Jose Mourinho

[FinnYid]

because he brought in Jose?

Well he could have brought in Pep or Klopp and it wouldn't have covered his actions on transfer front. Everyone is welcome to come up with working attacking plan on these tools, If they do, they have future on top of the game.

 

[dtxspurs]

also saying "never" to Giroud, not that he would've been sold to us. the guy is still a handful.

Yeah I was wrong about that one personally. Watching Lucas and dele try to hold up the ball is fucking painful.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Probably true. I just look at those two lineups and don’t understand how we can’t look better than we are.

Oh that I agree. I have big issues with Jose's brand of football and when the players are confused by exactly where they are supposed to be due to constantly changing tactics (4231,442,352) and injuries to our forward line it is inevitable we are going to get completely out played. I guess none of our players are used to playing this brand of football so it's going to take a long time until they figure it out. If they do. Personally, despite our injuries, I would still like to see us sitting higher up the pitch and showing some fight. But we will never do that for a full 90 (20 mins when we are loosing is bet we will get) so it's almost waisted energy wanting Jose to do it.

 

[fortworthspur]

Yeah I was wrong about that one personally. Watching Lucas and dele try to hold up the ball is fucking painful.

haha, didnt know you were in that crowd. wasnt taking a shot at ya.

 

[Hercules]

Opinions is one thing, but irrationality is another. Lamela not fit, as JM said in his presser, TN still struggling with injury that he has had all season. Our now 2 main strikers out, Moussa out. I just cannot understand what people expect with the football we have to watch. We have pundits chipping in now. Let’s just sack JM now then. Why the f can we not just be grateful we are not in a relegation scrap. That is how it was when he come in. We were extremely offensive early doors, until injuries crept in.

This season I take what we get, and hope for changes in the summer. Only then can you judge him.

 

[FinnYid]

Now the question is should we go for any retired donkey striker who is free agent or is that too much for Daniels pride?

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

Well he could have brought in Pep or Klopp and it wouldn't have covered his actions on transfer front. Everyone is welcome to come up with working attacking plan on these tools, If they do, they have future on top of the game.

I agree that much of this has come down to inactivity from Levy. The lack of investment has probably seen off Poch (among other things) and is going to make qualifying for the CL again tough.

But the set up today was pathetic. No aggression. No organisation. No plan. That’s on the manager.

 

[dtxspurs]

Opinions is one thing, but irrationality is another. Lamela not fit, as JM said in his presser, TN still struggling with injury that he has had all season. Our now 2 main strikers out, Moussa out. I just cannot understand what people expect with the football we have to watch. We have pundits chipping in now. Let’s just sack JM now then. Why the f can we not just be grateful we are not in a relegation scrap. That is how it was when he come in. We were extremely offensive early doors, until injuries crept in.

This season I take what we get, and hope for changes in the summer. Only then can you judge him.

One main striker and a winger.

 

[mpickard2087]

What I don't like though is the effectively giving up because we're lacking options up top. It's one thing for fans to be sat around crying about it but when it's those who can do something about it.... well, fuck. Personally I think at this point you work hardest for solutions. Surely those situations are, in your chosen profession of football management, the moments you should be relishing working under and showing everyone what you can do.

Shit that is unforgivable though is that I saw countless times last night where we eventually found ourselves with the ball at our feet and said player had to stop as nothing happened in front of him, forwards just stood gormlessly, and usually then lost the ball. That person looks bad, but they need options.

I know it's difficult when you're under the cosh and sat so deep, I know options are limited and we've lost our two first choice attackers, but with that being the case the No.1 basic thing I'd expect this week would be for Mourinho and co. absolutely drilling it into Moura (and others, but he was the guy up front primarily) stuff like that as soon as we got the ball he just had to spin and run forwards for a ball over the top or down the channel. At least give some semblance of an out ball and see if they can deal with the ball played in behind and someone with a bit of pace chasing it hard.

Some of it has to go on the player, I'm not sure how some of these top professionals have got to that level without any instinct or nous or game awareness or anticipation or ability to think and be proactive, but for the many millions we are paying the manager it is also piss poor coaching.

That's what I said the other day post-Leipzig, it still applies. If you know what the predicament is then the no.1 focus is surely how to mitigate that and at least attempt to find ways to overcome it. But they've gone out on the pitch and just gone through the motions. Moura or Bergwijn stood up top, but I don't see any semblance of what we're trying to do. No patterns of play going on, no specific runs to offer an out ball, no looking to work the ball through certain players in certain areas, etc. Just zero evidence of any plan of how to go about our work. Even with eleven park league players you can do that.

If you plead desperate times, try desperate creative measures. What have you got to lose. Lets at least see some pointers towards having plans of how to attack teams. If you need a striker consider the academy players, beggars cant be choosers. If the direct ball is a big part of the game and we need it to build off, get very radical, work through to plan x, y, and z if need be. Put a Sanchez, a Dier, a Tanganga who's keen as fuck and will challenge for everything and run around a lot, up front if needs be. Put Gazzaniga up there if he's the tallest we've got. Get Peter Crouch out of the studio. Scan the crowd for someone 8ft tall and get a kit on him if needs be.....

That's an extreme, and silly, example to use, but my point stands. Fucking hate managers of all clubs who have a few problems and their teams go out moping about feeling sorry for themselves instead of trying everything and anything to overcome, gain an advantage, and hopefully win football matches. For the many millions they're all paid I personally don't think it's good enough to just accept your fate and pretty much go through the motions.

 

[wrd]

I think he's done very well to get us this far, if you had offered me 4 points off 4th at this point after where we were when he took over, I'd have taken it, I still think we can and will get top4 or possibly 5th which might be enough. However I hate to see what I saw today, us sitting off in a derby like sitting ducks waiting to be punished. I hope we don't see the set up we had again, I think the lack of a clinical striker means we actually have to take more risk because we won't be as clinical with our chances.

I really do believe there is more quality in the squad than the past 2 performances would indicate and I what I don't want to see is us carrying on the season like we're resigned to failure because we're missing 2 players. Even if we aren't successful this season let's at least go out swinging.

 

[tototoner]

Pochettino shouldn't be mentioned in this thread at all, he's gone, he's history as far as we are concerned.

Using the excuse that performances or results were worse under him is just sugar coating the mess of a team we are right now. I'd compare it to the sitting Government blaming all their problems and inadequacies on the previous regime.

 

[coys200]

How the F did he win all those trophies. He’s only 57 not 80. How has he completely lost any semblance of being a top manager.

 

[wrd]

What I don't like though is the effectively giving up because we're lacking options up top. Personally I think at this point you work hardest for solutions. Surely those situations are, in your chosen profession of football management, the moments you should be relishing working under and showing everyone what you can do.




That's what I said the other day post-Leipzig, it still applies. If you know what the predicament is then the no.1 focus is surely how to mitigate that and at least attempt to find ways to overcome it. But they've gone out on the pitch and just gone through the motions. Moura or Bergwijn stood up top, but I don't see any semblance of what we're trying to do. No patterns of play going on, no specific runs to offer an out ball, no looking to work the ball through certain players in certain areas, etc. Just zero evidence of any plan of how to go about our work. Even with eleven park league players you can do that.

If you plead desperate times, try desperate creative measures. What have you got to lose. Lets at least see some pointers towards having plans of how to attack teams. If you need a striker consider the academy players, beggars cant be choosers. If the direct ball is a big part of the game and we need it to build off, get very radical, work through to plan x, y, and z if need be. Put a Sanchez, a Dier, a Tanganga who's keen as fuck and will challenge for everything and run around a lot, up front if needs be. Put Gazzaniga up there if he's the tallest we've got. Get Peter Crouch out of the studio. Scan the crowd for someone 8ft tall and get a kit on him if needs be.....

That's an extreme, and silly, example to use, but my point stands. Fucking hate managers of all clubs who have a few problems and their teams go out moping about feeling sorry for themselves instead of trying everything and anything to overcome, gain an advantage, and hopefully win football matches. For the many millions they're all paid I personally don't think it's good enough to just accept your fate and pretty much go through the motions.

Exactly my sentiment too, you're meant to come out of difficult situations stronger, turn shit situations into greater moments of glory.

 

[FinnYid]

I agree that much of this has come down to inactivity from Levy. The lack of investment has probably seen off Poch (among other things) and is going to make qualifying for the CL again tough.

But the set up today was pathetic. No aggression. No organisation. No plan. That’s on the manager.

Can't blame manager too much as there can be no winning plan with these tools. Well apart from defending and some lucky counter attack based on speed, but even that would be lot easier with someone as target man.

 

[aliyid]

Everybody is pointing to Kane/Son being out but the bigger concern is behind these two. We don’t hold onto the ball or knock it around anymore.

Feels like Jose has seen a ted talk about there being on average less than 5 passes before a goal is scored so he wants to get it forward before we’ve hit 5 passes

 

[Wadec]

OK so if results continue to get worse and we're obviously going to finish mid-table, do you think Mourinho will try try diifferent things then; expansive football and give the like of Skipp, Parrottt etc. a chance? No, I doubt it.

Results continue to get worse? We are 10 points closer to top 4 than when he took over.

He has answered on Parrott already and the vibe is he is not at the required mental level yet. Skipp I would love to get some minutes but in all honesty he played the 3 midfielders everyone was crying out for.

As I said before, you cannot expect a team to play expansive football when you cannot put together a proper 11. Players are playing put of position and putting a shift in for us whilst running on fumes we havent played good expansive football for over a year and I dont think we can expect to until we have a full squad to choose from and not such a busy schedule.

 

[SugarRay]

Well he could have brought in Pep or Klopp and it wouldn't have covered his actions on transfer front. Everyone is welcome to come up with working attacking plan on these tools, If they do, they have future on top of the game.

Serge, lone target man. Trust me

 

[fortworthspur]

3-4-3 today, so 7 guys out there with defensive responsibilities and yet they managed 17 shots. not to beat a dead horse but we arent going to have the lovely free flowing offense we'd like with whats available. the defensive shape is going to have to improve.

 

[Thewobbler]

Should have went for zlatan when he was free.

 

[homer hotspur]

Hasn’t given Skipp one second of match time yet. Obviously does not think he’s ready

Has said he does not think Parrott is ready

Jose could not give a toss about pride/reputation or anything else. All he is interested in is points

But what does he know. Only one of the greatest managers in history

All the pundits and supporters know better though!!

This is a bit different as we literally have no strikers. Parrott is clearly a natural goalscorer and I would rather see him come on and try to get on the end of a half chance than the other subs.