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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

Ionman34

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diving header werent it? I rememer Woodgates scoring the winner in 2008 with his nose better.

But would you hand on heart say you will remember it over when Moura scored in the last second of the Ajax game when all is said and done?

Or do you honestly think people outside of long time Spurs fans 'remember it' , which seems to be really important for some people? I honestly dont know who the current FA cup champions are.

I’ve been following Spurs since 1975, I remember them all, the good times and the terrible ones.

I remember 1977 watching us go down to Sunderland at home to get relegated like it was yesterday. I remember Perryman lifting FA and Cup Winners Cups. I remember Hoddle virtually owning the goal of the Month competition, I remember almost seeing my club disappear through bankruptcy. I remember days of the most godawful Football but great banter in the terraces during the 90’s and better part of the new millennium.
The memories are all there, but the standout ones are the cup final wins. Playing poorly or not, the feeling of euphoria when the final whistle goes and you have Won a trophy is second to none, because you’ve climbed the mountain and you have that on record forever.

What makes me laugh here is the revisionism about the Amsterdam night. Absolutely the feeling at the end was wonderful, but that’s not the point you guys are making is it. You are going on about winning in style, dominating the game etc. Yet we were second best both at home and in Amsterdam to that Ajax team, we just finished the rare chances we had, something that JM is being knocked for on here.

In conclusion, you really don’t know what you’re talking about.

You talk about Spurs having a certain style of play, well that style was abject rubbish with the odd flair player thrown in for about 20 to 30 years. Before that we had Burkinshaw’s team that played with flair.

Between him and Bill Nic we were... Ordinary. A bit of flair here and there, but nothing to get you off your seat.

So over the last 60 or so years, we’ve had very little of this “particular style” you speak of. The odd bit of entertainment, but nothing really memorable other than the Cup wins. You talk as though the Pochettino way was the Spurs way, yet the narrative was that he revolutionised the way we play, and we only really had that for a season, maybe 2 at a stretch. Burkinshaw’s Spurs had some great games in the 80’s, but it’s the cup final nights that stick in the memory. Entertainment is fleeting, trophy and title wins are historic.
 

McFlash

In the corner, eating crayons.
Oct 19, 2005
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I don’t know. How many people do you think will watch the league cup final this weekend? 3 mill? 4 mill?

How many people watched the champions league final? 100 million? Profile wise it’s a no brainer. Also how many English players have actually played in a champions league final?

Ben Watson has an fa cup winners medal.. just sayin
I don't understand why you've such disdain for the domestic cups.
I hate to say it but you're the epitome of a modern football fan. It's all about who's on the cover of the next Fifa game and how many of our shirts you see when you're on holiday.
The Champions League, as wonderful as it's been for us, really is destroying the English game and the mindset of the fans.

If Champions League is the be all and end all, why do people even bother supporting their local teams. Let's just close them all down and focus on the big, rich clubs.

Wrong on so many levels.
 

Ionman34

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I don’t know. How many people do you think will watch the league cup final this weekend? 3 mill? 4 mill?

How many people watched the champions league final? 100 million? Profile wise it’s a no brainer. Also how many English players have actually played in a champions league final?

Ben Watson has an fa cup winners medal.. just sayin
Eh?

So now players base their fondest memories on viewing figures?

Take the day off pal, you’re off your tits.
 

spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
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Might as well ask them if they’d prefer to look back on their careers with lots of great nearly moments, or would they prefer a few winners medals on their mantle.

I’m pretty certain what 99% of the answers would be

Exactly. There’s some utter madness being discussed in here. I really think some people don’t understand what motivates footballers. It’s money, playing matches and trophies.

My best memory of spurs is winning the 2008 league cup final, it was amazing that day. The same reason I went to the final the following year and the final against Chelsea in 2015 and then the champions league final last year. I want to see us win finals live and pick up trophies. It’s the best feeling. There’s no prizes for second place, it’s a losers mentality.
 

CowInAComa

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Aug 31, 2012
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I’ve been following Spurs since 1975, I remember them all, the good times and the terrible ones.

I remember 1977 watching us go down to Sunderland at home to get relegated like it was yesterday. I remember Perryman lifting FA and Cup Winners Cups. I remember Hoddle virtually owning the goal of the Month competition, I remember almost seeing my club disappear through bankruptcy. I remember days of the most godawful Football but great banter in the terraces during the 90’s and better part of the new millennium.
The memories are all there, but the standout ones are the cup final wins. Playing poorly or not, the feeling of euphoria when the final whistle goes and you have Won a trophy is second to none, because you’ve climbed the mountain and you have that on record forever.

What makes me laugh here is the revisionism about the Amsterdam night. Absolutely the feeling at the end was wonderful, but that’s not the point you guys are making is it. You are going on about winning in style, dominating the game etc. Yet we were second best both at home and in Amsterdam to that Ajax team, we just finished the rare chances we had, something that JM is being knocked for on here.

In conclusion, you really don’t know what you’re talking about.

You talk about Spurs having a certain style of play, well that style was abject rubbish with the odd flair player thrown in for about 20 to 30 years. Before that we had Burkinshaw’s team that played with flair.

Between him and Bill Nic we were... Ordinary. A bit of flair here and there, but nothing to get you off your seat.

So over the last 60 or so years, we’ve had very little of this “particular style” you speak of. The odd bit of entertainment, but nothing really memorable other than the Cup wins. You talk as though the Pochettino way was the Spurs way, yet the narrative was that he revolutionised the way we play, and we only really had that for a season, maybe 2 at a stretch. Burkinshaw’s Spurs had some great games in the 80’s, but it’s the cup final nights that stick in the memory. Entertainment is fleeting, trophy and title wins are historic.

Nope. I dont think you know the point I am making or the context which I made that post. It was clearly referring to a tangential conversation thread regarding what is most memorable or enjoyable as a fan (matches/moments/trophies), not as a proof of some swashbuckling pinnacle of the Spurs way or Poch's football. So your conclusion is way off base.

The Champions League run was smack bang in the middle of the rot setting in and the football was mostly awful. Certainly in the league. No argument from me. Doesnt change the point that I will remember the Ajax game it more fondly than I do the worthington cup win. Sorry about that.

Does it upset you that much that I would rather endless seasons like the last one at the lane and no trophy over grinding out a carling cup win? (as if they are the two choices anyway). I think youve got your knickers in a twist over what was mostly a football philosophy debate. I dont put trophies or bragging or 'history' near the top of my agenda, you do. You'll soon get over someone on the internet not sharing your opinion of football, dont take it personal.

how do you benefit from something being 'historic' as a simple supporter anyway?
 

CowInAComa

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Aug 31, 2012
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So you think they’d remember one of the most painful “nearly” moments of their lives with more fondness than actually winning a trophy?

You really are out of touch. Have a lie down mate.

Oh no, Someone has a difference of opinion to you. I would rather play in a champions league final, than win a carling cup final. There i said it.

You are probably gonna need to take a lie down yourself after hearing that dissenting opinion.
 

felmani26

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Jan 1, 2008
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Where did I say we shouldnt give him a chance. Ive never once said that, I fully expect he will be given time. I was mostly engaging in this discussion about what constitute success and what would be a reasonable price to pay for a trophy, given past and present experience of how he operates.

I was engaging in a debate about him on a discussion forum in a thread titled Jose Mourinho. I didnt realise it was a Jose Mourinho appreciation speech thread instead, i just thought it was for debate and discussion. I actually have been pleasantly surprised by his initial charisma and have literally stated that results alone(if not performance) warrant seeing what he can do with time.

though Its good to know we have true supporters like you all who will defend to the death any slur on the absolute correctness of every one of his tactical decisions. its not weird at all you take it so very personally.
Not taken it personally whatsoever but feel free to quote me on where I 'defend to the death any slur on the absolute correctness of every one of his tactical decisions' - whatever that means to you.
 

Ionman34

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Jun 1, 2011
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Nope. I dont think you know the point I am making or the context which I made that post. It was clearly referring to a tangential conversation thread regarding what is most memorable or enjoyable as a fan (matches/moments/trophies), not as a proof of some swashbuckling pinnacle of the Spurs way or Poch's football. So your conclusion is way off base.

The Champions League run was smack bang in the middle of the rot setting in and the football was mostly awful. Certainly in the league. No argument from me. Doesnt change the point that I will remember the Ajax game it more fondly than I do the worthington cup win. Sorry about that.

Does it upset you that much that I would rather endless seasons like the last one at the lane and no trophy over grinding out a carling cup win? (as if they are the two choices anyway). I think youve got your knickers in a twist over what was mostly a football philosophy debate. I dont put trophies or bragging or 'history' near the top of my agenda, you do. You'll soon get over someone on the internet not sharing your opinion of football, dont take it personal.

how do you benefit from something being 'historic' as a simple supporter anyway?
You seem to want to make out everyone who responds to you with a rebuttal is upset. Classic projectionism.

The simple fact is that you have claimed that certain "moments" in games are more memorable than Cup wins. It's absolute tosh as the vast majority on here would agree with. I wonder how many would come out with "I was there when Hoddle chipped the Watford keeper," rather than " I was there when Neilsen won us the Cup."
I was there for both, I know which memory gave me the most pleasure.

Nor do I brag about our trophies, I take pleasure in them and the memories they evoke. They are historic and glorious for our club and, as a supporter, I get to bask in that. That's part of the joy of being affiliated with a successful team, it lifts your spirits, it brings you joy well beyond the moment because you actually achieved something beyond a mercurial moment. It's not fleeting as it remains forever in the history books and provides a sense of pride. We have fans who are proud of our achievements in '61 and they weren't even born then. They didn't see the Football, they don't know what the moments were, they weren't entertained by it, but they feel the sense of pride. That is the legacy of a winning side.

You'd like us to be remembered like the Dutch side of the 70's, the greatest Football team to win nothing. The thing is, they are remembered as an aside, the narrative being what they should have won, not what they did. The memories are all tinged with bitterness because they won nothing.

I wonder if you're in the majority or the minority here. Actually I don't, I know exactly where you stand.
 

Ionman34

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Jun 1, 2011
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Oh no, Someone has a difference of opinion to you. I would rather play in a champions league final, than win a carling cup final. There i said it.

You are probably gonna need to take a lie down yourself after hearing that dissenting opinion.
You really are on another planet.

So you truly do believe they'd have fonder memories of that painful loss than they would of a triumphant win?

Absolute space cadet.
 

doctor stefan Freud

the tired tread of sad biology
Sep 2, 2013
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I suggest anyone currently unhappy with shit right now dedicate the rest of this season reading Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s The Gulag Archipelago. That might change your perspective.

It’s like Brave New World but with ice and tyranny
 

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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Speaking of his time at Inter, I just read the below interview from Jose back then. Think you may find interesting. Sorry if already posted.

"At Inter Milan, my agreement with them was that the first season was to keep that dominance in Italian football – to win the title for the third consecutive time. But, at the same time, to fill the need for the Champions League.

"To do the second part, we needed to bring the team to the next level.

"That first season, I waited and waited until the moment we were knocked out of the Champions League by Manchester United. That was the moment when I told the owner and the sports director: 'For me, this is what we need.'

"We were a team that, defensively, was phenomenal in a low block. But we needed to bring the line 20 metres higher, to make the team much more dominant, to press higher. To help with that, we needed a fast central defender – that was crucial for us.

"The work the club did that summer was phenomenal.

"Sometimes, simplicity is genius and complexity is to hide that you are not good enough. At Inter, we had a simple structure in the club and so, even when my immediate choice, Ricardo Carvalho, was not possible, they found the perfect solution: Lucio. He was fast. Really fast. He would give us exactly what we needed.

"After that, we had to improve our passing quality in midfield. We had fantastic players there: Javier Zanetti, Dejan Stankovic, Sulley Muntari. But we needed to be more dominant. To be more in control.

"For that, we needed something different. Wesley Sneijder was the key for us.

"Inter had not won the European Cup or Champions League for almost 50 years.

"I felt the key moment came against Chelsea in the last 16. To come to Stamford Bridge and win there was the moment people started to believe. Started to feel that we had a team capable of winning it. That moment was the click that the team needed.

"The moment when the psychological wall started to crumble.

"Winning that Champions League was a fantastic achievement. It was not an easy way to do it – we were not exactly lucky in the draws. But we went into that competition with ambition and an incredible team that allowed us to deliver what the club wanted."

- José Mourinho

You can imagine something similar may happen this coming summer, with another quick centre back brought in, along with all the other areas we need to bolster (FBs, DM, striker)
Great find!! Just goes to show that Jose is very good at identifying the missing pieces. Think he's got much more work to do here mind.

Normally I'd be looking forward to seeing what Jose does with the team over the next couple of months but since injuries have robbed us of that, I have to say I'm looking forward to the summer. I imagine he's already got the players he wants in mind, whether or not Levy goes and gets them is another thing.

But I do think as we don't have the funds of United, Jose isn't going to be demanding 100m players, he's likely going to have to rely on his scouting network and agents - get more players like Bergwijn.

I'm really pining to see Kane and Bergwijn together. Think they could form a great understanding.
 

guiltyparty

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Sep 21, 2005
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Ultimately I want him to do well of course I do but his negativity is becoming slightly suffocating. Not the tactics but his general demeanour and language - not sure what the goal of his constantly running the players down is beyond self preservation. as I really don’t think the fans need their expectations managed.

I can’t think of another modern manager who takes such a dour approach and “I wish the season was over” standpoint when there’s still so much to play for. It really is the total opposite of Pochettino’s “you just have to believe” messaging.

The players must be pretty confused. Already seems a long time ago he was joking with ball boys and cracking smiles at press conferences. “Spurs without Kane and Son is like Liverpool without Salah and Mane”... erm they beat Barcelona 4-0 without them, what’s your point? Maybe it’s not just the personnel, it’s the managerial approach yeah?

Following Spurs isn’t remotely fun anymore, it’s a slog, and that’s predominantly down to our smacked-arse pied piper. Cheer up love, it might never happen.
 
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ToDarrenIsToDo

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Ultimately I want him to do well of course I do but his negativity is becoming slightly suffocating. Not the tactics but his general demeanour and language - not sure what the goal of his constantly running the players down is beyond self preservation. as I really don’t think the fans need their expectations managed.

I can’t think of another modern manager who takes such a dour approach and “I wish the season was over” standpoint when there’s still so much to play for. It really is the total opposite of Pochettino’s “you just have to believe” messaging.

The players must be pretty confused. Already seems a long time ago he was joking with ball boys and cracking smiles at press conferences. “Spurs without Kane and Son is like Liverpool without Salah and Mane”... erm they beat Barcelona 4-0 without them, what’s your point? Maybe it’s not just the personnel, it’s the managerial approach yeah?

Following Spurs isn’t remotely fun anymore, it’s a slog, and that’s predominantly down to our smacked-arse pied piper. Cheer up love, it might never happen.

Jose Mourinho's dour approach = 25 trophies won

Pochettinos "you just have to believe" approach = 0 trophies won

It's a transitional moment, most are usually a slog so why not suck it up and remember that it's just a game and enjoy it for what it is? Your football club playing football
 

Shanks

Kinda not anymore....
May 11, 2005
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He needs the time to rebuild his way, it’s as simple as that.

mot took Klopp 4 seasons to win something, now look where Liverpool are. Poch has 5 years and whilst doing consistent, he didn’t win anything and left us in a bit of a mess.

furthermore, when we look into things a bit more - we have no strikers, noone to hold the ball up etc etc

nothing can be done about that currently, so accept it, support the lads and hope for the best.

mourinho knows how to win, I’m not sure we’ve ever had a manager quiteNat his level before, so for all the moaning about not winning a trophy - we have that chance now, but we need to be a little patient.
 

sidford

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I said it at the time he was appointed I didn't want Jose as manager (I will admit it I was one of the 65 in the poll) but I accepted he's a true winner and will bring that mentality to the squad and club.
Ok the results have been about as decent as you could expect given the injuries and the mess that he took over so no real complaints there.
I do recognise that this season is more about results than style of play so no real issues with that and wouldn't judge him on that until probably after Christmas next season.

The one thing that has disappointed me is this constant defeatist talk about how we can't do any better because Kane was out, then it was because Davies was missing and now it's because Kane and Son are both out. Yep we all absolutely get losing Kane and Son is huge but not like it's never happened before to us. His statements about having no bullets to fight with, can't wait till 1st July (has said that repeatedly) etc isn't the mentality of a winner and Can't be instilling confidence in the players who are playing as their manager us publicly stating at every given opportunity that essentially they aren't good enough to win games without 2 key players and if we concede first we're in big trouble.

It will be very interesting hearing stuff in the future from these players as to how that type of talk affected them - that won't come out till Jose goes but I do think it will be talked about whenever he does leave the club.
 

Lennon1981

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Jun 30, 2011
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What actually is this point about lol You've gone to the depths or arguing about viewing figures and English players played in the CL final...all because you're trying to discredit a manager who is known for winning, this is pure and utter filler I've never read anything so petty in order to point score - I mean...what are you even arguing about :D

To be fair I don’t know how it chit to this nor why everyone is getting their knickers in a twist.

My original point was that I preferred the twin title challenges, the football we played culminating in a losing champions league final than I did the shit that we had to watch under Ramos or graham even though both ended with a trophy.

People are willing to take a trophy along with dire football it seems because in my opinion that’s what you get with Jose. That would be acceptable I guess if it was the league or the champions league. But to put up with a season of shit football and parking the buss against Norwich and Southampton for a league cup... fuck that shit.

That was my point.
 

rez9000

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And I’ll stand by that. Humiliating the European champions with Bale in full flow. I’d put beating Real Madrid at Wembley up there too. Watching your team spank the best in the world playing amazing football.

Those nights did more for us as a club than beating Nottingham forest in the fa cup
Essentially what you're saying is you'd rather beat the best in the world than be the best in the world.

Understood.
 

Lennon1981

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I don't understand why you've such disdain for the domestic cups.
I hate to say it but you're the epitome of a modern football fan. It's all about who's on the cover of the next Fifa game and how many of our shirts you see when you're on holiday.
The Champions League, as wonderful as it's been for us, really is destroying the English game and the mindset of the fans.

If Champions League is the be all and end all, why do people even bother supporting their local teams. Let's just close them all down and focus on the big, rich clubs.

Wrong on so many levels.

And you my friend are the epitome of an old timer, afraid to move with the times.

Football has changed like it or not. What you need to remember is while modern football fans might get on your tits. We live in a world of modern players too.

They no longer grow up dreaming of an fa cup final at Wembley.

An fa cup win won’t get you the best players.and it won’t keep you the best players. Harry Kane isn’t going to stay because we win a domestic cup. But if we look like we are challenging for the champions league and or league then he just might.
 
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