Jose Mourinho

[For the love of Spurs]

No manager in this world gets all their first choice on the list players, some of you are such idealists ...If he hadn't turned down numerous players perhaps we wouldn't have such a void with youth not coming through.

Don't deny that he shouldn't get some of the first choice players he wants, never disagreed with that sentiment but to suggest he shouldn't have taken any players offered ... Madison looks like a colossal fuck up as does Tielmans ... People need to stop painting Poch in a light that isn't befitting.

I have no reservations that Levy has his fingerprints over some absolute duffers when it comes to transfers but Poch created a hole for himself as well.

Well we did go out for players this summer finally. Ndombele, personally think he is a far better player than Tielemans so if that’s Poch’s choice it was correct, likewise with Lo Celso compared to Maddison. They came in late and had injuries but long term they will be the basis of our team most likely.

This summer it finally felt like Poch was backed to some degree, to little to late but if we had been doing that 1-2 seasons prior we probably wouldn’t be in this mess.

We don’t have Liverpool’s money but there is no question Klopp hasn’t been heavily backed season after season with mainly first choice players, without that any manager will struggle in a league this competitive. If we are happy with mid table then fine but if we want top 4 or more than that we have to hit our top targets and do it season after season to build a strong refreshed squad.

 

[wrd]

And so (as was my point), if he doesn't want anyone we can get during that period who is clearly good enough... (e.g. Tielemens, Maddison)

he turned down Tielemans so he could land Ndombele and Maddison repeatedly said in the past that he hated Spurs. Not exactly the worst decision making by Poch but people always wheel out those 2 names even though there was good reason neither deal happened.

 

[tiger666]

he turned down Tielemans so he could land Ndombele and Maddison repeatedly said in the past that he hated Spurs. Not exactly the worst decision making by Poch but people always wheel out those 2 names even though there was good reason never deal happened.

Did he?

 

[marion52]

The manager is certainly dividing opinion but all I will say is managers come and go but THFC has been around since1882 and will still be around in another 100 years or so and that club is who we support

 

[wrd]

Did he?

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Well we did go out for players this summer finally. Ndombele, personally think he is a far better player than Tielemans so if that’s Poch’s choice it was correct, likewise with Lo Celso compared to Maddison. They came in late and had injuries but long term they will be the basis of our team most likely.

This summer it finally felt like Poch was backed to some degree, to little to late but if we had been doing that 1-2 seasons prior we probably wouldn’t be in this mess.

We don’t have Liverpool’s money but there is no question Klopp hasn’t been heavily backed season after season with mainly first choice players, without that any manager will struggle in a league this competitive. If we are happy with mid table then fine but if we want top 4 or more than that we have to hit our top targets and do it season after season to build a strong refreshed squad.

Ah but not Maddison even though both the board and Poch knew Eriksen wasn't putting pen to paper on another contract? Tielmans and Ndombele is better than Ndombele and what we have currently (Fernades excluded) I think that short sighted planning from all concerned has landed us where we are. We should have been looking to add consistently, making those young players push the established.

On the point of Liverpool, their board have backed their manager with the turnover of players sold - both from their youth team and in Coutinho an established brand name. They did a cracking job of recruitment with that cash and I feel they also are more proactive when it comes to contract talks when trying to get that player signed on the dotted line, some thing I feel Levy is too clumsy for his own good.

Like I said, Levy creates numerous messes and doesn't fix them proactively I just dislike painting Poch as someone who didn't add to this, it'd be totally untrue considering who sat on that ridiculous transfer committee.

 

[tiger666]

You realise how easy they are to fake right?

 

[sausage]

he turned down Tielemans so he could land Ndombele and Maddison repeatedly said in the past that he hated Spurs. Not exactly the worst decision making by Poch but people always wheel out those 2 names even though there was good reason neither deal happened.

So we didn't sign anyone because it was Poch's preference not to.

(basically the point I was making)

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Anyway, none of this is helping Jose land Blackpools new forward Gary Medine is it?

This place is proper vexed tonight, so much angst.

 

[wrd]

You realise how easy they are to fake right?

I’m pretty confident they’re not faked, I seem to remember being linked directly to the tweets and Not much has been done from then until now to debunk them.

but as a bonus here’s more what a fantastic human Maddison is: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ler-boasted-7k-a-week-salary-friend-attacked/

 

[fecka]

It isnt easy but come on its not like our squad was Liverpools where we had a super high quality squad. We had glaring gaps. I know Poch said that but he wasnt going to come out and say its shit.

We are in a tricky position. Maybe it is best not aiming for CL next season, regroupa nd build a squad in the summer then go for it with no outside issues with CL etc...

Depressing to think about.

I agree that we had and still have glaring gaps.
Personally i'm not surprised at all by where we are and I had a bet with my friend in the summer that we weren't going to finish better than 7th this season and that Poch was likely to be sacked before christmas but my point is that it's all a lot more complicated than we think and we've lately been forced to shift our priorities with a new manager and a lot of long term injuries to our players.

 

[wrd]

So we didn't sign anyone because it was Poch's preference not to.

(basically the point I was making)

I think Poch saying no to two players isn’t enough to say it was Poch’s preference not to sign anyone. I mean he wanted Grealish didn’t he. It goes to show that Poch had to pick and choose his battles though as if he said yes to one thing it stopped another.

 

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No manager in this world gets all their first choice on the list players, some of you are such idealists ...If he hadn't turned down numerous players perhaps we wouldn't have such a void with youth not coming through.

Don't deny that he shouldn't get some of the first choice players he wants, never disagreed with that sentiment but to suggest he shouldn't have taken any players offered ... Madison looks like a colossal fuck up as does Tielmans ... People need to stop painting Poch in a light that isn't befitting.

I have no reservations that Levy has his fingerprints over some absolute duffers when it comes to transfers but Poch created a hole for himself as well.

Vinny, where does all this talk of Maddison and Tielemans come from mate? I remember there was some ITK that Levy was prepared to spend last January, but I don't recall any mention of those 2 players specifically. In fact there was a lot of conjecture about the size of that budget and the corresponding quality of players available. Was there ITK that we agreed fees with Norwich and Monaco only for Poch to veto the moves?

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Vinny, where does all this talk of Maddison and Tielemans come from mate? I remember there was some ITK that Levy was prepared to spend last January, but I don't recall any mention of those 2 players specifically. In fact there was a lot of conjecture about the size of that budget and the corresponding quality of players available. Was there ITK that we agreed fees with Norwich and Monaco only for Poch to veto the moves?

We scouted one from his Norwich days and Tielmans was a player talked about openly on this very site by people who then criticised the fact we didn't make a move for him ... Nothing to do with me mate, all to do with the info banded about on this site.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Have i missed why we're talking about Maddison in the Jose thread?

Regardless of what he has or hasn't tweeted I can tell you now Maddison is a t***, just watch any of his interviews, he also falls over far too much for my liking, very glad we didn't sign him, think he's overratted and would much prefer if we'd got Grealish.

Anyway Jose needs a striker not yet another average midfielder.

 

[wrd]

Have i missed why we're talking about Maddison in the Jose thread?

Regardless of what he has or hasn't tweeted I can tell you now Maddison is a t***, just watch any of his interviews, he also falls over far too much for my liking, very glad we didn't sign him, think he's overratted and would much prefer if we'd got Grealish.

Anyway Jose needs a striker not yet another average midfielder.

He's just the name the example used when people want to show examples that Poch turned down the opportunity to sign players.

 

[sausage]

I mean he wanted Grealish didn’t he.

At the time, apparently he didn't and it was a "typical Levy signing" etc. That was the prevailing opinion.

I think history gets re-written to suit the narrative. I firmly believe that not signing players for two windows would have most certainly been a decision approved by Pochettino (reasons being varied I'm sure), but it gets wheeled out as a reason to criticise the club like it was some sort of self-imposed penny pinching transfer ban.

 

[jay2040]

So we didn't sign anyone because it was Poch's preference not to.

(basically the point I was making)

Its irrelevant as we won nothing and he is not here!

 

[sausage]

Its irrelevant as we won nothing and he is not here!

It's vaguely relevant to the current state of the squad. The conversation trail being that people seem to want us to sign a lot more than the 4 new first team players we've already brought in, with my point being that that is a calamity waiting to happen. The opposing point is that the club/board/Levy are to blame because they should have signed players well before the current situation (with the reasons why being due to the preference of the previous manager).

But yes, he's no longer here and a line should most definitely be drawn before the appointment of Mourinho.

 

[wrd]

At the time, apparently he didn't and it was a "typical Levy signing" etc. That was the prevailing opinion.

I think history gets re-written to suit the narrative. I firmly believe that not signing players for two windows would have most certainly been a decision approved by Pochettino (reasons being varied I'm sure), but it gets wheeled out as a reason to criticise the club like it was some sort of self-imposed penny pinching transfer ban.

Well what I'd say to argue that is that we know for a fact that we bid for Grealish because Steve Bruce confirmed that we had made an offer and I'd have to assume that Levy wasn't going to be pushing for that signing despite Villa having new owners on deadline day unless Poch gave him his seal of approval therefore I'd point to that as evidence that Poch did infact want signings in the summer 2018. Along with that I'd point to De Jong confirming he had an opportunity to join spurs but decided it wasn't the move for him. Nothing anybody Spurs can do about that but again that shows that Poch did infact want a player.

All this to say that I think there's enough Evidence to show that Poch didn't approve a summer of no transfers, simply that was the hand that was dealt and he had to go with those cards.