Jose Mourinho

[Parklane Spur]

Tottenham are broken as Mourinho prophecy is self-fulfilled - Football365

Jose Mourinho and Tottenham fans finally share one thing in common: a desperation for the season to finish.

www.football365.com

Thought this was a good read

 

[Kiedis]

The first half was actually one of the more uplifting performances we've had under Mourinho considering the opponent. Got the better of a good team by being proactive, and doing it well and actually looking like we've been coached in terms of what to do in possession. More patience and few hopeless passes in the general direction of an isolated striker.

Hope we can recognise some of this play in the coming games, as that will be a sign of progress.

Not holding out for dear life against the likes of Southampton before grabbing the odd goal and have people quipping about lucky generals.

 

[double0]

In the first half we clearly had a system in place and it was working. Dier played well commanding the defence but it all went a bit Pete tong when Ali’s wonderful header didn’t go in to make it 3-1 to us.

So is it Alli's fault. Lol

 

[Dougal]

In the first half we clearly had a system in place and it was working. Dier played well commanding the defence but it all went a bit Pete tong when Ali’s wonderful header didn’t go in to make it 3-1 to us.

Do you ever look at Ty on AFTV and think ‘what game were you watching!?!’. How we were leading at half time was a complete mystery.

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

Yeah because you're just gonna totally ignore our two strikers being injured, had we had both we'd probably be sitting in or around 3rd...

Actually you're right let's just ignore it anyway, carry on rambling nonsense...

think you have to include Sissoko in that too - he may still be laughed at by some, but his energy and pace in transition would be massive for us at the moment

 

[FinnYid]

The quote was the last year. We got into the CL last year, we haven’t got a hope this year.

We would have hope if we had points per game for whole season we have under Mourinho and last spring we did everything under heaven to miss out on CL.

Jose with Kane and Son on PL: 12 points on 6
Jose with either Kane or Son: 14 points on 8
Without either: 2 games, 0 points

Total 26 in 16 games, hardly great - but while he had both Son and Kane we got results and even with just one somewhat decent results. But we got 25 points in last 24 PL of Poch. Now that is very close to relegation form and it's not just some short streak.

Plus the football has got worse, the vast majority would agree.

Then vast majority have short memories as our performances during that long run were utter shambles too. It may not be much better now, but at least it got some results when Son and/or Kane were fit.

 

[dudu]

Son and Kane being unavailable isn't the reason why our defense is rubbish

No, our defence was poor at times yesterday because it was the first time they ever played together.

The Son and Kane thing is a big part of our issues but we are rebuilding a team from every position on the pitch simultaneously.

 

[dudu]

Jose is such a polarizing manager that as soon as we hit a rough patch it becomes toxic very quickly. I didn’t want him as manager but here he is so we have to give him a little bit of time.

My main issue is that he seems very much like Mourinho of old and his time away has done little to change that. Levy has had a hard on for him a while so let’s see if that turns into backing when it comes to the transfer window as we desperately need refreshing.

However, he should spend some time going back through the deadline day threads from the last few windows on here to see what disappointment he might be in for come August. ?

It's not just Jose mate.

Poch's team in his first year got boo'd at times.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

It's obviously a dig at the levy lovers who our happy to put up with any ball he drops because we have a new stadium.

Ah, funny thing to have a dig about really - be easier to just have a dig at the man in the threads dedicated to him if I'm honest.

Spurs fans are getting weirder with each passing season.

 

[Bobbins]

I remember the few trophies we've won whilst i've supported Spurs but I also remember smiling when Berbatov scored 4 against Reading

What a great memory! I too remember occasionally smiling when watching Spurs.

 

[HedgieSpur]

The quote was the last year. We got into the CL last year, we haven’t got a hope this year. Plus the football has got worse, the vast majority would agree.

Nope thats YOUR characterisation of it. I don't think you can assert that the the "vast majority" agree the football is worse with anything more meaningful that its just your opinion. As I said previously, the football since last January in the league was abject, with a particular nadir being Brighton away this season. It might FEEL that the football is getting worse, but that might be due to your own unconscious bias rather than anything else.

What can't be disputed is that results initially significantly improved but have recently tailed off again.

 

[Gilzeanking]

'I'll save judgement on Mourinho until summer'

Tottenham lack a system and identity under Jose Mourinho but he needs to have the summer before he can be properly judged, writes Jermaine Jenas.

www.bbc.co.uk

pretty hard to disagree with the majority if not all of what jenas has said

Jenas quote from BBC
'I just hope that when Jose sat down with Spurs chairman Daniel Levy before Pochettino was sacked there was a conversation between them that went along the lines of 'if I am going to be here, I want to be here for a long period of time to build something and I need your backing to get the players in that I need and get the players out that I want out'.

Well , I'd speculate that this is precisely not how the Levy/Jose conversation went . Jose was saying in public he didn't need players
and that coming to Spurs was easy decision because the players are so good . This is the one area where he has made a clear error imo.

I feel his analysis of out team was from an earlier era (e.g. Dier worship) , possibly when he last played against us with Utd .

 

[nailsy]

this is my concern. From what I remember our net transfer budget was £20m per season? Now we have more revenue but again from what I remember we are paying £22m a season back on the stadium so where does that put our net spend capacity?

plus we will probably have no champions league income to rely on. We have have just dropped £60m on Ndombele and £40m on all Celso. 25£m on Sess and another £25m on Bergwijn. That’s before the option to but Gedson for £42m kicks in as well.

we’ve seen recently that Danny boy is not managing to move players on for extortionate fees as easily as he previously has done so I’m concerned about where the money for Mourinhos rebuild is coming from especially when you consider the above totals up to around £200m which is very unlike us!

I'm not sure where you're getting those figures from? The stadium repayments are more than covered by our shirt sponsorship deal so I wouldn't worry about that. We've got champions league money from this season, TV money, stadium income, etc, so our transfer budget will be much higher than £20M.

 

[spursfan77]

think you have to include Sissoko in that too - he may still be laughed at by some, but his energy and pace in transition would be massive for us at the moment

I'd play him in Lucas's position at the moment. I know his finishing is awful but playing him in that attacking position would get us up the pitch so much quicker.

 

[Japhet]

think you have to include Sissoko in that too - he may still be laughed at by some, but his energy and pace in transition would be massive for us at the moment

Sissoko carried us through a whole load of shit performances last year. Missing his energy and power right now.

 

[Trotter]

To put a slight different slant to discussion.
Below is a table of points per game (League only) each of our players have achieved whilst they have been on the pitch this season (minimum 4 games).
If we win a game 2-1, but a player is taken off when we are losing 0-1 they get zero points, replacement gets a 2-0 win.
Sub has to have played 10 minutes, or a goal needs to have been scored when they are on pitch, for their appearance to count.
Not drawing any conclusions, but interesting reading, especially as some of the scapegoats appear high, and others that get free ride are low.
Team average is 1.43 per game, which would equate to 54 points over a full season, which would be our lowest haul since 2008-09 season

Lloris 1.82 (69)
Lamela 1.75 (66)
Aurier 1.74 (66)
Son 1.62 (62)
Dele 1.52 (58)
Alderwiereld 1.50 (57)
Bergwijn 1.50 (57)
Sanchez 1.48 (56)
Dier 1.45 (55)
Sissoko 1,45 (55)
Kane 1.45 (55)
Moura 1.43 (54)
Ndombele 1.41 (54)
Eriksen 1.30 (49)
Vertonghen 1.29 (49)
Sessegnon 1.20 (46)
Lo Celso 1.19 (45)
Davies 1.14 (43)
Gazzaniga 1.11 (42)
Rose 1.08 (41)
Winks 1.05 (40)
Tanganga 0.80 (30)

Foyth, Walker-Peters, Gedson, Wanyama (less than 4 games)

We have negative goal difference when Gazzaniga (18 games), Davies (7), Tanganga (5), Winks (22) and Bergwijn (4) have been on pitch

 

[Monkey boy]

Wonder if his old assistant coach used to be the defensive tactician and his new one isn’t all he was cracked up to be. I’m always a little weary of coaches that haven’t played the game at a professional level and that are almost the same age as the current players. The way footballers ego’s are these days would it surprise anyone if he didn’t have their respect and is seen as nothing more than Jose’s cone placer?

just a thought as to why we could be seeing such defensive horror shows from a Jose Mourinho team.

 

[danielneeds]

Wonder if his old assistant coach used to be the defensive tactician and his new one isn’t all he was cracked up to be. I’m always a little weary of coaches that haven’t played the game at a professional level and that are almost the same age as the current players. The way footballers ego’s are these days would it surprise anyone if he didn’t have their respect and is seen as nothing more than Jose’s cone placer?

just a thought as to why we could be seeing such defensive horror shows from a Jose Mourinho team.

Jose knows how to set up a defence. I’m not a fan, but that’s one thing he can do in his sleep. The problem is that this team lacks any sort of balance and power in key areas.

 

[Colonel Dax]

Wonder if his old assistant coach used to be the defensive tactician and his new one isn’t all he was cracked up to be. I’m always a little weary of coaches that haven’t played the game at a professional level and that are almost the same age as the current players. The way footballers ego’s are these days would it surprise anyone if he didn’t have their respect and is seen as nothing more than Jose’s cone placer?

just a thought as to why we could be seeing such defensive horror shows from a Jose Mourinho team.

The reasons for our defensive fragility:
1. Average / poor full backs
2. The decline of the older centre backs.
3. No recognisable DM.
4. No striker to hold the ball up (defending from the front and thereby relieving pressure).

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Firstly - I did wonder why he didn’t try Parrott earlier today - that’s has been his only mistake since arriving in my opinion

secondly - he hasn’t had that fucking squad you’ve quoted - he’s missed key members since his arrival

so let’s Consider every part please

Not having Kane or any kind of target man up front actually puts our defenders under a shit load of pressure.

V

Yes, at Daniel Levy.

Not saying Levy is not