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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

fortworthspur

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only thing left to do is pick up the pieces and start anew this summer. we've almost certainly got him for 2 more years.
 

fedupyid

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No one is mate, no one can be, but by the same token no one can be sure he's the wrong man...it's just lazy, pre-conceived nonsense from the fans who are just fucking itching to say 'I was right' just 4 months into his tenure.
I can. We had the right man but did not back him and he got irritated. We sacked the man he brought in to help build the squad.

Jose Mourinho is well past it he has never been the same since he was not as Successful as Madrid needed him to be.
 

Gb160

Well done boys. Good process
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pelayo59

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I can. We had the right man but did not back him and he got irritated. We sacked the man he brought in to help build the squad.

Jose Mourinho is well past it he has never been the same since he was not as Successful as Madrid needed him to be.

We backed Poch, and Levy needed to do that. Wouldn't say that Mou is well past.
 

monkeynick

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Surely it's worth creating a separate thread for those who see him as the devil and c

Key word in your post being 'year'. Let's see if you are still moaning then!
I genuinely don’t see him being here 12 months from now. It’ll go sour between now and the end of the season, toxic over the summer and nuclear to the point of no return by Christmas. He will be much richer, blame the ‘culture at Spurs’ or some such statement to ensure that he retains some credibility over at Chelsea and we will have wasted 2 seasons and gone backwards
 

Ionman34

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I genuinely don’t see him being here 12 months from now. It’ll go sour between now and the end of the season, toxic over the summer and nuclear to the point of no return by Christmas. He will be much richer, blame the ‘culture at Spurs’ or some such statement to ensure that he retains some credibility over at Chelsea and we will have wasted 2 seasons and gone backwards
Can I have the lottery numbers for Tuesday whilst you are on a roll?
 

jay2040

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I genuinely don’t see him being here 12 months from now. It’ll go sour between now and the end of the season, toxic over the summer and nuclear to the point of no return by Christmas. He will be much richer, blame the ‘culture at Spurs’ or some such statement to ensure that he retains some credibility over at Chelsea and we will have wasted 2 seasons and gone backwards

You are blinded by your narrow mindedness!
 

Gb160

Well done boys. Good process
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I genuinely don’t see him being here 12 months from now. It’ll go sour between now and the end of the season, toxic over the summer and nuclear to the point of no return by Christmas. He will be much richer, blame the ‘culture at Spurs’ or some such statement to ensure that he retains some credibility over at Chelsea and we will have wasted 2 seasons and gone backwards
Honest question Nick, do u want him to succeed here? or is that doomsday scenario you just painted what u want to happen?
 

rez9000

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I can. We had the right man but did not back him and he got irritated. We sacked the man he brought in to help build the squad.

Jose Mourinho is well past it he has never been the same since he was not as Successful as Madrid needed him to be.
He's right. We need to dust off the old time machine and go back to November and not sack him. It's the only way!
 
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Lighty64

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But levy said there is no evidence to support this so man city, Chelsea, utd, real Madrid and Barcelona do not spend to be ambitious, thanks Mr levy you certainly have not insulated your customers intelligence with that.:joyful:

you conveniently didn't take this section in before posting especially as all those clubs had the finances and structure of their squads well in place before FFP came along

2.3 The current project:
• MC said much had been made of the Club’s project over the last five years. Where was that now?
• DL insisted that nothing had changed in terms of strategy and didn’t recall ever using the word ‘project’
• The Club is still focussed on bringing through youth players
• FFP has now made it impossible for rich investors to write a blank cheque to buy a league title and clubs generally are now required to spend according to their means
• The significant bad luck with injuries was mentioned as something out of anyone’s control
• The reality is that Spurs need to continue to compete at the highest level with the ambition to win


but hey ho least you managed another dig :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 

Chirpystheman

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I think it's clear that unless we literally don't win a game for the rest of the season and get dragged into a relegation scrap, Mourinho is going to get a full summer and transfer window before he gets judged properly. Maybe when he gets Kane and Son back and brings in a couple of players then we'll morph into this entirely new side. Until then, there are a some serious red flags.

1. The defence has been absolutely atrocious. Kane and Son being injured should have no bearing on our ability to put out a coherent, organised backline. Just three clean sheets in the league since he joined, with the likes of Sheffield Utd, Wolves and Crystal Palace having lower goals conceded columns - we are closer to the worst defensive record in the league than we are to Sheffield Utd. Are our defensive players really all that bad? Are they that much worse than those clubs? We have some very highly rated and expensively signed players in our squad, is this really as good as they can get before we start trying to buy our way out of trouble?

2. The attack is also crap. It's just diabolical to watch. We just aren't creating enough chances. Football is a simple game, and in general those teams who create the most also scored the most over the course of the season. We're not doing it, and that doesn't look like changing any time soon. The movement of our attacking players is crap, their touches in and around the box seem way off and to be honest it just looks like poor coaching to me. I think I remember reading about how much time Klopp spends training his teams on attacking moves, I just don't see any evidence of that at all.

3. He doesn't appear to have a clue what his best XI is. Yes, we've had a lot of games and have needed to rotate, and yes, we've had a lot of injuries, but there's just no consistency to our systems or personnel. Again, maybe this changes in summer, but at the moment it's just a disorganised mess.

We're not the first team to have injuries in our squad, nor is there going to be this magical season when everyone gets fit and stays fit for the entire season. The fact that we are coping so badly with the loss of Kane and Son shows as much as anything else a loser's mentality throughout the squad, instead of standing up and making themselves counted the mindset just seems to be a "well what could I do? Not my fault guv". I'll remind you all that last season Liverpool took on Barcelona when 3-0 down with Salah and Firmino both out injured and Robertson going off at half time - we all remember how that ended and it wasn't with them moaning about injuries.

Like I said at the beginning, it's hard to see much changing before the summer at which point we'll get to REALLY judge this side, but at the moment this is arguably the least enjoyable season of the past 15 years. At least Sherwood had us in the top 6...


1. The attack does have an impact on defence as teams cant overload attacking wise if you carry a threat on the counter or have an out ball. When we were at our best teams rarely over committed against us. This means less work for the defense which means the defence are more focused and concentrated. They are being worked so much more which causes basic errors as they at times panic

2. Again we are missing anyone with hold up ability and having to chsnge things constantly doesn't help. Also the midfield apart from GLC does not offer enough currently. No one breaking the lines or trying to assist. Winks rarely does this. Ndombele only good for 20mins a game. Alli missing the space a target man creates for him. Bergwijn adjusting to a new league. Moura shattered from being over worked. Lamela rarely fit and makes wrong decision more often than not

3. What is our best XI with the current injuries. Im not sure i could pick a team and be confident that its the best options. All 3 keepers been poor lately davies now injured Tanganga had a couple of shaky moments lately. Jan looked like he should retired a few weeks back. Toby and sanchez both error prone. Only one RB. Dier looked good rlast two games before that looked totally off the pace. Midfield Gedson raw and not sure up to pace of prem. GLC pure class ndombele just not fit and lacks the mentality to play. Winks running himself into ground but lacks positional discipline which leaves us open/exposed. Skipp is a kid. Sessegnon was injured again and just come back Lamela not trained properly for weeks. Bergwijn adjusting to a new league. Alli struggling as mentioned above moura working hard but lacks a but of intelligence. So what XI would you play with any real conviction and could honestly say thats our best XI. He had eriksen who left in Jan and wasnt replaced. Hes had sissoko who was just starting to look good. Scored a couple and was offering effort and commitment and then lost him Kane and Son to injury. They were a key 4 players to our starting XI last season all lost.

Yes its disorganised but we had way to many passangers in our squad who arent up to it. Rose KWP Foyth Wanyama were all players taking up squad places who clearly should have been moved on last summer and replacements for the squad found this never happened. Now all but one have been moved on however only wanyama permanently. We will need to replace and shift them in the summer which wont be easy with Levy. Hopefully they know who they want to sign and they will be got in early in the summer.
 

Chirpystheman

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are you being deliberately thick? Someone else made the comparison about why give one time and not the other, it isn’t that hard.

Mourinho has been left behind by modern football, he hasn’t developed a front foot style in 20 years, he's too afraid to have his teams go out attack anyone. Not Burnley, not Norwich, not Leipzig, not Southampton.

To put it another way, imagine he had been in charge of Burnley yesterday, would he have come at us and dominated as they did, he'd have played a flat back six and hoped to nick something. That’s it that’s all he has.

There is a level of delusion or dishonesty amongst our fans that something good is bound to happen if we give it time because it’s Mourinho but if you examine the way he plays, there is almost no evidence of that being successful today in 2020.

Liverpool, Man City, Wolves, Leeds, Sheffield Utd, Chelsea, Leicester. None of the best teams in England today are sitting in and hoping to steal a result. Playing flat back 5's, at Burnley, surrendering initiative in games.

Mourinho spurs has only scored 2 less in the league than sheff united all season. In the games where he had kane and son fit which was only 8 games in the league we scored 18 goals. So to say hes too defensive etc is rubbish. He came in and we was scoring goals and creating chances. Even when son was here we were still creating chances. You said these other teams werent just sitting in and defending up until 2 weeks ago we had amassed the 3rd most amount of points in the league and even went second at one point and have been without the best striker in the league for over 2 months. Please actually look at the stats. The league hasnt passed him by. Our squad is shot to pieces through injury and mental fatigue. We need to get to the summer get a squad where everyone can contribute and get to work. Simple as that. Dont compare us to liverpool who have hard hardly any injuries to anyone apart from their keeper. Chelsea were 12 points ahead of us when Jose came in and 2 weeks ago were 1 point. Before we lost the other half of 70% of our goals. So please be honest when assessing our performances results wise with these other teams.
 

Chirpystheman

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i like it, a comedian.

I agree, Jose has a great record, so based on that what is wrong with having high expectations and holding him to that? He said he's special no one else.

It must concern you even if you are not willing to say it aloud that Solskjar schooled him, it must concern you that Lampard did it...twice. I agree with you wholeheartedly his record grinds them into the dirt. They are not fit to lace his boots.

When you watched Pochettino’s Spurs smash his team at Old Trafford last season, or at Wembley the season before or at the Lane before that. When you watched Klopp put him out of his misery at Anfield when he was at Utd. Somewhere deep inside you must have thought 'I don’t think Jose's quite as good as he was'?

Surely it's OK to say this and think it, it is a fact that the way teams play has altered hugely from the era in which Jose had his early success? That is surely undeniable, the world changes. Were he not Spurs manager would anyone be attacking my points at all?


Yep Poch also schooled him in the semi of the FA Cup a game that really mattered or the year before that when we lost 1-0 there. Also the same mourinho that came second and won two trophies at United. However you are right lampard schooled him twice. One where we had a keeper try to decapitate there player to give away a pen and then had a man sent off. The second time we were missing our whole strike force. Yep Ole Schooled him as well. Pretty sure we were well in the game and level after gifting them the first goal and then team decided to give away a pen to go 2-1 down straight after halftime. Dont let the actual game get in the way of the result after all its a results business.

Please look at the full picture. Potter schooled Poch maybe Potter is a better manager than poch. We let in 7 to a manager who got sacked a couple weeks later. So please do not compare results in games. Its embarrassing to do so. We were 14th when Jose took over and two weeks ago were 1 point off 4th and then lost our only real goal threat.
 

fortworthspur

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as Ive said, im not a Mourinho fanboy, but I dont know what people expect of him 3 months into the job having lost his two best scorers and best playmaker as well as Sissoko and Ndombele still a non-factor. Of course he's going to focus on a defensive approach for the time-being.
 

Chirpystheman

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It's not a case of resisting. It's the tactics being employed. I'm not buying this garbage of we have injuries so we can't play football.

Look at the players we have available. Are you telling me Wolves, Burnley Norwich and Watford have that many first teamers that can get ahead of our players currently playing and our bench?

Wolves - Adama
Burnley - nobody
Norwich - Cantrell, Aarons, Lewis
Watford - Capoue?

Those players I would love us to sign, but not one of those teams had more than 3 players that should be playing for us. So why are we treating them like they are the superior teams?

Right now JM is the most negative managers in the league. I don't care what he says about the players but it's clear he doesn't want to play football. If he isn't going to trust Toby, GLC, Lamela, Lucas, Winks and Alli to play football then who is he going to trust? Does he think only Son and Kane can play football? Is Sissoko now the only midfielder that we trust with a pass?

No. None of that is the case.

The first 3 games showed he can release our attacking side. Those 3 games showed work on our defending. But now we only attack if we losing? What is the point of that?

The more training sessions JM has, the more negative we get. Why curb our attacking when it's clear we can't defend? We nullify the one thing we good at.

Please don't say it's a lack of attackers. Lucas, Bergwijn and Alli are still there. JM needs to adapt the attack slightly not stop it. I appreciate the is the whole new system coming next season, but then why introduce a whole negative system that simply isn't working? Why not train in that new system now. It's not possible that he has this new system and none of the players he has at his disposal are capable of adapting to it. I simply cannot believe that because that means we need 25 new players next season.

It's just so frustrating seeing a team with Lucas, GLC, Alli, Bergwijn and Lamela literally not being allowed to play.

And no, I have not only been supporting spurs through the good years. It's been 31 years supporting Spurs, I lived through the relegation battles, cup final losses and George Graham anti-football.

You cannot be serious. Have you seen our current squad. We have 3 keepere who are all making errors and lloris just cant stay fit. We have no recognised LB fit and the one we do have isnt really up to it in Davies. We have one recognised RB who most wanted replaced. We have a midfield where only 2 playerd can be fully relied on currently due to inexperience in gedson and skipp and lack of effort in ndombele. We have lamela who cant train and can only offer 20/30mins here and there up until weekend just gone Bergwijn whos new to the league and come from a much easier one. Alli who has only ever looked good when given a free role to make runs from deeper and moura who has been run into the ground. The 4 teams you have decided to use as examples have a fair few players that would get in our current starting XI

Wolves have coady boly doherty neves moutinho adama and Jimenez who would currently get in our starting XI. You could make a case for patricio and Jota. You really dont understand if you think only one wolves player makes our matchday squad

Burnley wood and McNeil would get in our team currenrly (we've even been linked with McNeil)

Norwich pukki lewis aarons and maybe even godfrey would all get in our team currently

Watford capoue dacoure delafou and deeney would get in to our current starting XI.

Obviously when fully fit squad and everyone is engaged then its different but when has he had a fully fit squad to pick from lloris was out until feb and been without son or Kane since middle of Dec. Peoples agenda is ridiculous. All just choosing to ignore the real facts of the situation. The squad nowhere near good enough and some players have been found out big time. Some have regressed
People talking as if he came in and had a peak Jan Toby and Rose. With Wanyama of last season at the lane Dier of 2016/17 and fully fit attack. The reality is very different. If you are going to compare players at least compare them on todays showings not on some distant memory of how good they once were.

Take your Mourinho bashing blinkers off and really study the current state of the squad from top to bottom and not in a fifa/footy manager way. Assess it in the real world how many are really up to it. Why has jose amassed more points and scored more goals than Poch managed with a fitter squad. Please enlighten me to this
 
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Chirpystheman

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How much would it cost to sack him ?

Here's my post (that I can't quote as the thread is locked) in the 'Who to replace Poch with' thread on Oct 27 after, I think, the Liverpool game:

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Poch obviously. I have tried to stay off SC for a few weeks to avoid the anti-poch nonsense.

But we could have won today. Could easily have been 2-0 and then see the game out. It doesn't cross mind to change manager. Look at a graph of our success over the last 30 years. Anybody who thinks we should change manager after 6-7 months of poor league form mixed in with a CL run to final is clearly smoking crack

And while we're here, Mourinho's anti-football is a busted flush. It only works by packing your team with massive athletes and 3 world class attackers who score from nothing. And as soon as he inevitably alienates the entire team when his shit tactics don't work he's in the departure lounge waiting to get his suitcase full of cash
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I am not saying I am the only one who predicted this but this is almost exactly the way it's going. His tactics don't work and he constantly moans about the squad not being good enough. They will eventually turn on him if they haven't already.

And everybody can clearly see what Poch was getting out of the players with minimal help from the board

So why under jose were we scoring more and amassing more points then we did under Poch. Just purely out of interest. Also do you think our squad is good enough. Do you think the likes of Davies only LB aurier only RB are Jan tanganga Foyth up to it/ready. What about Ndombele Gedson sessegnon and Skipp are they up to it and ready. Is Parrott ready. When we had a fully fit squad we scored 18 goals in 8 games. Our squad is so unbalanced. We also have very few athletes in the squad. We are weak and lack any real fight. Once we have a chance to actually get the squad balance right and players fit then we can really judge him. He come in and the defence is like Jekyll and hyde. Toby and Sanchez both keep having brain meltdowns as well as all three keepers.
 

whitesocks

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I'm a big fan of mourinho but he got that first half against Burnley very wrong.
Putting aside the Skip Ndombele midfield disaster, every one of the 5 CB's were playing in the wrong position apart from Vertonghen, who can play LB or L wingback in an emergency.

Tanganga is no wing back. We knew that. He is however, a versitile defender and an acceptable defensive full back.
Sanchez is no wide CB/RB - we saw that against arsenal. The wider he plays, the worse he is. But centrally he is excellent.
Dier is no sweeper. He was poor against Wolves in this role (sorry JM) - we let in 3 after all, and the defence was disordered.
Alderweireld is no wide left CB/LB. He is right footed and can get away with playing LCB, but even then loses his long range passing.

I just wonder why JM did all this as he fixed these problems in the second half and also found a very effective midfield pairing of GLC and Dier. I want to see more of that if Dier gets away with his tantrum.
 

allatsea

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I can. We had the right man but did not back him and he got irritated. We sacked the man he brought in to help build the squad.

Jose Mourinho is well past it he has never been the same since he was not as Successful as Madrid needed him to be.
Hello Mr One Issue Poster I see you are it again.
 

parj

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Good post and agree with the principles of it mate BUT A LOT of Wolves players would get in our team right now.

I agree a lot would right now. But if we were playing football, how many really would? Right now only GLC is playing football.
 
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