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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

Ossie85

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Aug 2, 2008
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I like this thread.... Fight fight fight... Should really all meet up and fight this out.. Beats fury wilder 3 any day

Look why do we have to be absolute when judging Jose... He is either great or shit. Constructively I would have expected greater improvement and really don't like the moaning about players because if you're a player... What does that say about them when hearing it? I also think the tactics and approach are poor and making the players look worse than what they actually are.

The other side of the coin is Jose hasn't had much to work with in terms of players and it's been an intense four months.... Players also got to look at themselves...

It is turning sour quickly though and shit needs to be sorted. The thing is do we trust him with the money when there is a risk that things don't improve or that things continue as they are with the tactics and approach to games? I'm not convinced.

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This.
No one expects us to be playing like Liverpool. But we should be playing a lot better than this. Even without the injuries and lack of striker.
The tactics are destroying the little confidence players currently have. Our forwards are running after the ball all game.
 

Kiedis

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Aug 4, 2013
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United, second season ?

Hinging our bets on luck and Lloris emulating an absolutely insane season from De Gea isn't too smart. That the wheels would come off with those performances at some point was easy to predict.

Trophies or no trophies, Mourinho have a lot to prove in terms of his coaching if he's to live up to the PR stuff about having reinvented himself.
 
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This.
No one expects us to be playing like Liverpool. But we should be playing a lot better than this. Even without the injuries and lack of striker.
The tactics are destroying the little confidence players currently have. Our forwards are running after the ball all game.
No, you shouldn't I'll disagree with this point until the end of days - you can play football, but without that focal point you get to witness what we have over the last 4 games at least.

It's like people create a narrative to fit an argument that we should still be able to win without key players - mean while teams losing key players in key positions key to the way they play suffer loss in form ... Keep saying it, these things are linked.
 

Gb160

Well done boys. Good process
Jun 20, 2012
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Trophies or no trophies, Mourinho have a lot to prove in terms of his coaching if he's to live up to the PR stuff about having reinvented himself.
Quite honestly, if he's successful with us I couldn't give a hoot if lives up to that whatsoever.
 

SpartanSpur

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Jan 27, 2011
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My notes on this thread

People who need to give their head a wobble:

A) Those criticising Poch to the point where they are trying to play down the significance of his tenure as a whole here, not just the end. He deserves so much more respect even if the decision to sack him was hard to argue all things considered.

B) Those that seem to care way too much about Mourinho managing Chelsea in the past. It gives me a headache trying to comprehend it. Other legit criticisms are pretty abundant right now (plus legit excuses too), but anyone that opens with Chelsea £$%^ or similar completely invalidates their post in my mind.

C) Those clearly still pining for Poch. Seriously people, he's gone, deal with it. I still have hope Mourinho will come good for us next season, but doubts are building fast. However whether Jose stays or goes Poch isn't coming back, so stop looking through everything with Rosario-tinted glasses FFS.
 
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Ionman34

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Jun 1, 2011
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This is what I don't get. I mean I understand that players get tired, but why are we completely gassed? Are we training to hard between games under Mourinho? Except Aurier, who is "ironically" the one playing the most minutes, any player playing a couple of games in a row ends up playing with 0 energy. Even when we got 7-8 days between games there is no spark.

Generally speaking I think Mourinho has done well, and it is not like we were a high energy team under Pochettino the last 12-18 months either, but we seem to be getting worse by the game at the moment. Lucas, Alli, Winks and Bergwijn looked like they were playing extra time in a world cup final after 30mins against Norwich. Just exhausted. Tired is one thing - this was another level.
It's all speculation, but you can never underestimate mental exhaustion. It's amazing how well a team can perform when their confidence is high, look at Wolves if nowhere else, they've played more games than anyone this season, yet they always seem to get stronger as a game goes on, regardless of whether they are losing or drawing. They have belief and confidence, which helps to shrug off any physical tiredness they may feel.

I've played for some very good teams in my time, with one we went 2 full seasons unbeaten, won the lot. Then a couple of players moved on and we lost our main midfielder to injury (me ;)) and our striker got jailed lol. The team fell apart then because the belief and confidence evaporated. Players who could run all day suddenly looked like they'd aged 10 years overnight.

The game is mostly in the head, you never feel tired if, in your head, you believe you're going to go out there and perform. We started to get that going initially, but then any confidence gains took huge blows when we lost both Kane and Son. You can see this just in the rank finishing weve5seen since Son got injured, no one really believes in themselves to finish and we're suffering as a result. This cascades to the defence, who don't believe we can score enough to win, so are under massive pressure to stop the opposition scoring. This leads to indecision, fear of mistakes and the errors come back.

Whilst I honestly believe JM will bring us success, I've never seen him as a miracle worker. The setbacks that he and the team have had to endure would test any manager, which is why I'm not subscribing to this idea that a "progressive manager," whatever that means, would fare any better or have us playing with any more flair. Again that's just an opinion, but it's as valid as any.

The main point I'm making, which has been made and ignored on here time and time again, is that the only remedy I can see at this point in time is time. Time for the team to reset their mindset, time to work on his processes with a preseason, time to implement whatever new ideas he has, time for the injured players to get back to fitness and for us to integrate any new additions.

He may well still fail, but no one can categorically state at this point in time, with the issues we currently have, that it will go one way or the other.

I don't hold out any hope that those blinded by hatred of him will take an ounce of interest in what I've posted, but you never know.
 

Ossie85

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No, you shouldn't I'll disagree with this point until the end of days - you can play football, but without that focal point you get to witness what we have over the last 4 games at least.

It's like people create a narrative to fit an argument that we should still be able to win without key players - mean while teams losing key players in key positions key to the way they play suffer loss in form ... Keep saying it, these things are linked.

You need to watch more football then. There are a lot of good teams playing without a #9.

But let's assume there aren't any. How is it that we played well the last parts of the Leipzig and Norwich games without a #9?? Why can we set up like that for most parts of the game?? You could say the rival teams sat back, but that alone wouldn't be enough.

I honestly cannot believe you think the only way we are left to play we this set of players is like Mourinho is making us play.
 
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You need to watch more football then. There are a lot of good teams playing without a #9.

But let's assume there aren't any. How is it that we played well the last parts of the Leipzig and Norwich games without a #9?? Why can we set up like that for most parts of the game?? You could say the rival teams sat back, but that alone wouldn't be enough.

I honestly cannot believe you think the only way we are left to play we this set of players is like Mourinho is making us play.
So we are playing good football without a #9 so why do people keep saying we're not?
 

Spurs 1961

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Aug 31, 2012
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If you can see something is wrong , why wait until it gets worse?

4 months and the style of play is clear and it’s shit.

Too true. It will not get better but worse as we make wholesale changes and probably wrong changes to the squad.

His excuses are endless. All the talk about a tired small squad because of injuries were made to look like the nonsense it is by a Wolves team playing their 46th game just a few days after the Europa ... which we know is not easy in itself ... and they are hardly full of international team captains and ‘stars’ like our squad is
 

Gb160

Well done boys. Good process
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You need to watch more football then. There are a lot of good teams playing without a #9.
Because they've built their team to play that way.
How many good teams playing without a #9 are doing it because they're being forced to through injury?
 

wrd

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Because they've built their team to play that way.
How many good teams playing without a #9 are doing it because they're being forced to through injury?

You say that as if our team was built to play the way it's currently playing :LOL:
 

Ossie85

Rio de la Plata
Aug 2, 2008
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So we are playing good football without a #9 so why do people keep saying we're not?

I think it's crystal clear what I said. You just don't want to understand it because it doesn't fit you story.
We are set up to wait. When there's 10 minutes left, Mourinho orders them to move forward and we actually play decent, and without a striker!
Why the fuck aren't we playing like that from the start?? We are conceding goals anyway
 

Gb160

Well done boys. Good process
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We are set up to wait. When there's 10 minutes left, Mourinho orders them to move forward and we actually play decent, and without a striker!
Why the fuck aren't we playing like that from the start??
Because they've been run into the ground for 5 years and aren't physically capable of doing it for prolonged periods anymore?
 

olliec

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Jun 20, 2012
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Mourinho managed a team that were reigning champions in the Premier league that season and he really excelled there didn't he. Most stupid comment ever.
How often does a manager do the back to back when it comes to the tittle which he won the season before. This comment is more stupid to be honest.
 

Bobbins

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Definitely feels like we could be at the start of another managerial Merry-go-round period after a rare and prolonged period of stability with Poch.
 
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I think it's crystal clear what I said. You just don't want to understand it because it doesn't fit you story.
We are set up to wait. When there's 10 minutes left, Mourinho orders them to move forward and we actually play decent, and without a striker!
Why the fuck aren't we playing like that from the start?? We are conceding goals anyway
So we didn't play like that against Wolves in the opening 20 and the same again in the opening 30 against Norwich? Don't berate me about 'understanding'.

The picture you describe above is the Liverpool game to a 't'. Man City was all about the fast break and be clinical. RB blew us off the pitch in the opening 15 - 20 which they have done numerous times this season, it's what they do, I can continue if you like - you can see I'm not fully denying that at times we're right under the cosh, but it really isn't half as bad as people keep making out with all this 'waiting' stuff. It's a part of the game, it isn't the whole, I won't have it.
 
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