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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

JCRD

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Aug 10, 2018
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Plenty disagreed with this. Nobody seems to want to explain why. Doesn't Jose deserve a summer window and a pre season? Weren't our performances shite from the beginning of the season under Poch?


I didnt disagree with it or agree but i do disagree haha..

Would you really want Jose to go out and spend x amount on players to fit his dull unimaginative tactics so that if and when he goes by Christmas we get another coach in with more invention and innovation who cant use those players?

As for Poch, Jose has been bought it to turn things around not carry them on. If we are blaming the players suggesting that the squad is stale and also blaming Levy for that - then where does Poch fit into this? and then was it wrong for Poch to go if we are sayign the reasons are out of his hands so to speak?

By the way, as much as id love Poch back id equally love someone like Nagelsmann and would bring him in in a heartbeat... thsi isnt about Poch as such but im just trying to find why we got Jose in in the first place if we are now saying its the players and Enic/Levy?

I like Jose but my God this football is fucking dull and unimaginative. It is just mechanical shite.
 

ILS

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Jun 21, 2008
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Again though, why are they playing badly?

Yes it was going downhill under Poch, and now we've hired a guy that is finished.

These players dont play as bad as this for their national teams.

Nobody can tell me that Lloris, Kane, Son, Lo Celso, Ndombele, Toby and Verts are average players.
Apart from the last 8 of a World Cup or European Championship the standard of International football is utter shite.

Most of the top players in the big leagues are from about 8-10 different countries, so the majority of teams they are playing against are not a very good standard.

I remember when people used to talk about how Eriksen ripped it up for Denmark against teams full of Championship players.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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I get that Levy is to blame as much (and probably more) than anyone else. But managing a team uncapabale of getting a single shot on goal against a Bournemouth team that has had no clean sheets in the PL since november is not a directors fault. Yes, there is much to be learned when it comes to the total managing of a football club - ownership, business modell and leadership, but I can't see how this is applicable to this evenings shitshow. This is down to the manager. Even a club owned by Idar Vollvik (feel free to google) should be beating Bournemouth with this squad.
Oh really did Jose just hire himself then? And did the squad just turn up themselves to play for spurs. Anyone who by now can’t see that the buck stops with Levy and how he has poorly run the football side of the club needs to have a long hard look in the mirror.
 

yankspurs

Enic Out
Aug 22, 2013
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Lets be honest. This all goes back to ENIC's self imposed 18 month transfer ban. Not Poch's fault. Not Jose's fault. We all knew deep down it would set us back and lead to a few very painful years. And we all also know deep down ENIC will not do what it required to bring us out of this mess they've left us in.
 

Oh Teddy Teddy

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Aug 10, 2017
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Again though, why are they playing badly?

Yes it was going downhill under Poch, and now we've hired a guy that is finished.

These players dont play as bad as this for their national teams.

Nobody can tell me that Lloris, Kane, Son, Lo Celso, Ndombele, Toby and Verts are average players.

Tbf to my boy Hugo he’s the only one I think has been consistently good since Jose arrived...
 

ItsBoris

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Jan 18, 2011
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Think Willian would make a difference but I did see how Milik will make this team better.

Levy is supposedly wanting Eze, great, I'm glad he wants young players. But once again, it makes no sense to sign up young players if Jose ain't gunna trust them.

If you want to Hoover up young talent, go get Nagelsmann or Hassenhuttl or Nuno. Jose wants and needs big characters for this team, we won't do that. And it's becoming apparent every game that we really lack players with a mental edge.

We can't afford those types because they usually come with a high salary or age risk or hefty transfer fee.

Let's be honest. Levy played the cheap card. 15m a year for a coach who'll get these players winning again therefore he doesn't need to spend more on a rebuild.

Except Poch was right (although not totally blameless) and some of these players are just getting on the way.

Perhaps not, but let's see what happens in summer. One good thing about Jose is that he at least usually buys good players. Even if he doesn't succeed himself, he might put in place a team that his successor can turn into something good.
 

Hoddle&Waddle

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Nov 25, 2012
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Do people think its just the tactics or have the players out faith and stopped turning up?

They don't look a happy squad at all.
It's the tactics.

Genuinely think they are putting the effort in.

But you've got everybody so deep defending that when we do break Kane is isolated and deeper than he should be. Theres no fluidity or creative movement because the players are petrified of not being in position to track back.
 

Hoddle&Waddle

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Nov 25, 2012
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Perhaps not, but let's see what happens in summer. One good thing about Jose is that he at least usually buys good players. Even if he doesn't succeed himself, he might put in place a team that his successor can turn into something good.
Who did he buy that was good at United?
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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Are people entitled to call other posters idiots for having a different opinion?
Lets be honest. This all goes back to ENIC's self imposed 18 month transfer ban. Not Poch's fault. Not Jose's fault. We all knew deep down it would set us back and lead to a few very painful years. And we all also know deep down ENIC will not do what it required to bring us out of this mess they've left us in.
This all goes back to when they sacked Martin Jol mid game. They don’t have a clue how to make a football club successful on the pitch.
 
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Well, by the looks of the last five pages or so here, same in the match day thread and the same in most of the player threads that Jose isn't wanted at Spurs.

On that note, I'm out.

This feels like times that I've endured before and at least I had the drink and the nights out to numb it all. Fucked if I'm going to continue sitting here feeling like I'm odd for defending the current manager of Spurs.

Think folk are slightly deluding themselves putting lists of managers together they'd like to replace Mourinho considering who is still in charge off the field.

Could do with replacing a few of the playing staff as well but only when it fits certain narratives and certainly not when it might support the fact Mourinho is facing the same problems Poch did.
 

Hercules

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Jul 23, 2014
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My opinion is don’t matter who is manager! As long as ENIC run the club with their blueprint it will make no difference. We fell lucky with a Poch. And they took it for granted he could pull cats out the bag for eternity. Now when you hire someone like Josè on mega salary, if you are not going to back him with bucket loads of cash, and not that I think we should of. You then should not hire him. Not that I am saying ‘Jose out!’ I am saying ‘give him the money-which they won’t. Conclusion=Boredom#Boredom=Negative frustration, pointing fingers at Josè Mourinho.

I do not blame him! I blame you know who.
 
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überghost

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Aug 31, 2012
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Oh really did Jose just hire himself then? And did the squad just turn up themselves to play for spurs. Anyone who by now can’t see that the buck stops with Levy and how he has poorly run the football side of the club needs to have a long hard look in the mirror.

I get the notion, but has the players regressed so much in such a short time? It's not like We have gone 5 years with players aging and fading. Most of the important crew has entered their prime age when it comes to football. I am also sceptical to Levy running the show, but I think it is far too easy to blame the current show on him alone.
 

rabbikeane

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Mar 29, 2005
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Sherwood managed us for 22 league games

Sherwood Won 13 Drew 3 Lost 6 For 40 Against 30 Pts 42
Mourinho Won 10 Drew 5 Lost 7 For 34 Against 27 Pts 35


Sherwood 1.91 PPG
Poch 1.89 PPG
AVB 1.83 PPG
Redknapp 1.74 PPG
Mourinho 1.62 PPG

Just putting it out there

We didn't sack Poch for his good years, but the bad times. 22 final games as a comparison.

22 games - 6 wins - 7 draws - 9 losses
Pochettino 1.13 PPG

That's what Mourinho inherited result wise. From a burnt out, demoralized group of players. A good start leading into serious injury crisis before a 3 month break due to a pandemic.
Sherwood didn't take over a relegation threatened team, he took over a decent yet boring team that had a tendency to be trashed by the best teams.

That said football isn't chess, results don't come from managers moving their players around. It comes first of all from the quality and form of the players themselves. And we got a job to do there.

There's not too much Mourinho could have done so far, and the health status of our squad is first of all down to Pochettino.
 

oskathegobshite

#Spursy
Jan 20, 2004
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All this talk about a terrible squad

I read on this very site when poch was under pressure that the squad was the third best behind pool and City.

Most of you said poch had lost the dressing Room, he was just a motivator who could no longer motivate, no ability for tactics.

That any decent manager would have this group flying!

What happened??

Jose himself basically said this to be fair
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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Perhaps not, but let's see what happens in summer. One good thing about Jose is that he at least usually buys good players. Even if he doesn't succeed himself, he might put in place a team that his successor can turn into something good.
That’s true to be fair he does usually buy half decent players. Apart from Fellini & Sanchez
 

Dougal

Staff
Jun 4, 2004
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Lets be honest. This all goes back to ENIC's self imposed 18 month transfer ban. Not Poch's fault. Not Jose's fault. Its Levy's and ol' Joe's. Plain and simple. We need a takeover.
I wish takeovers were as easy as the managerial circus. I’d get ‘Arry in to run the club until we found someone more suitable. Sure, we’d go bust, but there’d be more people able to afford us. As it is, the whole ENIC Out movement is useless without telling us who can come in.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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I get the notion, but has the players regressed so much in such a short time? It's not like We have gone 5 years with players aging and fading. Most of the important crew has entered their prime age when it comes to football. I am also sceptical to Levy running the show, but I think it is far too easy to blame the current show on him alone.
It’s not on him alone it’s a combo of him and Jose (who he hired) so yea it’s all levy.
 

SpartanSpur

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Jan 27, 2011
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All this talk about a terrible squad

I read on this very site when poch was under pressure that the squad was the third best behind pool and City.

Most of you said poch had lost the dressing Room, he was just a motivator who could no longer motivate, no ability for tactics.

That any decent manager would have this group flying!

What happened??

Poch knew these players were done mentally and physically, the problem is that was because he was broken mentally too.

From the outside, or even Levy's position that is much harder to tell.

In hindsight it might have been worth getting a caretaker in, at this point we may have considered a refreshed Poch to lead the now obvious rebuild if there were no better options for either party.
 
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fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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I wish takeovers were as easy as the managerial circus. I’d get ‘Arry in to run the club until we found someone more suitable. Sure, we’d go bust, but there’d be more people able to afford us. As it is, the whole ENIC Out movement is useless without telling us who can come in.
Get the saudi’s to buy us instead of Newcastle and then poch can come
Back :)
 
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