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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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I've alluded to this in the past without confining the details but I've been giving English lessons to the PSG first team fitness coach for a couple of years now and as he knows I'm a Tottenham fan he asked me what was going on.

Now a lot of this won't be a revelation but it might help confirm a number of issues with us.

After I told him my thoughts about what happened at our club, I asked him, as the expert, what he believes could be the issue.

First, he told me that players wouldn't necessarily be overworked from the training regimes (more the combination of games/training/etc) but if they've been working under the same fitness coaches and doing the same routines they will certainly get despondent with it and this can cause injuries In itself as players are unable to push themselves and then when they are pushed to play 3 games a week they aren't ready. Especially if the coach wants them to play high intense football.

He then thinks (after what I told him) that certain players have been managed poorly. For example, Kane, when returning from injury or summer tournaments, it would have been better to not have him on such an intense programme, a more managed programme would suffice as it seems to have caused an overload and why he gets injured often now. This could then apply to Alli and any other player who has returned from injury. He doesn't think our players have been managed well.

We also discussed management. When noting that Poch had been at the club 5 years and that a lot of the same players had been so too, he immediately told me that those players are done because they've given everything, utilised the high intensity training/system and continuously got injured. He stated that we need to replace a large percentage of them, maybe not Kane, Son and Alli but certainly a large amount.

When I asked him specifically on Poch and being at the club for so long, pulled a 'what do you expect' face and referred to Fergie changing the cycle of players and coaching staff every five years and that it won't work much longer in modern football cause coaches rely heavily on their entourage who they've trusted. So unless your board are happy to buy 3-4 new players every summer you are basically asking for trouble. You have to accept you'll buy a couple of duds and just shift them on first chance and replace them the following year but as long as you have that continuation it keeps things fresh.

He used Klopp as an example to watch because they all believe he's pushing his squad to the max and if he doesn't buy a few this summer the same could happen to them.

So, like I said nothing earth shattering but may give a better insight into what we are facing and why we are so dreadful at the moment and why our injuries rack up. I honestly don't think Jose can be criticised the majority of this is out of his hands.

Other little bits...

He also told me last week that Lucas is NOT a striker at all but is an absolutely brilliant person to have around.
Aurier has the capacity to be great but lacks the mental capacity.

I don't know what experience Jr Poch had in terms of professional roles but when I said Poch's son was our first team sports science guy he did look a little perplexed but I didn't push him on that point so can't say if he was thinking what some of us thought.
 

Archibald&Crooks

Aegina Expat
Admin
Feb 1, 2005
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People do realise it is 6 years since Mourinho won a champions league knockout game.
Thanks Bob.

It'd be a useful stat if we knew in how many of those years since he last won a CL knockout game he was actually at a club whilst it was competing in the KO stages. Any chance you could let us know?
 

VancouverSpur

Well-Known Member
Aug 26, 2010
1,380
4,081
I understand people saying the anti-mourinho sentiment is unbearable at the moment. However it felt like he just fucking gave up. Literally I was sat there wondering what the fuck was happening.

Leipzig a young team new to the CL who knows what would have happened if we nicked a goal. But it was almost as if Jose just said Forget it and called it a night. It was bizarre and does not endear him to the fans at all.
 

TEESSIDE1

Married, new job and Spurs on the up!
Jul 3, 2006
15,089
18,780
Best outcome is to miss out on Europe altogether for next season. This way Jose can work with the squad and focus on the league and domestic cups without being dragged all over Europa for the Europa league games. It will also allow us to strengthen the squad over the next 2-3 windows whilst having minimal risk of fatigue and injuries due to overplaying.
 

mrlilywhite

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Sep 1, 2008
3,174
4,992
Season over?

Well, less stress, less ranting and less 'over egging' of what the club, manager, players can achieve in that case then.

?
No complaints for me, mate - I'm more concerned about next season & I'd say we are looking at Utd's second season under JM if I'm honest.
Folk may neg rep me, but I see us being closer to the bottom than anywhere else unless ENIC can truly back him and clear out the broken players. That would be a big ask for a lot of teams, for us, it's seemingly impossible, given our track record in the market. My memory isn't that short - I'll never get Juande Ramos's image out of my head after that season.
 

SpartanSpur

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Jan 27, 2011
12,552
43,063
'Putting injuries to one side...'

How can you? We lost our two world class players in the busiest period of the season to long term injuries. The players that aren't badly injured are shot to pieces due to being overplayed out of necessity. No wonder we have no threat when the square pegs in round holes up there are dead on their feet and broken mentally.

It's the story of our season. We had the chance to help the team in January and the board failed.

I don't think Mourinho is covering himself in glory but I don't think anyone could do much more in these circumstances.

The squad is knackered physically and mentally, and missing the true quality that elevates it above the opposition. The season is a shit show, it's the hand we've been dealt.
 

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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'Putting injuries to one side...'

How can you? We lost our two world class players in the busiest period of the season to long term injuries. The players that aren't badly injured are shot to pieces due to being overplayed out of necessity. No wonder we have no threat when the square pegs in round holes up there are dead on their feet and broken mentally.

It's the story of our season. We had the chance to help the team in January and the board failed.

I don't think Mourinho is covering himself in glory but I don't think anyone could do much more in these circumstances.

The squad is knackered physically and mentally, and missing the true quality that elevates it above the opposition. The season is a shit show, it's the hand we've been dealt.
It's so blatantly clear I can't believe people are glossing over it
 

Trotter

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Jan 30, 2009
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Thanks Bob.

It'd be a useful stat if we knew in how many of those years since he last won a CL knockout game he was actually at a club whilst it was competing in the KO stages. Any chance you could let us know?

I know you were taking the piss, but anyway for the record will answer for him, but it is irrelevant anyway

2 losses with us this season
A draw and a loss with Man U v. Sevilla in 2018 in Last 16
2 draws with Chelsea v. PSG in 2015 going out on away goals in Last 16
Draw and loss with Chelsea v. Atletico in Semi in 2014.

So last win was in QF in 2014, 9 knockout matches ago when he overturned a 3-1 away loss with Chelsea with a 2-0 home win to get though on away goals with Chelsea v. PSG
 
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spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
46,680
104,957
Why won’t people see this? The anti mourinho bias is blinding them!

1 - no Son, Kane, Bergwijn, Davies, Sanchez.
2 - Ndombele not fit.
3 - Lloris, Gazza & Vorm making simple errors in last 4 games.
4 - Not a single striker option in the squad.
5 - Toby and Vertonghen both aged this season.
6 - Eriksen has left.
7 - no strong presence in the centre of the park.
8 - zero pace in the squad.

All of the above are true and not a single one of them is Jose’s fault.

Please god someone start an “Anti Mourinho” thread because this place is becoming unfortunately unbearable due to the constant whinging in every single thread!

When Poch couldn’t win for love nor money (with Kane, Son and Eriksen) it was all Levy’s fault but somehow no considering we don’t have the aforementioned players, it’s all Jose’s fault!

The entitled fans in here can give you whiplash.

You've said this twice now. Just go set one up for them. Im sure it will be popular!
 

mrlilywhite

Well-Known Member
Sep 1, 2008
3,174
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I've alluded to this in the past without confining the details but I've been giving English lessons to the PSG first team fitness coach for a couple of years now and as he knows I'm a Tottenham fan he asked me what was going on.

Now a lot of this won't be a revelation but it might help confirm a number of issues with us.

After I told him my thoughts about what happened at our club, I asked him, as the expert, what he believes could be the issue.

First, he told me that players wouldn't necessarily be overworked from the training regimes (more the combination of games/training/etc) but if they've been working under the same fitness coaches and doing the same routines they will certainly get despondent with it and this can cause injuries In itself as players are unable to push themselves and then when they are pushed to play 3 games a week they aren't ready. Especially if the coach wants them to play high intense football.

He then thinks (after what I told him) that certain players have been managed poorly. For example, Kane, when returning from injury or summer tournaments, it would have been better to not have him on such an intense programme, a more managed programme would suffice as it seems to have caused an overload and why he gets injured often now. This could then apply to Alli and any other player who has returned from injury. He doesn't think our players have been managed well.

We also discussed management. When noting that Poch had been at the club 5 years and that a lot of the same players had been so too, he immediately told me that those players are done because they've given everything, utilised the high intensity training/system and continuously got injured. He stated that we need to replace a large percentage of them, maybe not Kane, Son and Alli but certainly a large amount.

When I asked him specifically on Poch and being at the club for so long, pulled a 'what do you expect' face and referred to Fergie changing the cycle of players and coaching staff every five years and that it won't work much longer in modern football cause coaches rely heavily on their entourage who they've trusted. So unless your board are happy to buy 3-4 new players every summer you are basically asking for trouble. You have to accept you'll buy a couple of duds and just shift them on first chance and replace them the following year but as long as you have that continuation it keeps things fresh.

He used Klopp as an example to watch because they all believe he's pushing his squad to the max and if he doesn't buy a few this summer the same could happen to them.

So, like I said nothing earth shattering but may give a better insight into what we are facing and why we are so dreadful at the moment and why our injuries rack up. I honestly don't think Jose can be criticised the majority of this is out of his hands.

Other little bits...

He also told me last week that Lucas is NOT a striker at all but is an absolutely brilliant person to have around.
Aurier has the capacity to be great but lacks the mental capacity.

I don't know what experience Jr Poch had in terms of professional roles but when I said Poch's son was our first team sports science guy he did look a little perplexed but I didn't push him on that point so can't say if he was thinking what some of us thought.
Funnily enough, before Lucas signed for PSG, Tim Vickery said the exact same thing, however, he was more insightful in his article regarding Moura - said that he was a rightwinger/inverted who will never reach the heights most think he will because he plays with his head down most of the time, runs into blind alleys & never looks for the pass. Basically said he was an unknown quantity, but can produce moments of brilliance - seems quite familiar that.
 

Caco

Village Idiot
Nov 2, 2004
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Absolute spoilt brats in this fan base. It’s embarrassing. Literally choosing to ignore the blindingly obvious reasons for the shit were in just because he’s ex-Chelsea.

Nothing to do with him being ex Chelsea, have you forgotten who Hoddle managed after he left Swindon? A managers job is to manage, you can't account for or predict injuries. Jose is not the first manager to deal with ambiguity, it's a basic managerial trait, but as a manager he has alienated himself from the squad by publically criticising some and by insinuating that the rest aren't good enough. The only way this gets better for Jose is with a big bag of money, only problem there is he'll focus on players for now rather have any sort of legacy. He's the worst appointment we've ever seen, and I'm including Graham and Gross in that assessment, will not end well.
 

Ossie85

Rio de la Plata
Aug 2, 2008
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I cannot believe there are actual adults on here thinking that José is going to get sacked any time soon. Were you born yesterday and haven’t ever heard of “realism” in this world.

I wouldn't be that definitive. Our remaining fixture is complicated. If we don't get a single win out of this (which is entirely possible from our form) I think if will be difficult to keep him for Levy.

Next games:
Man U
West Ham
Sheff U
Everton
Bournemouth
Arsenal
Newcastle
Leicester
Palace

There are only 3 games we are favourites to win.
 

rossdapep

Well-Known Member
Aug 25, 2011
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Put everything (what's left of it) into the West Ham and Arsenal games. Other than just focus on next season, rest players up, don't rush injured players back, coach tactical aspects, sack opponent preparation off...just focus on us.
 

rez9000

Any point?
Feb 8, 2007
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There is a positive in all this - with only the League to worry about we only get way OTT, completely agenda-driven drivel peaking once a week instead of twice between now and the end of the season.
 
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There is a positive in all this - with only the League to worry about we only get way OTT, completely agenda-driven drivel peaking once a week instead of twice between now and the end of the season.
Tonight I've figured out it's basically everyone at the clubs fault. Boardroom all the way down to pitch side. It's over, Rez. It's over.
 
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