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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426
May 17, 2018
11,872
47,993
The difference with us though is maybe that Levy is too hands-on and reluctant to cede control anymore. He’s been on the throne a long time and doesn’t seem to delegate well these days.

Only recently - because Poch seemed to want it that way. Didn't want to have someone else in charge of transfers (or at least 'between'). When Baldini was here he was obviously playing a part, as did/does Pleat. As did Mitchell, I expect. Hence why he went when Poch complained about the set up.



On the general theme, pretty much every top-club manager will say exactly the same thing - they don't have any say in contracts or transfers. That's how it is - we're not a special case.

As Redknapp and Fergie have said before, when the money was smaller and more 'manageable', the clubs were happy for the manager to also do all the negotiation. As it is now, all transfers are pretty much £10m+ in contracts, never mind fees. There isn't a single self-respecting business out there of that financial size who would let these short-term managerial guys make decisions of that scale. Redknapp, for starters, has had a colourful history of being persuaded by financial incentives when it comes to transfers.

I can't even pass this off as opinion - it's just not possible that the financial scales would allow it to be any other way. The buck will always stop with the CEO or chairman tbh.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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I think you mean business people making business decisions, the football part is secondary to the multi national entertainment group.
Levy is a businessman not a football man, he has far too much influence over which players we sign and sell. Sure he will need to negotiate the breakdown of the financials Of deals but he takes too long doing this and puts people’s noses out of joint and has too much influence over which players we sign and don’t sign, I genuinely think from hearing many of his interviews and other players and managers comments that he thinks he knows about football it’s hilarious he’s clueless on the football side.

"Pochetinno said at the end of July that the club ought to change his job title back to coach from manager as he was in the dark over transfer activity? “I am not in charge and I know nothing about the situation of my players,” Pochettino said. “Sell, buy players; sign contract, not sign contract – it is not in my hands. It is in the club’s hands and Daniel Levy’s hands.”"
 

olliec

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Jun 20, 2012
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All I hear from goons is haha we are above you when it’s out worse season ever. What about our season? Twats!
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Jul 10, 2008
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Levy is a businessman not a football man, he has far too much influence over which players we sign and sell. Sure he will need to negotiate the breakdown of the financials Of deals but he takes too long doing this and puts people’s noses out of joint and has too much influence over which players we sign and don’t sign, I genuinely think from hearing many of his interviews and other players and managers comments that he thinks he knows about football it’s hilarious he’s clueless on the football side.

"Pochetinno said at the end of July that the club ought to change his job title back to coach from manager as he was in the dark over transfer activity? “I am not in charge and I know nothing about the situation of my players,” Pochettino said. “Sell, buy players; sign contract, not sign contract – it is not in my hands. It is in the club’s hands and Daniel Levy’s hands.”"

Levy has been our chairman for what 18/19 years? I doubt he knows 'nothing'. You stick anyone in any job for that long and they will get a pretty good knowledge of all aspects of the role even if they have no interest in it to begin with. The fact he has been a spurs fan all his life means he must have some knowledge of football. It's not like he's just a businessman who only took an interest for his own vanity.

All clubs pretty much have similar structures these days with CEO/chairmans, transfer committees, scouting departments etc... I think fans are just focusing too much on Levy currently because we're going through a blip. Fact is this a blip was always coming at some point. All top 6 clubs have had one over the last few seasons when rebuilding squads.
 

spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
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The media have such a narrative around Mourinho. This morning’s papers are the perfect example. He says one thing and they twist the words to create headlines.
 

NEVILLEB

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Nov 6, 2006
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Levy has been our chairman for what 18/19 years? I doubt he knows 'nothing'. You stick anyone in any job for that long and they will get a pretty good knowledge of all aspects of the role even if they have no interest in it to begin with. The fact he has been a spurs fan all his life means he must have some knowledge of football. It's not like he's just a businessman who only took an interest for his own vanity.

All clubs pretty much have similar structures these days with CEO/chairmans, transfer committees, scouting departments etc... I think fans are just focusing too much on Levy currently because we're going through a blip. Fact is this a blip was always coming at some point. All top 6 clubs have had one over the last few seasons when rebuilding squads.

This is nonsense
 

DFF

YOLO, Daniel
May 17, 2005
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I mean, of course most teams have transfer committees or a DOF or some kind of multilayered decision making process. But I don’t remember too many PL managers making a point to say they’re not in control of or involved in transfers. We’ve now had two consecutive managers make a point to say that publicly, in the space of a year. That’s what’s not normal.
 

Japhet

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Aug 30, 2010
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Levy is a businessman not a football man, he has far too much influence over which players we sign and sell. Sure he will need to negotiate the breakdown of the financials Of deals but he takes too long doing this and puts people’s noses out of joint and has too much influence over which players we sign and don’t sign, I genuinely think from hearing many of his interviews and other players and managers comments that he thinks he knows about football it’s hilarious he’s clueless on the football side.

"Pochetinno said at the end of July that the club ought to change his job title back to coach from manager as he was in the dark over transfer activity? “I am not in charge and I know nothing about the situation of my players,” Pochettino said. “Sell, buy players; sign contract, not sign contract – it is not in my hands. It is in the club’s hands and Daniel Levy’s hands.”"

There is the occasional upside though. Saved us a shedload of cash on Saido Berahino though butting heads with Jeremy Peace.
 

Darrenh61

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May 14, 2018
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Levy in charge of transfers is ridiculous, of course he should control the budget but he is not a football expert and nor should we expect him to be? He is a business man in charge of a business asset. Just because you are a football club chairman shouldn’t make you the right person to choose who we should buy, sell or extend a contract.
If he will not sanction any manager having this authority there really should be a Dof experienced in spotting talent that can make it in the English premier league.
 

SecretLemonadeDrinker

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Jun 30, 2020
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This is nonsense

Could you elaborate, maybe?

Do you think Levy really knows nothing about football?

Do you think that Spurs’ transfer committee structure is so radically different from the way that most other clubs are set up to decide on transfers?

Do you disagree that a number of other top clubs have suffered blips over the past 5-10 years?
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Jul 10, 2008
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I mean, of course most teams have transfer committees or a DOF or some kind of multilayered decision making process. But I don’t remember too many PL managers making a point to say they’re not in control of or involved in transfers. We’ve now had two consecutive managers make a point to say that publicly, in the space of a year. That’s what’s not normal.

Here is more of what Jose said:

""We decide. We. I was saying the situation of Kyle Walker-Peters is not really about, 'I want him to stay'," he said.

"The player has a decision to make and maybe he wants to leave. Mr Levy is in control of the numbers and also has an important position to say, 'We sell or we don't sell, or for how much we sell for'.
"Steve Hitchen [Spurs' chief scout] also has a say in relation to he thinks we should do.
"It's something that we decide based on communication. The only thing that is clear about Kyle is that he is a good player."

I really don't see what is wrong there. EVERY manager would love to be in total control but that is not possible in modern football as things can change in a blink and it's not feasible for club to keep switching strategies
 

kendoddsdadsdogsdead

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Aug 29, 2011
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Could you elaborate, maybe?

Do you think Levy really knows nothing about football?

Do you think that Spurs’ transfer committee structure is so radically different from the way that most other clubs are set up to decide on transfers?

Do you disagree that a number of other top clubs have suffered blips over the past 5-10 years?

what makes you think he does know anything/much about football? Just because he’s sat there doesn’t mean he’s understanding what he’s watching. No doubt he has contacts in football and he understands aspects of being a football owner but in terms of knowledge of the game my guess would be he’s pretty limited. I mean how many times have we been close but he’s failed to see it.

When they first bought rangers there was the piece about him only getting into it because of the potential opportunity and growth, apparently no passion for the sport I think was the sentiment.
 
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