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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

Japhet

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Because they've been run into the ground for 5 years and aren't physically capable of doing it for prolonged periods anymore?

Seems pretty obvious to me that it's more exhausting chasing the opposition around than it is to have the ball ourselves and thereby dictate the tempo of the game. I'm not a tactical genius though so I expect to be wrong.
 
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Seems pretty obvious to me that it's more exhausting chasing the opposition around than it is to have the ball ourselves and thereby dictate the tempo of the game. I'm not a tactical genius though so I expect to be wrong.
We had more of the ball against Wolves and lost ... Yeah.
 

Colonel Dax

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Jul 24, 2008
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Too true. It will not get better but worse as we make wholesale changes and probably wrong changes to the squad.

His excuses are endless. All the talk about a tired small squad because of injuries were made to look like the nonsense it is by a Wolves team playing their 46th game just a few days after the Europa ... which we know is not easy in itself ... and they are hardly full of international team captains and ‘stars’ like our squad is

The likes of Moutinho, Neves, Jota, Jimenez, Traore would get into our current injury ravaged team. And don't forget we were missing Lloris for that match too.

Sorry but our squad is woefully unbalanced. Ageing centre backs, average / poor full backs, no defensive midfielder and missing key goal-scorers. We've lost Kane, Son and Eriksen in the space of 2 months. Any team would struggle if you remove 75% of their goals in such a short period.
 
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Gb160

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Jun 20, 2012
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Seems pretty obvious to me that it's more exhausting chasing the opposition around than it is to have the ball ourselves and thereby dictate the tempo of the game. I'm not a tactical genius though so I expect to be wrong.
If we were doing that then I'd make you right, but there's no chasing, no press whatsoever.
In the games we sit back in we basically concede possession.
 

Phomesy

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Aug 20, 2013
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My notes on this thread

People who need to give their head a wobble:

A) Those criticising Poch to the point where they are trying to play down the significance of his tenure as a whole here, not just the end. He deserves so much more respect even if the decision to sack him was hard to argue all things considered.

B) Those that seem to care way too much about Mourinho managing Chelsea in the past. It gives me a headache trying to comprehend it. Other legit criticisms are pretty abundant right now (plus legit excuses too), but anyone that opens with Chelsea £$%^ or similar completely invalidates their post in my mind.

C) Those clearly still pining for Poch. Seriously people, he's gone, deal with it. I still have hope Mourinho will come good for us next season, but doubts are building fast. However whether Jose stays or goes Poch isn't coming back, so stop looking through everything with Rosario-tinted glasses FFS.

Couldn't agree more. (y)

And each one just makes the others dig in more.
 

Havre

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It's all speculation, but you can never underestimate mental exhaustion. It's amazing how well a team can perform when their confidence is high, look at Wolves if nowhere else, they've played more games than anyone this season, yet they always seem to get stronger as a game goes on, regardless of whether they are losing or drawing. They have belief and confidence, which helps to shrug off any physical tiredness they may feel.

I've played for some very good teams in my time, with one we went 2 full seasons unbeaten, won the lot. Then a couple of players moved on and we lost our main midfielder to injury (me ;)) and our striker got jailed lol. The team fell apart then because the belief and confidence evaporated. Players who could run all day suddenly looked like they'd aged 10 years overnight.

The game is mostly in the head, you never feel tired if, in your head, you believe you're going to go out there and perform. We started to get that going initially, but then any confidence gains took huge blows when we lost both Kane and Son. You can see this just in the rank finishing weve5seen since Son got injured, no one really believes in themselves to finish and we're suffering as a result. This cascades to the defence, who don't believe we can score enough to win, so are under massive pressure to stop the opposition scoring. This leads to indecision, fear of mistakes and the errors come back.

Whilst I honestly believe JM will bring us success, I've never seen him as a miracle worker. The setbacks that he and the team have had to endure would test any manager, which is why I'm not subscribing to this idea that a "progressive manager," whatever that means, would fare any better or have us playing with any more flair. Again that's just an opinion, but it's as valid as any.

The main point I'm making, which has been made and ignored on here time and time again, is that the only remedy I can see at this point in time is time. Time for the team to reset their mindset, time to work on his processes with a preseason, time to implement whatever new ideas he has, time for the injured players to get back to fitness and for us to integrate any new additions.

He may well still fail, but no one can categorically state at this point in time, with the issues we currently have, that it will go one way or the other.

I don't hold out any hope that those blinded by hatred of him will take an ounce of interest in what I've posted, but you never know.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I was never expecting any miracles from Mourinho and I think you are right the mental aspect is important.

However, to me Mourinho seems to be in a very good mood - so I can't see him draining players the way I think he might at the end managing both Chelsea and Utd. And normally with a change of manager you do get some new energy. Maybe we had it in the beginning slightly, but not much. Also even if we weren't playing brilliant football we were getting back to the fight for 4th. Shouldn't some of this given us a mental boost?

Whatever it is that is wrong this is to me where I think Mourinho hasn't been successful so far. Obviously not suggesting we sack him and hire Redknapp, but I would be shocked if doing exactly that wouldn't give us a bit more of a spark short term.

Could obviously also be that we just aren't fit enough. A lot of things seemed to go the wrong way at the end for Pochettino so maybe we let our fitness levels drop as well? I don't know.
 

nipponyid

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Jan 19, 2006
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The game is mostly in the head, you never feel tired if, in your head, you believe you're going to go out there and perform. We started to get that going initially, but then any confidence gains took huge blows when we lost both Kane and Son.

The huge blow to our confidence was the champions league final..
 

rez9000

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Feb 8, 2007
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The huge blow to our confidence was the champions league final..
A valid point. How long would it take to get over that? How long would it take to get over that when week-in, week-out poor results occur that may well exacerbate it?

That the squad has severe confidence issues isn't an unrealistic thing to presuppose. How is that confidence re-instilled? That's a difficult question, but I'm pretty sure it's not something that can happen in a short space of time.
 

hakano

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Because they've been run into the ground for 5 years and aren't physically capable of doing it for prolonged periods anymore?

This is by far the best I've seen. Jose's mind games working on the fans too I see. The man is a genius.
 

JCRD

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Aug 10, 2018
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If we were doing that then I'd make you right, but there's no chasing, no press whatsoever.
In the games we sit back in we basically concede possession.


I do think in the main we are either trying to rush forwards or rushing backwards... players are constantly trying to catch up with play... thats why players like Dele they just look awful, theyre holding up the ball waiting for support but by that time Dele is surrounded by three or four defenders and then loses it then the players have to run back from where they came from. Its quite Benny Hillesque...

There isnt much build up unless we need the goal eg Norwich last Wednesday and prior to that Southampton in the FA Cup where we had a great 20 minute spell.

I think the times where we have tried to build and where we have attacked in that build up, the players have looked so much better and think th eplayers feel more comfortable in that. Thats why I dont think the players are as bad as theyre being made out to be (although the squad is hugely unbalanced and lacking certain ingredients)
 

shelfboy68

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Jun 14, 2008
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A valid point. How long would it take to get over that? How long would it take to get over that when week-in, week-out poor results occur that may well exacerbate it?

That the squad has severe confidence issues isn't an unrealistic thing to presuppose. How is that confidence re-instilled? That's a difficult question, but I'm pretty sure it's not something that can happen in a short space of time.
As losing creates a lack of confidence winning games instils it so they need to start winning games.
 
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