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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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We have to give Jose some time Poch has left a bunch of broken players behind him. Nearly all look a shadow of themselves. I don't know what training he did with them but he has left them in a mess.
This issue is not just the time but the money, the way we are playing is horrendous and even with improved players I don’t see Jose changing that style so why let him spend money on players to suit that style then it all goes tits up and we go back to a young progressive manager but need to re build the squad again.

Levy needs some serious blame for the football strategy, there is no coherent plan, he’s made many terrible managerial decisions that aren’t what we need and then we don’t back the managers properly so they can implement their style, it’s rinse and repeat and the issue is deeper than Jose or whoever else our manager might be.
 

dimiSpur

There's always next year...
Aug 9, 2008
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I am reserving judgement on Jose until next season, however I won't be shocked if it goes tits up next year.

We have employed Jose as a racing driver, to drive a distinctly average car, with certain parts missing and have asked him to finish in a certain position. Whilst it's understandable that the car cannot, subjectively, win any races, Jose has been driving erratically at times. That means that whilst I agree he should be in a car that can compete, his driving thus far must be somewhat concerning.

Having said that, prior to Son's injury he did manage to get us close to the top four (which is an achievement in itself). My problem, however, is the negativity he's caused. We are arguing amongst ourselves, even fighting amongst ourselves. There is a terrible negative energy surrounding the club. Whilst it cannot be attributed in its entirety to Jose, he has been a contributing factor.

Yes we lack attacking options, we know that. Yes we look knackered after 50 minutes in every game. But I appreciate the odd "politician" answer and not brute honesty all the time, especially when he states I wish it was July now. It doesn't really respect the 60k fans that will turn up until July comes, who pay big money. It doesn't really respect the players currently playing, who must feel completely inept.

So whilst I won't judge Jose until next season, once he's had a proper transfer window and the return of Kane and Son, as well as a full pre-season to coach the team to play in the way he wants, I cannot ignore the fact that there are signs that this could end up a toxic wasteyard.
 

midge

Well-Known Member
Jul 28, 2011
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I am reserving judgement on Jose until next season, however I won't be shocked if it goes tits up next year.

We have employed Jose as a racing driver, to drive a distinctly average car, with certain parts missing and have asked him to finish in a certain position. Whilst it's understandable that the car cannot, subjectively, win any races, Jose has been driving erratically at times. That means that whilst I agree he should be in a car that can compete, his driving thus far must be somewhat concerning.

Having said that, prior to Son's injury he did manage to get us close to the top four (which is an achievement in itself). My problem, however, is the negativity he's caused. We are arguing amongst ourselves, even fighting amongst ourselves. There is a terrible negative energy surrounding the club. Whilst it cannot be attributed in its entirety to Jose, he has been a contributing factor.

Yes we lack attacking options, we know that. Yes we look knackered after 50 minutes in every game. But I appreciate the odd "politician" answer and not brute honesty all the time, especially when he states I wish it was July now. It doesn't really respect the 60k fans that will turn up until July comes, who pay big money. It doesn't really respect the players currently playing, who must feel completely inept.

So whilst I won't judge Jose until next season, once he's had a proper transfer window and the return of Kane and Son, as well as a full pre-season to coach the team to play in the way he wants, I cannot ignore the fact that there are signs that this could end up a toxic wasteyard.

Half our fans made their mind up on Mourinho on day one. That is not likely to change no matter what he does. That is where most of the negative energy comes from.

The negative energy was already there in massive amounts during Poch last few months here. You just have to go back to some of the post and even look at the Poch videos prior to his departure. People hate Jose and just decide to dump it all on his back.

The team is broken from 18 months of mismanagement, that is something we need to give Jose time to fix.

Jose is trying to be honest and take the pressure off his players by being brutally honest. Nothing wrong with that.
 

dimiSpur

There's always next year...
Aug 9, 2008
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Half our fans made their mind up on Mourinho on day one. That is not likely to change no matter what he does. That is where most of the negative energy comes from.

The negative energy was already there in massive amounts during Poch last few months here. You just have to go back to some of the post and even look at the Poch videos prior to his departure. People hate Jose and just decide to dump it all on his back.

The team is broken from 18 months of mismanagement, that is something we need to give Jose time to fix.

Jose is trying to be honest and take the pressure off his players by being brutally honest. Nothing wrong with that.
I don't disagree that the team is broken or that the negative energy pre-existed. I specifically mentioned that we have to reserve judgement, that obviously means time for Jose.

My point was that rather than aleviate the negativity, he seems to have been undertaken by the said negative energy and is now apart of it!
 

eddiev14

SC Supporter
Jan 18, 2005
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19,679
It’s so easy to blame Mourinho and I see a number of my mates are turning on him now, too.

Thing is, Poch wasn’t getting results and the football was shit for 9 months, too, or have people forgotten that?

Remember us losing 3-0 at Brighton? Poch had more options in the squad then than Mourinho has had since he got his feet under the table.

The squad is a busted flush. We have no energy, they all look drained and we don’t have the squad to help them recover (whether that’s a mental or physical recovery). It’s been the same for about 3 years - no options, high intensity training, working them to the limit without rest.

To be fair to Poch, though, he warned the board 2 years ago that this could happen, yet still they did nothing. Yeah they signed a couple of players last summer but it was frankly too little, too late.

No manager can solve the problems we now have. The board drastically now need to step in and solve it by investing in a number of new players who have the talent, energy and desire to play for us.

If Mourinho is their man, they simply need to back him in the transfer market. That’s it.

The only hope I have is I cannot see a scenario where Mourinho comes to us unless he’s been assured this investment is coming.
 

thebenjamin

Well-Known Member
Jul 1, 2008
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Oh, and to bloody top it off.....we've 2 boys aged 8 and 6. Both have the spurs kits, names on the back etc. Daddy here has been filling their poor little heads with Spurs since day 1, our best players from the past, the best games I've been to blah blah blah.

So this morning I tell them that Spurs lost last night on penalties. The eldest said "how did man city get on"?
"Why" I asked
"I think I support them now"

A bit taken a back, I was then getting the 6 year old dressed for school. His birthday is in May so i was asking him what he wants....
"A Wolves strip". He said it fucking deadpan. No smile or cheeky grin to show me he's kidding. He's absolutely serious.

After I told my 7 year old this morning about the penalty loss he just said 'Norwich are the worst team. That means we deserve to finish bottom'. I could find no fault in his logic.
 

Ossie85

Rio de la Plata
Aug 2, 2008
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13,215
This is a good thing though isn't it? I mean Jose won't get to waste cash on players no one wants and Levy won't be able to shift cos Levy. It will also give us an identity on the pitch, pathways for the youth and building a squad, also it means Jose rates our youth and quashes the ideal that he doesn't give youth a chance ...

How can it be over? I mean that's ticking the boxes for every one - even those who hate ENIC are proved right. That tweet is like getting a double yolker, isn't it?

Oh fuck I am so confused by this fan base ...
It's over because Mourinho is not the right man if we only want to promote youth.
I don't like Mourinho but sacking him now is ridiculous and I'm willing to give him until the end of the year to see at least signs of decent football. But if that's how Levy will back him in the summer, we might as well sack him now. It's gonna end very bad
 
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It's over because Mourinho is not the right man if we only want to promote youth.
I don't like Mourinho but sacking him now is ridiculous and I'm willing to give him until the end of the year to see at least signs of decent football. But if that's how Levy will back him in the summer, we might as well sack him now. It's gonna end very bad
Yeah but on the other hand people aren't happy letting him spend money because he wastes it so what exactly is he meant to do?

The second line of your response, while gracious of you, decent football? We've seen some decent football in spells through out most of the games, Southampton and the first Norwich game might be a stretch but he still ground out results either sides of those games, so do you mean a wall to wall 90 minute game of football where we're better than good?

I'll be honest, I cannot quantify what it is fans on here from this squad as it stands (with most likely two more of the players who played last night facing bans)
 

Ossie85

Rio de la Plata
Aug 2, 2008
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Vertonghen, Rose, Wanyama, Alderweireld, Vorm, adding to the injuries to Kane, Son, Lloris, Davies, Lamela and losing Eriksen.

Mate are you really gonna sit there and ignore the other posts and make out like we have some top squad? I know you have been going through my posts and disliking them all but open your eyes just a little bit and try and see through that anti-Mourinho haze.

Poch couldn’t get a tune out of these players, and now neither can Mourinho. Why are the players blameless?

We are missing some key players and others are ageing. But we still have a good enough squad to play better than some teams. Norwich were without their star man Pukki last night, and they played much better than us. And our starting 11, name by name, had a lot more quality than theirs.

In the last minutes we played like we should be playing against these teams. The rest of the game we played like a lower league team. How can that not be Mourinho's fault?
 

Ossie85

Rio de la Plata
Aug 2, 2008
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Yeah but on the other hand people aren't happy letting him spend money because he wastes it so what exactly is he meant to do?

The second line of your response, while gracious of you, decent football? We've seen some decent football in spells through out most of the games, Southampton and the first Norwich game might be a stretch but he still ground out results either sides of those games, so do you mean a wall to wall 90 minute game of football where we're better than good?

I'll be honest, I cannot quantify what it is fans on here from this squad as it stands (with most likely two more of the players who played last night facing bans)

I think he needs big signings. Only using youth is a recipe for disaster. Not everyone that disagrees with you thinks the same way. The ones that don't want him to spend are clearly the ones that never liked him and want him gone asap.

I haven't seen decent football since he arrived tbh. Yes, he won several games, but mainly during his first games, and most famously the City game, where imo we were really lucky with the penalty. He needs time for that, but it feels we are getting worse, which is a big worry.
 

thekneaf

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Jan 18, 2011
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After I told my 7 year old this morning about the penalty loss he just said 'Norwich are the worst team. That means we deserve to finish bottom'. I could find no fault in his logic.
I could, but I'm not a parent, so I'll leave that to experts. Or, over a year we're much better, but the beauty of football is that better teams can lose to worse teams on their day.
 

Doctor Dinkey

Legacy Fan
Jul 6, 2013
3,591
8,687
If Mourinho is their man, they simply need to back him in the transfer market. That’s it.

The only hope I have is I cannot see a scenario where Mourinho comes to us unless he’s been assured this investment is coming.
They won't back him. At least not substantially.
The gamble was that he would be able to organise the existing squad well enough to get CL.
But now that's gone, there's no funding.
This can't end well. Expect massive fireworks in the summer and a negotiated exit soon after.
 

Japhet

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Aug 30, 2010
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I am reserving judgement on Jose until next season, however I won't be shocked if it goes tits up next year.

We have employed Jose as a racing driver, to drive a distinctly average car, with certain parts missing and have asked him to finish in a certain position. Whilst it's understandable that the car cannot, subjectively, win any races, Jose has been driving erratically at times. That means that whilst I agree he should be in a car that can compete, his driving thus far must be somewhat concerning.

Having said that, prior to Son's injury he did manage to get us close to the top four (which is an achievement in itself). My problem, however, is the negativity he's caused. We are arguing amongst ourselves, even fighting amongst ourselves. There is a terrible negative energy surrounding the club. Whilst it cannot be attributed in its entirety to Jose, he has been a contributing factor.

Yes we lack attacking options, we know that. Yes we look knackered after 50 minutes in every game. But I appreciate the odd "politician" answer and not brute honesty all the time, especially when he states I wish it was July now. It doesn't really respect the 60k fans that will turn up until July comes, who pay big money. It doesn't really respect the players currently playing, who must feel completely inept.

So whilst I won't judge Jose until next season, once he's had a proper transfer window and the return of Kane and Son, as well as a full pre-season to coach the team to play in the way he wants, I cannot ignore the fact that there are signs that this could end up a toxic wasteyard.

Does he know the car has forward gears and you don't have to go everywhere in reverse?
 
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I think he needs big signings. Only using youth is a recipe for disaster. Not everyone that disagrees with you thinks the same way. The ones that don't want him to spend are clearly the ones that never liked him and want him gone asap.

I haven't seen decent football since he arrived tbh. Yes, he won several games, but mainly during his first games, and most famously the City game, where imo we were really lucky with the penalty. He needs time for that, but it feels we are getting worse, which is a big worry.
Fair enough.

Just on the spending, if you look at the players we brought in during the window (Gio was already here) both are early 20's. The players we have been linked to elsewhere are (Lille, English based players and so on) all early 20's. Only the defender at Napoli (his name escapes me) and Giroud are players of any great age. Point is, he'd be having to spend money on the youth, but not as much as the established types that everyone seems to trot out as his old M.O.

As far as the football goes, I still feel some are doing him a disservice when it comes to all the football we have played, because at times it's been very open and fluid. Does that mean I can't see people's opinions about how deep we dropped at the weekend? Nope, I can see it. It's not been like that all the time though. Same with the hoof ball comments and as for last night, I'm baffled as to what some where viewing last night in the opening half at least.

I'm hopeful, like I was with Poch. That didn't turn out bad, despite how some view my opinions on here. I'll plough on to the end of the season and see what comes in the summer.
 

homer hotspur

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Dec 7, 2014
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They won't back him. At least not substantially.
The gamble was that he would be able to organise the existing squad well enough to get CL.
But now that's gone, there's no funding.
This can't end well. Expect massive fireworks in the summer and a negotiated exit soon after.
I think this is more than likely. No CL or El will not appeal to Jose or the players he will target. He will have ample excuses to deflect any blame from him. Also, can't rule out a few shock transfer requests from our best players.
 

wrd

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Aug 22, 2014
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Fair enough.

Just on the spending, if you look at the players we brought in during the window (Gio was already here) both are early 20's. The players we have been linked to elsewhere are (Lille, English based players and so on) all early 20's. Only the defender at Napoli (his name escapes me) and Giroud are players of any great age. Point is, he'd be having to spend money on the youth, but not as much as the established types that everyone seems to trot out as his old M.O.

As far as the football goes, I still feel some are doing him a disservice when it comes to all the football we have played, because at times it's been very open and fluid. Does that mean I can't see people's opinions about how deep we dropped at the weekend? Nope, I can see it. It's not been like that all the time though. Same with the hoof ball comments and as for last night, I'm baffled as to what some where viewing last night in the opening half at least.

I'm hopeful, like I was with Poch. That didn't turn out bad, despite how some view my opinions on here. I'll plough on to the end of the season and see what comes in the summer.

Koulibaly
 
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