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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

dtxspurs

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I completely buy in that he's hamstrung with injuries etc, but there does come a point where you just have to come to terms with it.

City have played without Aguero or Jesus before. If I were Jose I'd secretly be watching tapes of teams playing with a false 9 instead of trying to convert bergwijn and Lucas to strikers.

With Alli, Lucas, Lo Celso, Berwijn, Lamela and Sessegnon there is enough there to sort something.

If we don't we have 3 months of 'I don't have any strikers' after every loss

Not to mention the fact we didn't sign a striker in January was absolutely criminal
Chelsea started the game without their two top scorers (Abraham & Batshuayi) and what most would call their best 2 wingers (Willian & Pulisic) not to mention no Kante and still beat the shit out of us. As a matter of fact out of their top 6 scorers this season only 2 were on the pitch in Jorginho & Mount.
 

danielneeds

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Which is why he should go if there’s no improvement in performance by the end of the season. IMO.
He won’t, though. We know that. He’s on a big contract and He’ll have completely guilt-tripped Levy into believing that nothing could be done because of the injuries.
 
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No, he’s made you believe that that this is the best that can be done with a depleted squad. We’ve got three injuries. Alright, two of them are our biggest goal scorers, but we have a lot of fit players.

He’s got the fan base convinced the only way to approach matches is sitting there deep as hell, passively waiting to be fucked by any team we play. It’s bullshit. You haven’t got goal scorers? OK, be proactive and manufacture turnovers. Control midfield. There are lots of ways we could play.

Not at all. I watch football with my eyes. I see two poor full backs, an ageing centre half partnership, the non entity in winks who for me is an obvious weakness and no striker. Where we are in the league is about right and we are no better than that, we have some.good players and a basis of a good team but unless we fix the obvious holes we will continue to be 2nd rate. All on the owners to back a world class proven manager.
 

fortworthspur

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No, he’s made you believe that that this is the best that can be done with a depleted squad. We’ve got three injuries. Alright, two of them are our biggest goal scorers, but we have a lot of fit players.

He’s got the fan base convinced the only way to approach matches is sitting there deep as hell, passively waiting to be fucked by any team we play. It’s bullshit. You haven’t got goal scorers? OK, be proactive and manufacture turnovers. Control midfield. There are lots of ways we could play.
k. who's going to control midfield? your choice for the base 2 is Winks, TN, Skipp, Dier and Gedson. I'd love it to happen, but it seems unlikely.
 

King of Otters

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He won’t, though. We know that. He’s on a big contract and He’ll have completely guilt-tripped Levy into believing that nothing could be done because of the injuries.

I don’t think that’s guaranteed. Levy sacked our best manager in a generation a few months after the CL final.

He’s basically Michael Corleone at this point.
 

danielneeds

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Not at all. I watch football with my eyes. I see two poor full backs, an ageing centre half partnership, the non entity in winks who for me is an obvious weakness and no striker. Where we are in the league is about right and we are no better than that, we have some.good players and a basis of a good team but unless we fix the obvious holes we will continue to be 2nd rate. All on the owners to back a world class proven manager.
Nah, you give this squad to a manager with an idea of playing and a vision and you’d immediately see an improvement in a lot of the players who look like they’re not sure what they should be doing on the pitch at the moment.
 

Thewobbler

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Tottenham manager Jose Mourinho has suggested he needs his young players to work on their 'emotional control' as he left Republic of Ireland striker Troy Parrott out of his squad for Saturday's game at Chelsea.

With Harry Kane and Son Heung-min out of action for an extended period, Mourinho has bemoaned his lack of striking options and yet he continues to insist 18-year-old Parrott is 'not ready' to play first-team football.

Mourinho handed Parrott his Premier League debut in December and has yet to pick him since that nine-minute cameo against Burnley, with Mourinho seemingly contradicting himself when he suggested some in his position pick young players just to tick a box and confirm they are open to handing youthful performer a chance.

"Some managers do it for the stats. They play them once then that's it," he said when asked about Parrott, even though that is precisely what he appears to have done with the 18-year-old Irishman.

"When a player is ready and has the talent, the emotional control, I would love to have a striker in this moment in these conditions."

So troy needs to work on controlling his emotions before he gets another chance.
 

Johnny J

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Aug 18, 2012
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Any coach would struggle coming in mid-season with our stale, injury ravaged squad. Currently we have no strikers, ageing/ spent centre backs, average to crap full backs, no defensive midfielder and our main CM is seriously unfit. Perhaps someone like Klopp would get us pressing a bit better but with the current players available I think even he'd have a massive job trying to get us scoring and winning games at the moment.

This squad is near enough done. Yes we've made some exciting signings like Lo Celso and Stevie but the nucleus of the squad is past it's sell by date. 18 months of under-investment not only meant no new players coming in. A big side effect was that some of the existing players have become de-motivated, complacent and are no longer good enough or are over-the-hill.

This isn't a dig at you - more a general point. People should stop blaming the coaches - be it Poch or Jose - and start looking a bit higher up if we want to understand why the club has regressed on the pitch over the last couple of years.
It's fucking negligent that the squad was allowed to get into this state. We need to replace half of it, it's ridiculous.
 

Ronwol196061

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Listened to the post game presser
Mourinho is totally correct. But I think his whole presser is for Daniel Levy to hear and to understand
I read between the lines I hope Levy got the message
 

alfie103

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Nah, you give this squad to a manager with an idea of playing and a vision and you’d immediately see an improvement in a lot of the players who look like they’re not sure what they should be doing on the pitch at the moment.

You overestimate how good our players are. They haven't got the close control or passing abilities to keep the ball under pressure. How many times did players miscontrol it or make a poor pass.

You can try and play all of the flowing football you want but if players can't control the ball or make passes to teammates then there's not much you can do.
 
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Nah, you give this squad to a manager with an idea of playing and a vision and you’d immediately see an improvement in a lot of the players who look like they’re not sure what they should be doing on the pitch at the moment.



Don't agree. No manager could do anything with this lot that played today. Too many weaknesses in key positions. We just haven't got the personel. Poor left back in davies, a kid at right back because our first choice is a lunatic, poor old verts who'd clearly finished at this level a nothing player in winks who is supposed to offer some sort of protection to the back 4 but can't tackle and is weak, then at the other end we have no striker and no outlet. No way another manager could do better.
 

Graysonti

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i Said it before we got him that JM was not the right man in fact almost the opposite of what we needed. Managers like the Leipzig coach show how today you need to be adventurous. Certainly also he has the Poch philosophy good young players. Poch knew certain players were past it but we failed to make suitable purchases until the last few players ... then get rid of Poch instead of going through with a rebuild and giving Poch the rest of this season. I am convinced we would be at least where we are now if we had made no management changes.

However as much as I don’t like Mourinho’s style of football whilst he is our manager I route for him to win. He won’t be here long whatever happens and we have put up with decades of this mediocre stuff before.

Poch was a lucky appointment but JM is more like the usual DL choice ... see Ramos, AVB etc. Maybe JM will be lucky and the other teams will continue to be as bad as us

Get over it mate - Poch was total toilet at the end - rubbish. Totally burnt out. Just fucking stop you embarrassment
 

Ronwol196061

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Don't agree. No manager could do anything with this lot that played today. Too many weaknesses in key positions. We just haven't got the personel. Poor left back in davies, a kid at right back because our first choice is a lunatic, poor old verts who'd clearly finished at this level a nothing player in winks who is supposed to offer some sort of protection to the back 4 but can't tackle and is weak, then at the other end we have no striker and no outlet. No way another manager could do better.
I agree. Also NDombele you didnt mention him and I dont think Mourinho did either in the post presser. He is not courageous enough by far. I think he is supremely talented,its like having the finest food in the world inserted into a container of Jello.
He holds the key to our midfield success. Winks is good but isnt top notch defensively and disappointing passing wise. How is this manager meant to play with that along with the forward injuries and a tough Sissoko being injured.
 
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fletch82

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But did he have a bad game or was it more the tactics. Dele gets judged harshly

I watched it
I wasnt impressed
Like maureen said we improved after the sub.
Where's the argument ?
Players get subbed it happens its football why throw a hissy fit
 

Seafordian Spurs

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A few thoughts if anyone is interested.

We've heard that Jose has developed a 'new style' of football. Not sure Jose genuinely has though apart from a refinement of his traditional approach. Being at Spurs makes me think that with our comparative/relative lack of financial clout, Jose won't be playing expansive football any time soon - if anything for the aforementioned reason, he will be sticking to his underdog guns. So let's just accept this for the duration of his tenure.

There's no way he signed up for this ever thinking he'd be in the business end of the season and in two Cup comps without Kane and Son. No manager would ever have taken the Spurs job and thought about winning anything without these guys let alone Sissoko. Basically, injuries have done for us. That and him finding out that Dier and Dele are no where near what they were a season or two ago.

Those calling to sack him are deluded. At this precise moment in time, Jose stinks of yesterday's man but that's Twitter for you. He has come in to a club who might be doing the business in a progressive and sustainable way off the pitch but are deeply flawed on it. Tough, tough job.

Give him time and another window or two.

We have glimpses of what could be (the beating of City in that classic Jose way) which render defeats more frustrating. But this season is a write off and results like City are the exception. Mainly, we're crap and that's to be expected for now.

I trust things will be better much better next season.

My genuine concern is Ndombele.
 

danielneeds

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You overestimate how good our players are. They haven't got the close control or passing abilities to keep the ball under pressure. How many times did players miscontrol it or make a poor pass.

You can try and play all of the flowing football you want but if players can't control the ball or make passes to teammates then there's not much you can do.
So you don’t think Toby, Jan, Winks, Lo Celso, Ndombele, Bergwijn can control a football?

I’ll leave out Lucas, because I’m not sure he can half the time.

Chelsea weren’t exactly a well-oiled pressing machine today.
 

muppetman

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I think you can understand the difficulties facing Jose and the team and yet still be disappointed in the quality of football being produced.
 

The Apprentice

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Of course we’re willing to give him the time that’s required, but his defeatist attitude and comments are becoming tiresome. It’s bound to permeate to the players and becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

Get some fighting attitude Jose.
 
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I agree. Also NDombele you didnt mention hom and I dont think Mourinho did either in the post presser. He is not courageous enough by far. I think he is supremely talented,its like having the finest food in the world inserted into a container of Jello.
He holds the key to our midfield success. Winks is good but isnt top notch defensively and disappointing passing wise. How is this manager meant to play with that along with the forward injuries and a tough Sissoko being injured.

I wouldn't say winks is good. This will be unpopular because I know how many spurs fans rate him, why I do not know. He's a nothing player for me, typical English overhyped. 2 goals and next to zero assists in 4 years at 24 years old from midfield is appalling. Offers nothing defensively as a shield for the back 4. No where near good enough to be first choice for us. As for ndombele it's clear there is a very good player in there world class even but he's not fit or hasn't come to terms with the physicality of the PL, he needs time. But if we want to achieve anything an upgrade on winks is an absolutely necessity for me. It's really key
 
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