Jose Mourinho

[Hercules]

Josè is very analytical and prudent, add to that very pragmatic. He knew full well what he was doing, and knew the disadvantages. He knew this was a match he could afford to put players in (Dele) the media been banging unto him about. He knows his past experiences (Pogba), and wanted no repeat . He is no fool. Strictly opinion!

 

[Ionman34]

I recently read that football fans who don't really understand what is going on, resort to the phrase 'they wanted it more than us'. But I agree with everything you write.
We have been out-desired twice in a row now - Burnley players were riding challenges two at a time and coming away with the ball. It certainly wasn't skill, but just they wanted it more. And that comes from the manager.

Spurs fans know better than most what happens if a manager can instil belief in the players. When Pochettino was magic, Dele Alli was told he was a fierce urban midfield destroyer, and that's what he did. What exactly he thinks he is now is anyone's guess. Kane was told he was the best striker in the world, and he was, as Pochettino just willed to be true. And so on.

Fergy made that last team of his champions by will power alone, as there was little natural ability there. Arguably Clough and early Shankly did the same. Incredible characters who would not accept half hearted efforts.

Mourinho has also shown incredible desire, but we didn't really see that in the last 2 games, where he was shown shell shocked in the corner of the dug-out, tormented by demons. If the players weren't doing what they were told in training, why wasn't he raging at them? Why wasn't he directing them? Energising them? Managing them...

Dele Alli was a “fierce urban destroyer?”

Mate...

 

[BringBack_leGin]

The thing is, the only point he consistently makes wherever he has worked is that his ego must prevail at all costs.

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[ohtottenham!]

Can't say I 'get' Mourinho's comments about now having easy choices of who to play next time out. He sent on 4 A list player at half time who barely did any better than those they replaced. The main difference was Hojbjerg who tightened up the midfield and added a bit of bite, but it didn't result in anything going forward, and in fact yielded some very decent chances for Antwerp.

He was obviously very disappointed with the first half showing and implemented a raft of half time changes which I thought was complete overkill. Those who came on didn't improve our lot at all really,but apparently Mourinho now knows who he'll trust v Brighton. Seems like he targetted some of the fringe players with his comments and I think there would have been much better ways of dealing with it than that kind of public outburst.

Agree with all of this re his interview, particularly first and last sentence. It seemed unnecessary. Nothing wrong with his twitter post however. We were pants from top to bottom yesterday.

 

[riggi]

Dele Alli was a “fierce urban destroyer?”

Mate...

????

 

[JCRD]

For the life of me I can’t work out what ****ish means. I’ve put all the usual letters in but nothing comes to mind ?

You trying to catch me out? I am restricted from saying the four letter word beginning with C but just look at Danny Mills or Gabby Agbonlahor and what's the first C word that comes to mind...

Add ish to it.

 

[Shadydan]

1 loss is all it takes for the confirmation bias against Jose to come to fruition in your warped minds, sort it out ffs ?

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Can't say I 'get' Mourinho's comments about now having easy choices of who to play next time out. He sent on 4 A list player at half time who barely did any better than those they replaced. The main difference was Hojbjerg who tightened up the midfield and added a bit of bite, but it didn't result in anything going forward, and in fact yielded some very decent chances for Antwerp.

He was obviously very disappointed with the first half showing and implemented a raft of half time changes which I thought was complete overkill. Those who came on didn't improve our lot at all really,but apparently Mourinho now knows who he'll trust v Brighton. Seems like he targetted some of the fringe players with his comments and I think there would have been much better ways of dealing with it than that kind of public outburst.

Dier, Alderweireld, Doherty, Sissoko & Ndomblele weren't involved. All are probably in Jose's "strongest XI" currently.
Hojbjerg did improve the team in the second half, showing his importance.
Davies may well return to LB in place of Reguilon. He was fouled for the goal and was playing out of position (he's better at Lb / LCB than CB).

That's 7 changes, at the expense of players who failed to impress on Thursday.

Lloris didn't do anything wrong. Kane & Son failed to impact this game but have proven themselves in every other match this season. Others had a point to prove if they want to convince Jose that they should be starting XI not fringe players / cup players - they were all a long way off achieving that.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

1 loss is all it takes for the confirmation bias against Jose to come to fruition in your warped minds, sort it out ffs ?

-capitulation against West Ham
-Awful performance against Plovdiv
-Awful performance against Antwerp
-Despite an electric 40 minutes, we were shocking for 50 minutes against Southampton
-Quite dire against Burnley and a late goal from a set piece covered that we created very very little. Decent character though.
-Everton was horrific

I’d argue that the season has not been anywhere near as positive in regards performance that a great win against a 10 man Utd and a penalty win against a rival In the cup have prompted many to feel.

we havent,yet, looked consistently good or in control this season.

 

[spursfan77]

-capitulation against West Ham
-Awful performance against Plovdiv
-Awful performance against Antwerp
-Despite an electric 40 minutes, we were shocking for 50 minutes against Southampton
-Quite dire against Burnley and a late goal from a set piece covered that we created very very little. Decent character though.
-Everton was horrific

I’d argue that the season has not been anywhere near as positive in regards performance that a great win against a 10 man Utd and a penalty win against a rival In the cup have prompted many to feel.

we havent,yet, looked consistently good or in control this season.

Yet win against Brighton and we could be nearly top of the league. Funny old season. I put it down to not having fans in stadiums, it is effecting players and teams in different ways, some of which we don’t know. Some players will be thriving without fans there, others won’t. It’s probably why we’ve seen a strange start to the season. We really just need to keep winning. I’d almost say performances aren’t really that important, it’s just getting the points on the board. Early days in the season still too, let’s see where we are in a few months time.

 

[Shadydan]

-capitulation against West Ham
-Awful performance against Plovdiv
-Awful performance against Antwerp
-Despite an electric 40 minutes, we were shocking for 50 minutes against Southampton
-Quite dire against Burnley and a late goal from a set piece covered that we created very very little. Decent character though.
-Everton was horrific

I’d argue that the season has not been anywhere near as positive in regards performance that a great win against a 10 man Utd and a penalty win against a rival In the cup have prompted many to feel.

we havent,yet, looked consistently good or in control this season.

Just proved my point here haven't you?

You point out that we capitulated against West Ham yet willingly ignore the 6-1 win at OT (we were battering them when they had 11 men btw), or absolutely playing Newcastle off the park or battling to a win against Burnley in a match we'd normally drop points in... where's the superlatives for those performances because you've conveniently gone to massive extremes in your vocab to point out the bad performances - you can't pick and choose performances based on your argument, that's not who it works...or maybe it does if you choose to have a myopic viewpoint or even an agenda. ?‍

Despite all this though you've pointed out name me one team in this league who is super consistent this season, name me one team in this league who you can say they've played well in all or even the majority of their matches and look dominant, not Liverpool, not City, not Utd, not even Everton (who lost convincingly against a team we battered nonetheless last week) Maybe you're just not appreciating the fact that this league is very difficult or you're not appreciating the fact that Jose is still trying to get the balance right in the team.

Last season especially post lockdown everyone complained that the team was too negative and what we saw for the most part is setting up safety first yet controlling matches, people didn't like it. This season he's let the shackles off yet we're in less control of matches, we're scoring a lot of goals yet people still don't like it. We're still not the finished article but I see progress, don't you? I guess it comes down to whether you're glass half full or glass half empty, think it's obvious what you are.

 

[ajspurs]

Just proved my point here haven't you?

You point out that we capitulated against West Ham yet willingly ignore the 6-1 win at OT (we were battering them when they had 11 men btw), or absolutely playing Newcastle off the park or battling to a win against Burnley in a match we'd normally drop points in... where's the superlatives for those performances because you've conveniently gone to massive extremes in your vocab to point out the bad performances - you can't pick and choose performances based on your argument, that's not who it works...or maybe it does if you choose to have a myopic viewpoint or even an agenda. ?‍

Despite all this though you've pointed out name me one team in this league who is super consistent this season, name me one team in this league who you can say they've played well in all or even the majority of their matches and look dominant, not Liverpool, not City, not Utd, not even Everton (who lost convincingly against a team we battered nonetheless last week) Maybe you're just not appreciating the fact that this league is very difficult or you're not appreciating the fact that Jose is still trying to get the balance right in the team.

Last season especially post lockdown everyone complained that the team was too negative and what we saw for the most part is setting up safety first yet controlling matches, people didn't like it. This season he's let the shackles off yet we're in less control of matches, we're scoring a lot of goals yet people still don't like it. We're still not the finished article but I see progress, don't you? I guess it comes down to whether you're glass half full or glass half empty, think it's obvious what you are.

Spot on. Even in the games where we didn't get the results we've wanted there have been good signs. Yes we have a lot of pieces to the puzzle now but we are still a team in transition and are still developing.

In the final third of last season under Jose I was seriously contemplating not even watching some of the matches, we couldn't create a chance to save our lives. Even if far from perfect still this season so far has been a big improvement in comparison to that IMO.

Has to be remembered that we're trying to stop a rot that had been present for so long in the team as well. You only have to look at United to see how hard that can sometimes be.

 

[BPR_U16]

Josè is very analytical and prudent, add to that very pragmatic. He knew full well what he was doing, and knew the disadvantages. He knew this was a match he could afford to put players in (Dele) the media been banging unto him about. He knows his past experiences (Pogba), and wanted no repeat . He is no fool. Strictly opinion!

And with the result Jose has hung players out to dry and possibly created a two tier situation at the club.
There was always a preferred squad in his mind but to blatantly undermine confidence and belief in others not necessary - but thats his way.
At the end of the day, even the changes he made at half time had no effect. To say his future decisions are easy is a cover up
We were set up wrong, appeared to go out with wrong message but Jose deflects that with his management skills.
Jose plays the press. Rightly doesnt listen to them, merely uses and exploits them.
Despite all this, beileve he knows what he is doing and that we are better positioned to win things under him than Poch.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Cause we're winning so much with any other manager

Does this not lead you to think that maybe we’re not good enough to win things irrespective of the manager.. The facts are pretty clear

 

[rez9000]

And with the result Jose has hung players out to dry and possibly created a two tier situation at the club.
There was always a preferred squad in his mind but to blatantly undermine confidence and belief in others not necessary - but thats his way.
At the end of the day, even the changes he made at half time had no effect. To say his future decisions are easy is a cover up
We were set up wrong, appeared to go out with wrong message but Jose deflects that with his management skills.
Jose plays the press. Rightly doesnt listen to them, merely uses and exploits them.
Despite all this, beileve he knows what he is doing and that we are better positioned to win things under him than Poch.

You know what? That, to me, is not a bad thing at all. Good. If the "top-tier" are players who show desire, who push to win, who carry out the managers instructions, who put it all on the pitch and the "bottom-tier" are players who just want to show up and and go through the motions, then I have no problem with that.

 

[Shadydan]

And with the result Jose has hung players out to dry and possibly created a two tier situation at the club.
There was always a preferred squad in his mind but to blatantly undermine confidence and belief in others not necessary - but thats his way.
At the end of the day, even the changes he made at half time had no effect. To say his future decisions are easy is a cover up
We were set up wrong, appeared to go out with wrong message but Jose deflects that with his management skills.
Jose plays the press. Rightly doesnt listen to them, merely uses and exploits them.
Despite all this, beileve he knows what he is doing and that we are better positioned to win things under him than Poch.

But carry on...

 

[riggi]

But carry on...

You know where he get his top and jacket?

 

[Deleted member 27995]

You know where he get his top and jacket?

Jacamo.

 

[riggi]

Jacamo.

Prime opportunity for a matalan joke then..

 

[Shadydan]

Prime opportunity for a matalan joke then..

Jacamo is basically online Matalan isn't it.