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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

homer hotspur

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Dec 7, 2014
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It’s on a knife edge with Jose,

if the players react to the criticism and buy into the philosophy and tactics then I trust he will rebuild us into contenders

If the players don’t buy in, stop playing for the manager and start looking for transfers then Levy will have a major decision to make especially if results don’t pick up

It’s not a great situation and fear the latter, let’s see how the next 9 games go
I've made this exact point previously.
Irrespective of whether or not Jose deserves the summer , next season etc etc, if there is a mass rejection of him from the squad he will be gone. DL will soon know whether his main players - Kane, son, dele , lo celso, N'Dombele (?) at al are on board or not.
My impression/feeling is they will not be , but we can't really know until stories start leaking out. Clearly, they know that the injuries have been the major factor but how do they feel about tactics and public comments .
I wouldn't be at all surprised if DL would be prepared to sell HK for a huge fee to fund the rebuild but he won't want this to be a summer of discontent.
 
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I've made this exact point previously.
Irrespective of whether or not Jose deserves the summer , next season etc etc, if there is a mass rejection of him from the squad he will be gone. DL will soon know whether his main players - Kane, son, dele , lo celso, N'Dombele (?) at al are on board or not.
My impression/feeling is they will not be , but we can't really know until stories start leaking out. Clearly, they know that the injuries have been the major factor but how do they feel about tactics and public comments .
I wouldn't be at all surprised if DL would be prepared to sell HK for a huge fee to fund the rebuild but he won't want this to be a summer of discontent.
How have you gotten that impression? This is purely conjecture and you're peddling it to create an angle (not sure why) It's just stirring a pot on and online forum.
 

TheHoddleWaddle

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Dec 13, 2013
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People keep saying this about the players not fighting or not trying.

It’s absolute bollocks.

I haven’t seen a single game where the players aren’t busting a gut. I think people are confused about ability and effort.

I can’t fault the players efforts so far under Mourinho. They’ve been more willing to run than under a Poch earlier this season. It’s their ability that’s the problem.
Yep. Of those available, they are mostly average footballers, (GLC aside).

I dont understand any of the critique at JM. It doesnt matter what formation, tactic or inspirational speech he gives, i dont think he currently has the tools to make it work. You cannot.magic quality or ability, coaching takes time.

Levy best be prepared for a busy end of season window, even with first choice players back, it's clear to me many of our current players won't.make.the grade.
 

spurs-r-us

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I thought Jose could come in and get a bit more out of ageing and demotivated but quality squad. As it turns out, this is not it. Our defence is shambolic. We have two senior pros and two good young players at centre back but we just can't keep goals out. None of our midfielders are offering any sort of protection for the back four. Winks is doing ok, Dier has one decent game in four, Sissoko being injured is a shame but he was in rather poor form, and I struggle to see the point of signing Gedson. Tidy little player, but this is not a squad that needed another tidy passing CM. Ndombele's fitness is a disaster. It will be him or Mourinho at the end of the season, let's be quite real here.

Lo Celso is carrying the side at the moment, Bergwijn was too before his injury. We're getting very, very little out of the attackers that currently are fit - Alli, Lamela and particularly Lucas. Sessegnon has zero confidence, despite the fact that a young, fast, goal scoring winger should be having a bucket load of faith shown in him given our situation. Our young striker, who is supposedly rather good but not quite ready yet, seems to be being used as an example for Jose about why he and only he knows best.

I know injuries to Kane and Son are a hammer blow, but the dreadful defence combined with a team drained of confidence is inexcusable when you consider the pedigree and paycheque of the manager. He used to be a master of us-against-the-world. Is Mourinho really the guy you want spending £200m to rebuild the squad in the summer? It wasn't meant to be a full rebuild yet.

Don't get me wrong: he's staying and he deserves to stay. We have made our bed and need to commit to this project. But its hard not to feel that we've spaffed this against the wall.
 

luptic

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Jul 21, 2008
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If the club doesn't take the hit now for one season, go all out to get back into CL for next season, they need to change their approach to signing players. They would need to adopt Leipzig approach, and fire Mourinho, who isn't cut for managing youth players nor developing them.
The clubs failing for me has been the identifying, purchasing and development of young players that have been key over the last 10 years.
 

homer hotspur

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Dec 7, 2014
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If the club doesn't take the hit now for one season, go all out to get back into CL for next season, they need to change their approach to signing players. They would need to adopt Leipzig approach, and fire Mourinho, who isn't cut for managing youth players nor developing them.
The clubs failing for me has been the identifying, purchasing and development of young players that have been key over the last 10 years.
Also, prioritise players who are already proven in the premier league over gamble on overseas signings
 

TheHoddleWaddle

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If the club doesn't take the hit now for one season, go all out to get back into CL for next season, they need to change their approach to signing players. They would need to adopt Leipzig approach, and fire Mourinho, who isn't cut for managing youth players nor developing them.
The clubs failing for me has been the identifying, purchasing and development of young players that have been key over the last 10 years.
The club has been inept at succession planning with the squad. Not just around young player development. The whole 'clever' approach Pochettino was made to go on about, was basically bargain basement shopping hoping to find a Ralph Lauren amongst the Primark.

It is rare for any youth product to end up in the first team and not put on loan and forgotten about. Jm does have success and experience with younger players, like young McTominay at United. JM has been quoted (paraphrased) that he looks for.more.than ability. He likes a.mental.maturity in his players, regardless of age and he clearly doesn't see it in some of those we currently have. He did.in Mctominay and a certain other player who happens to be one of the best. I'm confident that if a.youngster had the required attributes they would get game time under him. Nit everyone has the emotional maturity or winning mentality to succeed or cope with the pressure of that sort of exposure. Look at the personal comments in any football forum, I certainly would have struggled at 18 with that. Clearly Troy, for example, doesn't have the maturity at present. Theres no doubt in my mind many of the first teamers dont stack upto his standards either. Mentally as well as ability.

It's not JM who is to 'blame'. It is the clubs management of player succession and continual employment of average. JM needs to be supported to.sort this mess out.

Look to 3 years + ahead.
 

Rout-Ledge

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Jul 29, 2005
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If the club doesn't take the hit now for one season, go all out to get back into CL for next season, they need to change their approach to signing players. They would need to adopt Leipzig approach, and fire Mourinho, who isn't cut for managing youth players nor developing them.
The clubs failing for me has been the identifying, purchasing and development of young players that have been key over the last 10 years.

Correct. If the squad is really as terrible and broken as it looks, it will either require a phenomenal investment of money this summer, or we will need to go all in on a developing youth approach. Which would require a new manager.

Mourinho will not be able to make this squad competitive without a huge budget. Even then, I’m not convinced he’d able to do it.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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Do explain in our current condition what players could do everything you’ve asked for????
Completely get that it’s difficult mate the point is twofold.
1. why have we got ourselves into this state with the squad (that’s on Levy)
2. even when Jose has had son & Kane or exciting attacking options he has chosen for us to sit deep and hit long balls, how about try and set us up with an overload in midfield and dominate the ball given that winks lo celso Lucas dele lamela Etc are all good at 1-2’s and short sharp passes, instead we set up with a 5-2-3 and skip the midfield. It’s not 100% Jose’s fault at all... but the way he keeps setting us up with the type of players we have doesn’t suit us at all, it’s horrific to watch and not effective.
 

ackie

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I just want to ask how many here sincerely believe that our game plan would have been more positive and results would have been better if key players like Kane and Son was not injured?

Lets also be fair... Poch said that this squad needed changes and investments.

We've seen our defender regress, confused and lacklustre performance even from Poch days.

So how many truly believe that game plans and results would have been positive if those two specially were not injured?
 

parklane yid

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Aug 14, 2013
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I was initially so excited when mourinho was appointed, I felt we need a winner and mentality change at the club. But what worries me the most is I see no philosophy or style of play developing. I know any manager needs time and opportunity to have pre season and his own players but we change our formation and style every week. If u look at other managers such as Nuno, nagelsmann and rodgers you can see the way they want to play and they stick with a system. Could even say the same about Arteta. I really thought it was all about winning games even at the cost of a nice brand of football. But after being served up the awful football style we have in last 3 months and already losing our identity I would rather we went back to a young coach with new ideas
 

Nebby

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Dec 27, 2013
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I thought Jose could come in and get a bit more out of ageing and demotivated but quality squad. As it turns out, this is not it. Our defence is shambolic. We have two senior pros and two good young players at centre back but we just can't keep goals out. None of our midfielders are offering any sort of protection for the back four. Winks is doing ok, Dier has one decent game in four, Sissoko being injured is a shame but he was in rather poor form, and I struggle to see the point of signing Gedson. Tidy little player, but this is not a squad that needed another tidy passing CM. Ndombele's fitness is a disaster. It will be him or Mourinho at the end of the season, let's be quite real here.

Lo Celso is carrying the side at the moment, Bergwijn was too before his injury. We're getting very, very little out of the attackers that currently are fit - Alli, Lamela and particularly Lucas. Sessegnon has zero confidence, despite the fact that a young, fast, goal scoring winger should be having a bucket load of faith shown in him given our situation. Our young striker, who is supposedly rather good but not quite ready yet, seems to be being used as an example for Jose about why he and only he knows best.

I know injuries to Kane and Son are a hammer blow, but the dreadful defence combined with a team drained of confidence is inexcusable when you consider the pedigree and paycheque of the manager. He used to be a master of us-against-the-world. Is Mourinho really the guy you want spending £200m to rebuild the squad in the summer? It wasn't meant to be a full rebuild yet.

Don't get me wrong: he's staying and he deserves to stay. We have made our bed and need to commit to this project. But its hard not to feel that we've spaffed this against the wall.

Good post. Our fullbacks are poor, Sanchez doesn't seem to be improving (certainly not ready to lead the defensive line) and Toby and Jan now look very, very leggy. With should have sold those two and Eriksen the moment they stalled on signing new contracts.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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I just want to ask how many here sincerely believe that our game plan would have been more positive and results would have been better if key players like Kane and Son was not injured?

Lets also be fair... Poch said that this squad needed changes and investments.

We've seen our defender regress, confused and lacklustre performance even from Poch days.

So how many truly believe that game plans and results would have been positive if those two specially were not injured?
I think Jose May have tried out the 4-2-3-1 which he has said he’d like to play with us where Aurier overloads down the right the LB tucks in but tbh even when we played like that it wasn’t great. There were games against teams when we had son and Kane and we also set up very negatively. I just think that’s his football philosophy and it’s not going to change and I didn’t want to admit this or believe it could be the case before he took over but the signs are there that modern football has passed him by, not only is his style of play boring as it’s anti possession but it’s also less and less effective in the modern game.
 

jonnyrotten

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Aug 16, 2006
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Funny but not really true is it?

When Poch lost badly early doors people were at his throat.

When Poch lost even at our pomp - people said he wasn't a "winner".

Now those people have their "winner" and we are worse than ever.

And it's the way we are always losing that is a cause for concern.

Poch got sacked for bad performances. The precedent has been set. That's no one's fault but those who wanted the precedent set at the level. We have to deal with that now. Jose now has to deal with a lazy squad who got their high-performance coach sacked cos he made them work hard.

That's fucking hard.

Spot on. The people jumping at Poch's throat and calling us all snowflakes when we wanted him given time are the same people defending Jose to the hilt now.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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I was initially so excited when mourinho was appointed, I felt we need a winner and mentality change at the club. But what worries me the most is I see no philosophy or style of play developing. I know any manager needs time and opportunity to have pre season and his own players but we change our formation and style every week. If u look at other managers such as Nuno, nagelsmann and rodgers you can see the way they want to play and they stick with a system. Could even say the same about Arteta. I really thought it was all about winning games even at the cost of a nice brand of football. But after being served up the awful football style we have in last 3 months and already losing our identity I would rather we went back to a young coach with new ideas
Exact how I feel.
 

rio bryan

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I just want to ask how many here sincerely believe that our game plan would have been more positive and results would have been better if key players like Kane and Son was not injured?

Lets also be fair... Poch said that this squad needed changes and investments.

We've seen our defender regress, confused and lacklustre performance even from Poch days.

So how many truly believe that game plans and results would have been positive if those two specially were not injured?
A lot of short memories out there, we were shit under Poch hence the reason we got rid of him and he didn't have the injuries we currently have. It was down to Poch / Levy that changes and investments weren't made earlier.
 

TheHoddleWaddle

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Correct. If the squad is really as terrible and broken as it looks, it will either require a phenomenal investment of money this summer, or we will need to go all in on a developing youth approach. Which would require a new manager.

I'm not convinced that is entirely accurate.
 
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We've played 4-2-3-1 the most times under Mourinho this season and that includes having Son and Kane fit and that was when we were playing you have a shot we have a shot in the early throws of him coming in and getting results.

I'm not allowed to get into the worn out 'style of play' debate because people report me - so I'll say, considering what he has inherited and what we're seeing I'm still not sure what people were expecting in regard to style of play.

I want to see if he is given the chance through the summer and then implements his style from the kick off next season. No implemented style, no direction through the first month or so of next season and I'll happily revisit this discussion.

Time is the greatest gift you can give to anyone - it's sorely lacking at the moment - and yeah, you could say the same re: Poch. I'm well aware.

Bob.
 
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