Jose Mourinho

[dontcallme]

Anyone remember this ‘small time’ celebration a few years back?

Should Liverpool be celebrating a home draw against West Brom?

Was this a cringeworthy embarrassment - or a masterful bit of bonding?

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I always felt the criticism for the West Brom to be a bit off. They scored a last minute equaliser and acknowledged the fans after a tense game.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

The most amusing argument I see is Jose inherited an unbalanced squad. Poch had a broken Dembele, Kane was injured more, Winks was pretty much injured for a year, Dier was injured and Eriksen stopped playing. Poch was screwed by Levy despite warning him we need to refresh the squad. Heck, Poch was given GKN, Njie and Janssen prior to that. Can you imagine Mourinho going 3 windows without buying a player? Do you think he will stick around?

Jose had the same issues as Poch. People need to stop blaming Poch and then saying Jose inherited an unbalanced squad. That's a Levy problem.

OK, ok, ok. Slooow down there, killer. Pointing out the fact that he inherited an unbalanced squad isn't directly criticism of Pochettino. Yes, Pochettino too had the same imbalance towards the end and the topic in this context isn't about dishing out blame. It's only about supporting Mourinho, not about negativity towards Pochettino. Mourinho has now an imbalanced squad that isn't his fault. Who's fault it was in the past isn't really important to this argument. What people need to stop doing is a constant rehashing of the Pochettino/Mourinho comparison. It's is unimportant. That being said I very much do doubt that Pochettino is entirely without blame, but that's another story.

 

[Gb160]

This season when Poch was sacked despite our poor start we were only 3 points from 5th place. At no point have we been at risk of relegation and claiming so by randomly picking a patch of results is just agenda driven. When the season finished we were still 3 points from 5th.

Why are you using 5th as a reference point?
What happens to your argument if you used, I dunno...4th?

 

[Shadydan]

Why are you using 5th as a reference point?
What happens to your argument if you used, I dunno...4th?

And he was asking people to use context when they argue

 

[Japhet]

Why are you using 5th as a reference point?
What happens to your argument if you used, I dunno...4th?

Something to do with where we actually finished maybe?

 

[Gb160]

Something to do with where we actually finished maybe?

Ahhh, so it's just coincidence that if you compare to 5th he's able to paint a negative picture, yet if he used 4th (because that's where we should be aiming to finish at a minimum) it doesn't look negative at all....and he's berating people for being selective to suit their agendas

 

[Japhet]

Ahhh, so it's just coincidence that if you compare to 5th he's able to paint a negative picture, yet if he used 4th (because that's where we should be aiming to finish at a minimum) it doesn't look negative at all....and he's berating people for being selective to suit their agendas

Works both ways. It's agenda driven bollocks on both sides.

 

[Shadydan]

Works both ways. It's agenda driven bollocks on both sides.

I'm not going to disagree with this but If you want to argue, argue in context - look there's nothing wrong with saying that we were heading downwards with Poch this season because that's a fact - despite being 3 points off 4th or whatever we were heading nowhere and we were miles behind the top four seeing as we were meant to challenge for the top 4 - 3 wins in 12 matches was pitiful, the football was pitiful, the effort was pitiful, the Goal difference, PPG etc...everything was trending downwards - something had to change and it did.

People just need to try admit that, no need to lie about it - it doesn't take anything away from the majority of Poch's time at the club.

 

[Spurrific]

I always felt the criticism for the West Brom to be a bit off. They scored a last minute equaliser and acknowledged the fans after a tense game.

Plus, it was indicative of Klopp's man management style and his way of creating a united front with the players, staff and fans - and seems to have worked alright for them.

 

[Goobers]

IF Chelsea sell Kante and Buy Rice, they will be an unstoppable team.

Really ???!!!!

 

[Japhet]

I'm not going to disagree with this but If you want to argue, argue in context - look there's nothing wrong with saying that we were heading downwards with Poch this season because that's a fact - despite being 3 points off 4th or whatever we were heading nowhere and we were miles behind the top four seeing as we were meant to challenge for the top 4 - 3 wins in 12 matches was pitiful, the football was pitiful, the effort was pitiful, the Goal difference, PPG etc...everything was trending downwards - something had to change and it did.

People just need to try admit that, no need to lie about it - it doesn't take anything away from the majority of Poch's time at the club.

I was told a very, very long time ago when I was (supposedly) studyiny economics, that statistics were only of any interest to people trying to support their own agenda. I've seen nothing to persuade me otherwise since. This case is a classic example. 1 league place different puts an entirely different spin on each side of the argument (which is a pretty pointless one anyway).

 

[Shadydan]

I was told a very, very long time ago when I was (supposedly) studyiny economics, that statistics were only of any interest to people trying to support their own agenda. I've seen nothing to persuade me otherwise since. This case is a classic example. 1 league place different puts an entirely different spin on each side of the argument (which is a pretty pointless one anyway).

You can use stats to manipulate any argument so I'm not sure I'd agree.

What I use when I argue is my eyes and common sense - my eyes told me we were shit and my common sense told me were going nowhere - unless you want to argue different and claim the opposite then go ahead if it makes you feel better but for me that's slightly delusional and doesn't tell the full story of the situation.

 

[Japhet]

I don't have an opinion either way. We are where we are and how we got here is water under the bridge.

 

[carmeldevil]

I don't have an opinion either way. We are where we are and how we got here is water under the bridge.

Now that we know where we are, only one way from here and it's to the top!

 

[Dougal]

IF Chelsea sell Kante and Buy Rice, they will be an unstoppable team.

Kante for ****y.

 

[HedgieSpur]

A continuation of our Poch form would have put us in a relegation battle.

A continuation of our Jose form would have put us 3rd.

And yet some people still pretend they can't see any progress. Mind-numbing cognitive dissonance.

Maybe "progress" means different things to different people. We've progressed points wise (from a very low base) but imo our football has regressed.

You're free to disagree of course but Im struggling to see why this is such a difficult concept for some posters to comprehend.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Maybe "progress" means different things to different people. We've progressed points wise (from a very low base) but imo our football has regressed.

You're free to disagree of course but Im struggling to see why this is such a difficult concept for some posters to comprehend.

It's hard to agree on because many would argue, and rightly so, that the style of football started regressing sometime around the end of 2018/start of 2019, and certainly by spring 2019. To drive the point home, you could in fact put together a reasonable rationale that the style of football was better in July 2020 than say September 2019.

 

[HedgieSpur]

It's hard to agree on because many would argue, and rightly so, that the style of football started regressing sometime around the end of 2018/start of 2019, and certainly by spring 2019. To drive the point home, you could in fact put together a reasonable rationale that the style of football was better in July 2020 than say September 2019.

Ive been quoted on here as saying that "the football has been garbage from Jan 2019". Then Jose came in and has improved results but the football IMO has actually been worst than the last knockings of Poch. At best (again imo) just as bad.

To gloss over our dreadful football to prove that one is some sort of "real fan" is just as bad as glossing over the marked improvement in results imo. It IS possible to do both...in fact Jose and Kane pretty much acknowledged the same thing.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Ive been quoted on here as saying that "the football has been garbage from Jan 2019". Then Jose came in and has improved results but the football IMO has actually been worst than the last knockings of Poch. At best (again imo) just as bad.

To gloss over our dreadful football to prove that one is some sort of "real fan" is just as bad as glossing over the marked improvement in results imo. It IS possible to do both...in fact Jose and Kane pretty much acknowledged the same thing.

But look at July for instance. We scored more goals on average than the average of August, September, and October. Isn't notably increased number of goals scored one possible sign that the football in fact isn't regressing?

 

[rossdapep]

Stumbled across this earlier. Watch from 6:40



Plenty of speculation over which signings were Jose's whilst he was at United and this only seems to confirm it.

They had Fergie's scout, Moyes' scout, Van Gaal's scout all on the books, and for sure at the same time Jose was using his contacts too. Recipe for disaster and you could tell by his demeanour that he wasn't happy with the decisions being made.

Contrast that to what he says about Levy and co, it feels that they are more in line and the system is clearer. Of course, if Levy goes against Jose we'll have a problem but it does appear that all has been agreed and accepted (targets).

Prior to United, I actually think Jose's track record of signings had been very very good. People often say he's always had big money to spend, which isn't completely true, but he's often got those right when compared to others who haven't.

His major signings over his three year spell at Chelsea
Willian
Schurrle
Matic
Zouma
Salah
Diego Costa
Fabregas
Filipe Luis
Loic Remy

The majority of them were a success, couple did ok, Salah the only real negative but even Jose wasn't fully responsible for him leaving the club.