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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

Guernman

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Aug 24, 2013
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I don't blame Mourinho for this situation and I think he needs to be given time.

I also feel that Pochettino had to leave the club, he had clearly lost the desire to be here.

However, what we are currently seeing from Mourinho is a million miles away from Pochettino at his height.

Poch lived and breathed deeper values. In this situation he would be furious at questions regarding injuries, insisting that such talk disrespects those players who are fit and playing.

Poch was special you know... I suspect time will tell just how special
 

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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Funnily enough, before Lucas signed for PSG, Tim Vickery said the exact same thing, however, he was more insightful in his article regarding Moura - said that he was a rightwinger/inverted who will never reach the heights most think he will because he plays with his head down most of the time, runs into blind alleys & never looks for the pass. Basically said he was an unknown quantity, but can produce moments of brilliance - seems quite familiar that.
Yeah he wasn't half right was Tim.

I'd happily sell him and bring in a player who can pick out others whilst being a threat on the counter.
 

kaz Hirai

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Nov 5, 2008
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I've alluded to this in the past without confining the details but I've been giving English lessons to the PSG first team fitness coach for a couple of years now and as he knows I'm a Tottenham fan he asked me what was going on.

Now a lot of this won't be a revelation but it might help confirm a number of issues with us.

After I told him my thoughts about what happened at our club, I asked him, as the expert, what he believes could be the issue.

First, he told me that players wouldn't necessarily be overworked from the training regimes (more the combination of games/training/etc) but if they've been working under the same fitness coaches and doing the same routines they will certainly get despondent with it and this can cause injuries In itself as players are unable to push themselves and then when they are pushed to play 3 games a week they aren't ready. Especially if the coach wants them to play high intense football.

He then thinks (after what I told him) that certain players have been managed poorly. For example, Kane, when returning from injury or summer tournaments, it would have been better to not have him on such an intense programme, a more managed programme would suffice as it seems to have caused an overload and why he gets injured often now. This could then apply to Alli and any other player who has returned from injury. He doesn't think our players have been managed well.

We also discussed management. When noting that Poch had been at the club 5 years and that a lot of the same players had been so too, he immediately told me that those players are done because they've given everything, utilised the high intensity training/system and continuously got injured. He stated that we need to replace a large percentage of them, maybe not Kane, Son and Alli but certainly a large amount.

When I asked him specifically on Poch and being at the club for so long, pulled a 'what do you expect' face and referred to Fergie changing the cycle of players and coaching staff every five years and that it won't work much longer in modern football cause coaches rely heavily on their entourage who they've trusted. So unless your board are happy to buy 3-4 new players every summer you are basically asking for trouble. You have to accept you'll buy a couple of duds and just shift them on first chance and replace them the following year but as long as you have that continuation it keeps things fresh.

He used Klopp as an example to watch because they all believe he's pushing his squad to the max and if he doesn't buy a few this summer the same could happen to them.

So, like I said nothing earth shattering but may give a better insight into what we are facing and why we are so dreadful at the moment and why our injuries rack up. I honestly don't think Jose can be criticised the majority of this is out of his hands.

Other little bits...

He also told me last week that Lucas is NOT a striker at all but is an absolutely brilliant person to have around.
Aurier has the capacity to be great but lacks the mental capacity.

I don't know what experience Jr Poch had in terms of professional roles but when I said Poch's son was our first team sports science guy he did look a little perplexed but I didn't push him on that point so can't say if he was thinking what some of us thought.

So if Kane wasn't on such an intense training plan he wouldn't go in for tackles that roll his ankle
AHH intriguing stuff
 

rez9000

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I’m not calling on him to be sacked. I’m really not. I’m just saying he’s not blameless, and this is not a team that’s being coached well. Considering what he’s being paid, it’s not good enough.
Teddy, not you, not me, not anyone on this board is in any position to make claims of that nature. What you see on the pitch is the result of many factors of which coaching is only one.

What frustrates me so much is that people make categorical statements as if they are experts in the field and are in charge of all the facts. They're not. You're not. I'm not. It is nonsensical to act as if we know precisely all the ins and outs because we watch football. It's like saying we should be doctors because we've seen every episode of ER.
 

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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I don't blame Mourinho for this situation and I think he needs to be given time.

I also feel that Pochettino had to leave the club, he had clearly lost the desire to be here.

However, what we are currently seeing from Mourinho is a million miles away from Pochettino at his height.

Poch lived and breathed deeper values. In this situation he would be furious at questions regarding injuries, insisting that such talk disrespects those players who are fit and playing.

Poch was special you know... I suspect time will tell just how special
Poch was quite reserved in his first season too. It's only when we started to improve he gained the confidence to become more forthright and brave.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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'Putting injuries to one side...'

How can you? We lost our two world class players in the busiest period of the season to long term injuries. The players that aren't badly injured are shot to pieces due to being overplayed out of necessity. No wonder we have no threat when the square pegs in round holes up there are dead on their feet and broken mentally.

It's the story of our season. We had the chance to help the team in January and the board failed.

I don't think Mourinho is covering himself in glory but I don't think anyone could do much more in these circumstances.

The squad is knackered physically and mentally, and missing the true quality that elevates it above the opposition. The season is a shit show, it's the hand we've been dealt.
But when we had Kane and son home to Chelsea for example our top 4 rival we got utterly dominated. The future under Jose is anything but bright.
 

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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So if Kane wasn't on such an intense training plan he wouldn't go in for tackles that roll his ankle
AHH intriguing stuff
Don't have to get snidey about it.

Injuries usually breed more injuries but Kane also hasn't looked as sharp has he? Since those injuries. That's what I'm getting at.
 

SargeantMeatCurtains

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Jan 5, 2013
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SC when Poch lost vs SC when Jose loses

pochmourinho.jpeg
 

spursfan77

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So if Kane wasn't on such an intense training plan he wouldn't go in for tackles that roll his ankle
AHH intriguing stuff

Surely you can see the Kane of today isn't the Kane of 3 years ago? That he's physically not the same. I suspect that what he meant rather than injuries. Kane looks knackered most matches before he even starts. The lot of them do. We've all been saying it for ages.

I'll say it again. We need a director of football in to shake up the place. Until that happens, nothing will change.
 

mrlilywhite

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Sep 1, 2008
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Yeah he wasn't half right was Tim.

I'd happily sell him and bring in a player who can pick out others whilst being a threat on the counter.
That's the thing with Moura, He puts in a shift for sure, but offers nothing in terms of a threat really. The fact that Jose seems to like him a lot is telling in that he is blinded by his ability to chase the game, even when it is seemingly gone. He doesn't seem to look at everything else he doesn't bring, which is a lot. A very single-minded player and limited in terms of ability, which is in part down to his lack of ability to actually read the game. For me, he is industrious at best. Though the same could easily be said of Lamela, however, I'll cut him some slack as he is playing when really he shouldn't be and should be working on getting fit.
 

kaz Hirai

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Nov 5, 2008
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Don't have to get snidey about it.

Injuries usually breed more injuries but Kane also hasn't looked as sharp has he? Since those injuries. That's what I'm getting at.

Apologies, but I hate that bloody narrative than the injuries are all pochs fault.
Mourinho even said he'd not experienced this luck as a manager because they're all on pitch trauma injuries, not fatigue based.

Even Jose said it! Pre match press conference. It would be easy for him to blame prior management but no, they're all in game trauma apart from sissoko
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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I wouldn't be that definitive. Our remaining fixture is complicated. If we don't get a single win out of this (which is entirely possible from our form) I think if will be difficult to keep him for Levy.

Next games:
Man U - loss
West Ham - draw/win
Sheff U - loss
Everton - draw
Bournemouth - draw
Arsenal - loss
Newcastle - draw
Leicester - loss
Palace - win

There are only 3 games we are favourites to win.
Doesn’t look good by my predictions.
 

SpartanSpur

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Jan 27, 2011
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But when we had Kane and son home to Chelsea for example our top 4 rival we got utterly dominated. The future under Jose is anything but bright.

That was a poor game, no doubt about it, and a mark against Jose. However it was very early in his tenure and also included a baffling GK error at HT and a silly red card shortly after that gave us no chance of turning the game around.

Same with Utd away, we claw our way back to 1-1 at HT then give a pathetic penalty away within 5 mins of HT.

Injuries and ridiculous individual errors over and over.

I think we all have doubts about Mourinho but the hand he has been dealt has been so awful I can't help but sympathise with him. If this was a videogame we'd have all called bullshit and loaded an earlier save weeks ago.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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That was a poor game, no doubt about it, and a mark against Jose. However it was very early in his tenure and also included a baffling GK error at HT and a silly red card shortly after that gave us no chance of turning the game around.

Same with Utd away, we claw our way back to 1-1 at HT then give a pathetic penalty away within 5 mins of HT.

Injuries and ridiculous individual errors over and over.

I think we all have doubts about Mourinho but the hand he has been dealt has been so awful I can't help but sympathise with him. If this was a videogame we'd have all called bullshit and loaded an earlier save weeks ago.
Yea agree with that mate not all his fault by any means.
 

Hawk_Spur

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Yes we have an abnormal amount of injuries but Jose's constant negativity shows that he has thrown the towel in for the rest of this season. Why would the players give their absolute all for a manager that is looking forward to July as opposed to the next fixture?
 
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