Jose Mourinho

[Metalhead]

I'm not surprised by the negative press. He is still carrying loads of baggage from his United days, which is still fresh in the minds of most Journo's and football people alike. With United being the biggest supported club in the land, the vast majority of fans were pleased to see the back of him, and this negative view has been transferred onto the media and other members of the general public who can get their voices heard. For Mourinho, and whatever the mitigating factors have been, he's done very little at Spurs so far to displace this negative perception many have of him..

He never settled at United. Big mistake living in a hotel - it always gave a temporary feel to the job.

 

[JollyHappy]

I'd love to know what Trippier meant when he said things had turned toxic behind the scenes. Whatever it was started around last Christmas just after our away win at Everton which was our last decent league performance and tied into Dembele leaving.

Anyone have any ideas what happened about that time?

 

[shelfboy68]

I'd love to know what Trippier meant when he said things had turned toxic behind the scenes. Whatever it was started around last Christmas just after our away win at Everton which was our last decent league performance and tied into Dembele leaving.

Anyone have any ideas what happened about that time?

It was a few weeks after that in February that the season league wise fell apart.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

What a nonsense article. Our "style" was dismantled when Dembele left. We've been turgid for at least 15 months. Yes, we have less possession now than under Poch, but we've been relying on magic from Kane and Son for years to cover up the lack of fluency in attack.

TBH, we haven’t had a ‘style’ since Redknapp’s old-fashioned 4-4-2. We’ve been a team of individuals, and an odd bunch of individuals at that. Back then we had Crouch and Lennon in the same side. We had VDV wandering around the park smoking a fag and drinking a pint before making a quality defence look like mugs. In an era of super-athletes we had THudd, Charlie and Niko - players that the Opta boys could have tracked with seismographs. We had BA-E, and I still miss him. We won fuck all, but I loved it.

We still seem like a team of individuals, but they aren’t as charismatic, and we don’t have any identifiable style now, nor any indication that Jose has the will or ability to install one. And we’re still winning fuck all.

I’m still not panicking, Jose deserves more time, but fuck me we’re hard to watch right now.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I'd love to know what Trippier meant when he said things had turned toxic behind the scenes. Whatever it was started around last Christmas just after our away win at Everton which was our last decent league performance and tied into Dembele leaving.

Anyone have any ideas what happened about that time?

Personally feel it was Burnley and Mike Dean when it properly went to shit, league wise. Dean marked Poch and Spurs card that day.

 

[S0S]

I'm not surprised by the negative press. He is still carrying loads of baggage from his United days, which is still fresh in the minds of most Journo's and football people alike. With United being the biggest supported club in the land, the vast majority of fans were pleased to see the back of him, and this negative view has been transferred onto the media and other members of the general public who can get their voices heard. For Mourinho, and whatever the mitigating factors have been, he's done very little at Spurs so far to displace this negative perception many have of him..

I don't pay a great deal of attention to non spurs related football news/press, so I concede to your probable greater knowledge on the subject

I am probably thinking mostly of his first round days at Chelsea when he was the special one and the press loved him

He did seem to be loved when he was doing a bit of punditry for Sky, I thought he'd get more of a free pass with the press

 

[WiganSpur]

I'd love to know what Trippier meant when he said things had turned toxic behind the scenes. Whatever it was started around last Christmas just after our away win at Everton which was our last decent league performance and tied into Dembele leaving.

Anyone have any ideas what happened about that time?

Imo, the cracks started to appear at the end of 17/18. Staleness started to creep in, and big players like Wanyama and Dembele were on their last legs. A couple of good performances aside we were largely pretty poor performance wise in the first half of 18/19. We were getting away with a lot of results big time until we eventually started buckling.

 

[spids]

I'm not surprised by the negative press. He is still carrying loads of baggage from his United days, which is still fresh in the minds of most Journo's and football people alike. With United being the biggest supported club in the land, the vast majority of fans were pleased to see the back of him, and this negative view has been transferred onto the media and other members of the general public who can get their voices heard.

Only the problems started quite a long time before United. They started in Madrid back in 2011/12 in his second season where he lost the dressing room and was the main cause of a toxic culture that enveloped the entire club. Then he did the same at Chelsea in his second stint, instant success but lost the dressing room in his second season 2014/15. Then again at Man U, a trophy first season, lost the dressing room and the fans the second season (2017/18). His 'special one' days were a very long time ago. I've always thought of managers enjoying a decade at the very top - with Fergie the only real exception. All the others Capello (1995 - 2005), Ancelotti (1999-2009), Cruyff (1985-1996), Wenger (1996-2008) who stayed about 10 years too long and should have left in 2008 after they'd had two years in their new stadium!), Lippi (1994-2004)... All of the great managers have 10-12 years at the very top and then slowly football evolves without them and they areleft with 10 years living of their reputation as they have to take on less attractive projects. Mourinho's period at the very top was 2002/3 - 2013/14.

Now he is here Mourinho does deserve a fair crack of the whip, and that means a full pre-season, Kane and Son fit and 3 or 4 of his own players to freshen up a very stale squad that lacks pace and athleticism. He can't be judged fairly until Xmas. But I don't think Levy had a squad overhaul in mind when he hired Mourinho to take us up that last 5%, and I suspect he was given the job as he told Levy he agreed with that assessment.

 

[slartibartfast]

Only the problems started quite a long time before United. They started in Madrid back in 2011/12 in his second season where he lost the dressing room and was the main cause of a toxic culture that enveloped the entire club. Then he did the same at Chelsea in his second stint, instant success but lost the dressing room in his second season 2014/15. Then again at Man U, a trophy first season, lost the dressing room and the fans the second season (2017/18). His 'special one' days were a very long time ago. I've always thought of managers enjoying a decade at the very top - with Fergie the only real exception. All the others Capello (1995 - 2005), Ancelotti (1999-2009), Cruyff (1985-1996), Wenger (1996-2008) who stayed about 10 years too long and should have left in 2008 after they'd had two years in their new stadium!), Lippi (1994-2004)... All of the great managers have 10-12 years at the very top and then slowly football evolves without them and they areleft with 10 years living of their reputation as they have to take on less attractive projects. Mourinho's period at the very top was 2002/3 - 2013/14.

Now he is here Mourinho does deserve a fair crack of the whip, and that means a full pre-season, Kane and Son fit and 3 or 4 of his own players to freshen up a very stale squad that lacks pace and athleticism. He can't be judged fairly until Xmas. But I don't think Levy had a squad overhaul in mind when he hired Mourinho to take us up that last 5%, and I suspect he was given the job as he told Levy he agreed with that assessment.

Does make me laugh how when people talk about JM, especially the media, it's like Chelsea downing tools and Man U fiasco never happened.
To be fair to the bloke this shit storm is not all his fault and if he isnt backed heavily I think it would be incredibly hard for anyone to get us back into the top 4.

 

[shelfboy68]

Does make me laugh how when people talk about JM, especially the media, it's like Chelsea downing tools and Man U fiasco never happened.
To be fair to the bloke this shit storm is not all his fault and if he isnt backed heavily I think it would be incredibly hard for anyone to get us back into the top 4.

I don't think we are getting back in the top four for a while there are better teams around now who are not in the mess we are.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

@arnoldlayne fucking hell mate, instead of spamming everything I've posted why not question why I posted what I posted? Bored on a Sunday night mate?

Fuck a duck.

 

[arnoldlayne]

@arnoldlayne fucking hell mate, instead of spamming everything I've posted why not question why I posted what I posted? Bored on a Sunday night mate?

Fuck a duck.

I expected this

Because you are just trolling people. And the only posts boring me are yours

Coming out with the "intellectual" mumbo jumbo and feeling, oh so clever, suggests that you've been bored for a very long time mate. It is very rare that I negative rep anybody, regardless of what they say.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I expected this

Because you are just trolling people. And the only posts boring me are yours

Coming out with the "intellectual" mumbo jumbo and feeling, oh so clever, suggests that you've been bored for a very long time mate. It is very rare that I negative rep anybody, regardless of what they say.

Just mine eh?

Intellectual mumbo jumbo offends you?

Be quicker to put me on ignore if I am honest.

To find something this personal on a forum of this magnitude about such a topic and then spam/take aim at a poster - bit weird.

Cheers for letting us know, but the grown up thing would probably be just to ignore rather than act like a 14 year old.

 

[Chirpystheman]

For me he gets until Xmas. After a full pre-season, with a fit squad, full of the players he identifies he needs to win things.

Not sure what he can win by Xmas. Thats a very tough criteria you have

 

[olliec]

Not really sure why the Bayern result is always used as a stick to beat Poch with. It was a dreadful result (but a freak one too), and, in context, we created a load of chances which we failed to convert whilst everything they tried ended up in the net. Once we were behind there was nothing to lose in chasing the game since it was a group stage match. I wish we could produce some of the attacking play we saw in that game under Mourinho even though we don't have anyone to apply the finishing touches.

What about the Brighton result?

 

[jay2040]

Not sure what he can win by Xmas. Thats a very tough criteria you have

Agree. Too many variables in play with the current climate and I don't think any judgement would be fair this season,apart from the results he managed with a healthy squad!

Also think he has received insufficient credit for the decline stopping when he came in.

 

[nedley]

What about the Brighton result?

Yep. The Brighton result was THE oneamd imo when Levy should have pulled the trigger.

He was wrong to wait longer.

 

[Chirpystheman]

I think the only thing we can judge by xmas is the style of play. For me i look at the results/performances from wheb he first came in and had some forwards. We were scoring goals and winning. The united game was full of errors defensively. First shouldnt have gone in and we got ourselves back into game and then gave away a penalty and united shut up shop. Maybe it was the pressure of the game and atnosphere around it but hard to read in to. We won a couple than the chelsea game came and we again made some errors gave away a pen on half time and went down to 10 men. Kane gsts injured. We go on a winning run again once we get son firing and then go within 1 point of 4th and we lose son. For me he demonstrated when he had functioning forwards we could win games. Liverpool at home was unlucky and we also had some bad decisions with players not being sent off when they should of. I think a lot have been overly critical and cant get over their dislike for him. We were in relegation form under poch make no mistake of that. People can say we wasnt 14 points from 12 games no away wins to a prem side in 2019 (fulham got relegated) that side was playing devoid of any system or confidence dread to think what he would have done with no kane or son.

Anyways this coronavirus im sure will be used as a stick to beat Jose with as because if the league resumes in late April/May im sure everyone will say why hasnt he sorted out a style of play with his fit squad. He needs 2/3 transfer windows. The team was booed off 4 months in to Poch reign and Klopp finished 8th in his first season. I bet youd have all wanted Klopp sacked if he was in charge of us. And look how both of them turned out. Keep calm and get behind the team.

 

[Japhet]

What about the Brighton result?

I was just talking about the Bayern result in isolation. It was a freak result in a game we had nothing to lose by chasing. I agree that the Brighton result was dreadful along with plenty of others though.

 

[Phomesy]

Yep. The Brighton result was THE oneamd imo when Levy should have pulled the trigger.

He was wrong to wait longer.

Got to remember that the Brighton game effectively started with our captain chucking the ball in his own net before injuring himself and being carried off the ground screaming screaming in agony the entire time.

If ever there was a "black swan" event to explain a result that Brighton game was it.