Jose Mourinho

[Deleted member 27995]

I like the way people are forgetting that the last Spurs team managed by Poch who played a top German team ( with both Kane and Son in it btw) got dicked 7-2.

Yeah but we looked really good for half an hour so it's okay, you could see the pathway.

 

[dagraham]

Yeah but we looked really good for half an hour so it's okay, you could see the pathway.

Agree...... I could see the pathway to losing quite clearly.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Agree...... I could see the pathway to losing quite clearly.

We gave it a good go though, at least you remember getting stuffed at home that heavily, good times.

 

[THOWIG]

Just some things for people who are all angry and bitter:

1 - Mourinho has been in charge for just under 3 months.......that's it.
2 - He has had one Winter Transfer window.....that's it.
3 - He has lost his two best players in Kane & Son - imagine Liverpool without Mane & Salah......
4 - Apart from Liverpool & Man City (who both have insanely expensive squads), he has won more points than any other manager since taking over.
5 - Our defence has improved since before he joined. Under Poch we conceded 27 goals in 18 games at a rate of 1.5g/g. Under Mourinho we have conceded 28 goals in 21 games at a rate of 1.3g/g.
6 - Our points tally has drastically improved from Poch at 1.2p/g to Mourinho at 1.8p/g (doing this without Kane for the most part).

Final point, for those stating that Mourinho only wins with money, that can be labelled at every manager who has had sustained victories. Look at Klopp, widely regarded as the greatest coach in the world, who has the worlds most expensive GK & CB, Wijnaldum at £25m, Ox at £35m Fabinho at £40m, Keita at £50m, Mane at £37m, Salah at £45m & Firmino at £36m. Just adding these players alone (there are 9 other signings he has made that add up to £100m), it totals £405m, which is an insane amount. With all players, over half a billion pounds spent....!

I think he deserves time and the band wagon people jump on as soon as we struggle in a game is getting seriously boring. It may almost be worth someone starting the "Lets moan about Mourinho" thread so that the rest of us don't have to scroll through pages and pages of "this is what I was worried about...." or "typical anti football Mourinho...." or "this/that manager would be better.....".

He's worked his magic on you. 3 months is enough to improve one aspect of the team. We look so devoid of ideas, movement, creativity. Last night was embarrassing. Nagelsmann showed him up last night. It's not a band wagon. This has been a steady decline for a few years

 

[dimiSpur]

I can't wait till the season is over. The football we are playing is terrible with the players we got, even injured. GLC, Ndombele, Alli, Moura, Bergwijn, Lamela, Aurier, Davies, Winks can play decent football if they're instructed to do so, but they're told to sit back and hoof the ball only to invite more pressure and then pray we can do something on the counter. Not my type of football.
I miss the time where we used to play like RBL.

I was never excited getting Jose in the first time, but that's how it is and we will have to stick with it.
I will support him for now, but if next season doesn't get much better, with backings in the summer, i'll sharp my knives.

We did play some nice football in the last 20-25 minutes.

What you or other likeminded people are forgetting is that to play on the front foot, you have to apply so much energy. You have to press high and win the ball back quickly to boss games. We have 12-13 outfield players at present, and 2-3 of them can't play a full 90 mins (Lamela, Ndombele). So we can't play 90 mins like that. It's inevitable that we'll end up being pushed back.

It's no coincidence that one of our better performences was Villa away (regardless of their quality, or lack of it) where we enjoyed large portions of control in the game, came after a period of rest.

Did you think the same players that played on Sunday were going to come out and outpress and show more energy than a fresh, vibrant Leipzig team?

Ideally, we'd play like we did in the last 20 for 90 minutes, but the point is we can't do that.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

He's worked his magic on you. 3 months is enough to improve one aspect of the team. We look so devoid of ideas, movement, creativity. Last night was embarrassing. Nagelsmann showed him up last night. It's not a band wagon. This has been a steady decline for a few years

He has, we're winning football games and he's managed to drag us back into contention for the top four (something I didn't think was possible) - not sure what else you were expecting considering the state of the mentality of the squad when he took over.

 

[Cheltenham Spur]

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A key question for me:

"Why is their defending so full of mistakes, in the individual and tactical sense? How, when those players sit so deep, do they still give up so much space and so many overloads?"

Aurier

 

[thebenjamin]

I watched the first games under Mourinho with some sort of exitement, looking forward to at least seeing a well organized team without the ball. At least i expected beeing overrun in midfield like we had all autmun would stop. I really didn't expect a fine tuned attacking machine, and I don't think we'll ever be that under Mourinho.

Unfortunately, that exitement turned quite fast. The Man.Utd game away is one of the worst coached games I have ever seen (how he didn't get fired after that midfield set up beats me). But still, that was early on, so no reason to panic. Then came the Chelsea game which was even worse. Watching that game hurt so bad I decided to take a little brake from watching this team (yes I know). There are so many entertaining teams to watch and life's to short to be miserable every weekend. And, I got to watch a lot of good football (Bundesliga i.e.).

Still, I have been paying attention, and I've seen the results improve. The reports haven't always been positive (lot of talk about luck and undeserved victories), but seemingly things were improving. So, yesterday I sat down again, for the first time since Chelsea. And ffs. We looked even worse than we did against Chelsea and Man Utd before christmas.

I know that Mourinho has only been here for three months, and that there are no strikers available. And both of those excuses are somewhat valid. But, there are no excuses for the defensive setup yesterday. We should have been down two goals inside the first minute, and no one could have complained if Red Bull were up by five at half time. We looked like a team that has never practiced together before, and seemed extremely unprepared. A Mourinho team, at least, used to be hard to break down, this team looked like Southend (or how I am imagining them looking). The midfield got completely overrun, and all the defence could do was throw bodies around. I really expected more from Mourinho in this area.

Offensively I'm willing to cut him some more slack, although there really are huge areas for concern. It's not Mourinhos fault that Lucas Moura really isn't good (enough), or that Dele Alli seemingly only plays well in very specific circumstances (close to a striker, and with a creator high on the pitch). But it is most certainly on Mourinho that we seemingly do not have a plan, or something looking like the start of an identity, at all. It is on Mourinho that we end up attacking with two flat lines of five. It is on Mourinho that we do not look like a team that trains together at all. It's on Mourinho that our midfield is organized in a way which makes them so easy to take out that we have no other options than hoofing, and hoping for some pure luck. And, whats even more striking to me, is that when you are without players like Kane and Son, you'd be even more looking for some sort of organization offensively. It doesn't really have to be all that advanced either, but something, just something.

We look like a team completely without an identity both offensively (somewhat understandable given the time available), and defensively (not understandable). And yesterday we were an extremely boring side to watch. I do believe that a lot of the problems are down to what Poch did or didn't do over the last year, and if Poch had left at the summer (as he should have) it would have been way easier and better. But still, I'm extremely worried. And I fear that this is what we will see for the next year and a half.

Now, this could obviously improve. And most likely it will, at least some. But, if you look at the United team he managed, and how that unfolded, there really are huge rooms for concern. That team didn't really become all that great. It turned out quite shit actually. The lack of improvement is really worrying I think.

It beats you how he wasn't fired after his 4th match in charge?

 

[THOWIG]

He has, we're winning football games and he's managed to drag us back into contention for the top four (something I didn't think was possible) - not sure what else you were expecting considering the state of the mentality of the squad when he took over.

How do any of us know what the state of the mentality is. The league aside from Liverpool has been inconsistent and poor. It's one of the weakest I can remember. He's clawed us to 5th playing awful football. He's constant negative rhetoric has started. How dare it be his fault in anyway. You can implement a style on to a team through training. If this is the best he can do then it won't be improved by new signings.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

How do any of us know what the state of the mentality is. The league aside from Liverpool has been inconsistent and poor. It's one of the weakest I can remember. He's clawed us to 5th playing awful football. He's constant negative rhetoric has started. How dare it be his fault in anyway. You can implement a style on to a team through training. If this is the best he can do then it won't be improved by new signings.

So winning isn't what football is about? Okay, keep on plugging away.

 

[Gb160]

He has, we're winning football games and he's managed to drag us back into contention for the top four (something I didn't think was possible) - not sure what else you were expecting considering the state of the mentality of the squad when he took over.

Apart from results he hasn't improved a single damn thing...he needs to sort out his priorities.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Apart from results he hasn't improved a single damn thing...he needs no sort out his priorities.

I'm livid about winning football matches, when I look back on the results of the season I'll just have to * everything and say 'but the style in which we played indicates things hadn't changed' that'll show me!

 

[Gb160]

I'm livid about winning football matches, when I look back on the results of the season I'll just have to * everything and say 'but the style in which we played indicates things hadn't changed' that'll show me!

I just want tippy tappy back.

 

[freeeki]

He's worked his magic on you. 3 months is enough to improve one aspect of the team. We look so devoid of ideas, movement, creativity. Last night was embarrassing. Nagelsmann showed him up last night. It's not a band wagon. This has been a steady decline for a few years

Really?

We had 12 shots to their 16.

5 on target each.

Possession was 44%-56%.

We defended well for most of the game, we created good chances, and we only lost because of a brain fart from Davies giving away a penalty otherwise the game would probably have ended 0-0.

Hardly indicative of the pasting the doom mongers on here said we were going to get, is it?

Won't stop them soiling themselves and screeching "we told you so", of course.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I just want tippy tappy back.

Those passing and possession stats, that'll show them all.

 

[Betha]

It beats you how he wasn't fired after his 4th match in charge?

That was an exaggeration, I'll admit to that. Still, the way he set up the team that night, and how we completely got overrun by a very mediocre Man.Utd side, did not make wonders for my belief in him.

 

[dudu]

How do any of us know what the state of the mentality is. The league aside from Liverpool has been inconsistent and poor. It's one of the weakest I can remember. He's clawed us to 5th playing awful football. He's constant negative rhetoric has started. How dare it be his fault in anyway. You can implement a style on to a team through training. If this is the best he can do then it won't be improved by new signings.

So we expect him to have built a style of football in 3 months were we have barely had a week off at a time with players constantly dropping out of systems due to injury.

How long do you think a new system takes to implement at the very highest level of professional sport?

This is not football manager. Anyone expecting some kind of new improved, all conquering Spurs at this point in his tenure maybe doesn't get how hard the job would be for anyone. How long did you give Poch before you started putting the boot in? A couple of months?

What he has done is made us harder to beat and more likely to win through whatever means he can. I personally don't care how we get there THIS season because quite frankly we have been playing awfully for ages now and if we can win and get through by just being a little more clever than the team's we play, then Jose is worth his weight in gold.

 

[JCRD]

I like the way people are forgetting that the last Spurs team managed by Poch who played a top German team ( with both Kane and Son in it btw) got dicked 7-2.

I made reference to it and certainly havent forgotten and this is a two legged tie so we have to be pragmatic. The only difference between yesterday and the Bayern game is that they didnt take their chances - Bayern did. That was the only difference. Although we created way more against Bayern than we did yesterday. I thought we competed well in that game.

I mentioned before that whenever Poch mentioned the word competing I didnt really notice it much but it feels like we arent competing - particularly in the first half yesterday. We only compete when we are down and thats been the general theme along with a few exceptions.

This isnt just a fans thing though, a lot of the match reviews from yesterday are seeing what some of us are seeing and vice versa.

 

[Danny1]

He's worked his magic on you. 3 months is enough to improve one aspect of the team. We look so devoid of ideas, movement, creativity. Last night was embarrassing. Nagelsmann showed him up last night. It's not a band wagon. This has been a steady decline for a few years

Not at all, I think there is a lot of work to be done. However, your very last sentence is exactly why he should be given time. We have been in a decline for a long long time, so why lambast the guy who is trying to fix it?

 

[THOWIG]

Really?

We had 12 shots to their 16.

5 on target each.

Possession was 44%-56%.

We defended well for most of the game, we created good chances, and we only lost because of a brain fart from Davies giving away a penalty otherwise the game would probably have ended 0-0.

Hardly indicative of the pasting the doom mongers on here said we were going to get, is it?

Won't stop them soiling themselves and screeching "we told you so", of course.

Do you honestly think we played well last night?