of people had with this appointment are proving correct. Going to be a train wreck when we do try to get rid of him because he's an expert at ensuring he's sacked when things go that badly and Levy will try everything to avoid sacking him.
 

shelfmonkey

Weird is different, different is interesting.
Mar 21, 2007
6,690
8,040
So now every time our team drops points it's going to be because our team doesn't want to play for the manager? There's been absolutely zero evidence this is the case.

Maybe our team is just not good enough at the moment to pick up 3 points every match.

The thing is that in the past the team has proved to be good enough, even with the loss of Eriksen it should still be good enough.
 

Wheeler Dealer

Well-Known Member
Jul 29, 2011
6,863
12,282
So now every time our team drops points it's going to be because our team doesn't want to play for the manager? There's been absolutely zero evidence this is the case.

Maybe our team is just not good enough at the moment to pick up 3 points every match.
No shots on target v Bournemouth must have a little to do with how we are set up, and the manager has some responsibility for this along with squeezing every drop of creativity from a forlorn group of players
 

thePessimist

Well-Known Member
Jul 4, 2012
1,261
3,344
Levy must've known what type of manager Mourinho is, so it makes you wonder why he hired him in the first place!
I suspect he did have a plan to back him to some degree, but with everything that’s happened since it seems unlikely we will spend now. We’re stuck and it all comes down to baldy’s mismanagement for years
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

Well-Known Member
Jul 10, 2008
15,980
48,499
We had the exact same problems under Poch. Pick the ball up, pass out wide, hope for a decent cross and expect Kane or Son to score from it. We have not played through the middle or scored from range or had some nice passing goals in 2 years.

Mourinho has literally been here for a few months and it's his fault these players have no creativity? I don't think he has gone out of his way to use the same boring tactic game after game after game, I think it is a pattern of play we get stuck into because its all the players have done for so long.

He does set us up defensively but I really doubt he has said: Get ball to Aurier, Aurier cross, Kane score. It's so rudimentary and cave man like for a man who has a lot of tactical nuance. Anybody who thinks Jose only knows how to defend needs to seriously look at his resume and previous attacking play. He definitely does not rely on individual brilliance.

I disagree.We tailed off towards the end of Poch’s reign due to confidence and squad issues but our performances were never as stale and negative shit I’ve seen under Mourinho.

With Poch I could still see attacking patterns of play and an idea of how we were trying to create chances. It’s just that towards the end confidence was low so we didn’t finish chances of lost the ball in dangerous areas. Under Mourinho our only tactic is bus park and then run brainlessly towards the opposition goal into traffic when they make a mistake. Occasionally we work Aurier into space and he fucks up a cross. It’s so fucking depressing.

Mourinho’s tactics are based around top level players taking responsibility for creating chances based on the oppositions mistakes. Rather than coaching collective patterns of attacking play like most top level sides. Therefore I just don’t see it improving as we’re never going to have the level of player that Mourinho requires.
 
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JUSTINSIGNAL

Well-Known Member
Jul 10, 2008
15,980
48,499
I suspect he did have a plan to back him to some degree, but with everything that’s happened since it seems unlikely we will spend now. We’re stuck and it all comes down to baldy’s mismanagement for years

‘Mismanagement’ ?

please tell me what other chairman has provided a world class training centre and stadium through ‘mismanagement’ ?
 

Gassin's finest

C'est diabolique
May 12, 2010
37,355
87,824
So now every time our team drops points it's going to be because our team doesn't want to play for the manager? There's been absolutely zero evidence this is the case.

Maybe our team is just not good enough at the moment to pick up 3 points every match.
I think its more the manner of the performances that are evident of this, rather than just the results. On the latter basis, we did better in this fixture than last season, where we got beat 1-0 and had Son sent off.

Of course, our team has radically declined as well. Losing the indefatigable wing backs, dominating double pivot, and creative fantasita will do that to any team. But effort and adventure doesn't necessarily correlate with quality, and I'm seeing nothing of either.
 

enfieldyid

Active Member
Sep 22, 2004
63
164
I never wanted Mourinho, he always seemed the wrong man to me, but I did not expect the ghost that we got. Mourinho seems to have no passion anymore.

I always thought his time at Manchester United were quite sad with him living out of a hotel, then he did a similar thing in lockdown where he lived with his staff which I found weird.

I am making a conjecture but I think Mourinho is struggling and needs to step away from football for a while. I think the last 3 now 4 jobs have taken their toll on him and thats what we got as our manager.
 

PeeEyeEmPee

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Aug 31, 2012
1,925
3,125
See now there's a 'be careful what you wish for' that I can get on board with. SC was virtually backlogged with people calling for Pochettino to be sacked, now its like nobody will look you in the eye and admit to wanting him gone :D
I 100% wanted him gone. Mourinho being mind-numbingly awful doesn’t make that the wrong decision IMO.
 

SPURSLIFE

Well-Known Member
Jul 21, 2011
1,578
2,132
He won't get the "proper recruitment". This is why so many of us said he was the wrong manager for us right from the start.

At a utd/chelsea those clubs can financially absorb him wrecking relationships with players because they can just toss them out and get more in. We can't afford to have him do this with players we have invested lots of money in.

Once things start to go really wrong he just starts burning every thing to get himself sacked. We need to be really worried about the long term damage he will do.
I'm not a fan of the present day Mourinho but the damage to this team was not his fault (although his tactics and selections haven't helped) or Poch they are of course Levy's short sightedness and lack of support when the squad needed it.
If we end up a middle table team for the foreseeable future the finger can only point to him and Lewis.
We've always been considered a soft touch and for a while I thought we had got rid of that tag but worse than that we will now become a joke with arguably the best stadium in the World and no European football. He isn't going to spend big for next year I think we all know that it will be a few loans and older players on their way out any way even if he surprised us all and pushed the boat out what top player would come to a club with no CL football. Then of course there is the bigger problem of keeping our best players of which in my opinion there are only 3 Kane, Son and Lo Celso.
 

Dov67

Well-Known Member
Jul 1, 2005
3,318
10,212
funny how 10 years ago i would have sold my grandmother to have Jose as our manager.

He was gold dust, a caste iron guarantee of trophies and success.

I thought it ridiculous that you could pay £25m for a player that may or may not work when you could give £25m to Jose to come and win us stuff guaranteed.

WTF happened??
 

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
Nov 24, 2013
25,351
38,294
funny how 10 years ago i would have sold my grandmother to have Jose as our manager.

He was gold dust, a caste iron guarantee of trophies and success.

I thought it ridiculous that you could pay £25m for a player that may or may not work when you could give £25m to Jose to come and win us stuff guaranteed.

WTF happened??
Partly because managers were given more time when he was starting out, partly because he was given money and allowed to bring in who he wanted. More minimal football can still be effective - look at Ranieri at Leicester.
 

Dougal

Staff
Jun 4, 2004
60,346
129,922
See now there's a 'be careful what you wish for' that I can get on board with. SC was virtually backlogged with people calling for Pochettino to be sacked, now its like nobody will look you in the eye and admit to wanting him gone :D
It was about 50/50 at the time and if anything it was still leaning in Poch’s favour. But yes, a lot of people bought into the Mourinho Trophy Guarantee. Who are we to say it won’t still happen? The only thing going against it is every shred of evidence.
 
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