Jose Mourinho

[richard_gleeson]

haha true that was a bullet dodged.

Then again he became what he became because of what happened with us. If we had got him he may not have been mentally affected

 

[BringBack_leGin]

How do you mean?

I mean that given the shit spouted in this place, whether you like Levy or hate Levy, there is no way he knows as little as the majority of the posters here about football. We are all just onlookers with a fraction of the information available, he does this for a living and, much as he may have reached a ceiling with us due to his methods, has been successful for the most part.

 

[DiVaio]

what makes you think he does know anything/much about football? Just because he’s sat there doesn’t mean he’s understanding what he’s watching. No doubt he has contacts in football and he understands aspects of being a football owner but in terms of knowledge of the game my guess would be he’s pretty limited. I mean how many times have we been close but he’s failed to see it.

When they first bought rangers there was the piece about him only getting into it because of the potential opportunity and growth, apparently no passion for the sport I think was the sentiment.

And what makes you think he doesn't when since he came the club improved massively, possible even the most from the clubs without unlimited money

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

I mean that he given the shit spouted in this place, whether you like Levy or hate Levy, there is no way he knows as little as the majority of the posters here about football. We are all just onlookers with a fraction of the information available, he does this for a living and, much as he may have reached a ceiling with us due to his methods, has been hugely successful in his achievements.

I’m talking about football the sport not the business. What more information do you need apart from playing and watching the sport from a kid. Obviously he got this gig because of where he is in the business world not because of football knowledge. He’s obviously clever with money and I’m not saying you need a football man upstairs but let’s not pretend he is a football man.
You think someone who says there is no passion here it’s purely financial would know more than people here who have probably played and watched football from being a kid. Laughable tbh

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

And what makes you think he doesn't when since he came the club improved massively, possible even the most from the clubs without unlimited money

1 trophy in 20 years? we’ve improved in general I guess coming from the Sugar years but only just coming up to par to where we’ve always been historically as a club. you’ve got me wrong, I think he’s done a very good job on the whole but if he was really understanding what he’s seeing on the pitch he would of understood the times to push on and strengthen unless money is really the overriding factor.

 

[thekneaf]

I mean, of course most teams have transfer committees or a DOF or some kind of multilayered decision making process. But I don’t remember too many PL managers making a point to say they’re not in control of or involved in transfers. We’ve now had two consecutive managers make a point to say that publicly, in the space of a year. That’s what’s not normal.

If you watch the City amazon doc they film Pep being told he can't have VVD because they won't pay what Liverpool will. It was a problem position and VVD was absolute top pick. The transfer committee said no, move onto next target.

Any manager claiming they have complete control in this day and age is just talking. Klopp claims he has complete control, but its actually just a high trust relationship. If he was buying duds or wanting to replace players he only brought in a year ago then he'd be told no.

 

[carpediem991]

Every manager is always under a certain budget. I guess they are (or should) exchange the ideas/needs and priorities. A manager can say this is my first priority but if the club can not get a deal within the budget and club limits (salary structure, advisor costs...) they will move on.
Even if a club says you can spend 100m, most clubs won't sign papers to spend 30m of that on a 32 year old with 0 sell on value.
No manager is in full control.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I’m talking about football the sport not the business. What more information do you need apart from playing and watching the sport from a kid. Obviously he got this gig because of where he is in the business world not because of football knowledge. He’s obviously clever with money and I’m not saying you need a football man upstairs but let’s not pretend he is a football man.
You think someone who says there is no passion here it’s purely financial would know more than people here who have probably played and watched football from being a kid. Laughable tbh

I can’t imagine you could possibly improve a club the way he has, without throwing money at it, without either knowing about football (the sport) or by at the very least surrounding yourself with people who do.

 

[TorontoYid]

Every manager is always under a certain budget. I guess they are (or should) exchange the ideas/needs and priorities. A manager can say this is my first priority but if the club can not get a deal within the budget and club limits (salary structure, advisor costs...) they will move on.
Even if a club says you can spend 100m, most clubs won't sign papers to spend 30m of that on a 32 year old with 0 sell on value.
No manager is in full control.

Very true in most cases but to me it looks like Levy is purely focused on the financial side which is understandable since that is his job. Most big teams get the players they want at the beginning of the window but we rarely if ever do that. We tend to get linked to every player and his cousin, then wait ill the last day before offering an insultingly low amount in the hopes that the team will suddenly do a 180 and not only decide to sell, but become desperate due to the little amount of time left. Than we hear about what a tough window it was and how the market is too over inflated. The manager is then forced to pretend that they really didn't want anyone before leaving or getting sacked due to lack of support.

Levy has done a good job over all in many aspects since he was brought in to get us out of financial troubles and he did that in spectacular fashion, but if we want to take the next step forward he needs to ease up and start looking at pride as well as cash. I'm sure many will disagree and I am not having a dig at Levy since I have already said he has done well overall but if JM gets the kind of support Poch did where we fail to strengthen repeatedly, he will either be off or get sacked for poor results.

 

[bubble07]

I mean that given the shit spouted in this place, whether you like Levy or hate Levy, there is no way he knows as little as the majority of the posters here about football. We are all just onlookers with a fraction of the information available, he does this for a living and, much as he may have reached a ceiling with us due to his methods, has been successful for the most part.

Depends what you consider a success. 1 trophy in his tenure or great facilities? He would make a great gym manager

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Depends what you consider a success. 1 trophy in his tenure or great facilities? He would make a great gym manager

Average in decade pre Enic’s first full season: 11th
Average in Enic’s first decade: 8th
Average since (8 full seasons): 4th

I have my doubts as to whether the progress can continue but yes, I consider that facilitating the above progress constitutes a successful tenure so far. And on the basis that being one of the top 4 clubs should equate to trophies, that it hasn’t to my mind has more to do with not having managers who could get us over the line as we’ve been close enough time’s since the 08 win over Chelsea.

 

[bubble07]

Average in decade pre Enic’s first full season: 11th
Average in Enic’s first decade: 8th
Average since (8 full seasons): 4th

I have my doubts as to whether the progress can continue but yes, I consider that facilitating the above progress constitutes a successful tenure so far. And on the basis that being one of the top 4 clubs should equate to trophies, that it hasn’t to my mind has more to do with not having managers who could get us over the line as we’ve been close enough time’s since the 08 win over Chelsea.

Yep definite progress. But we all know 4th to 1st requires a completely new mindset

 

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The irony of this lot in here complaining that Levy doesn’t understand football.

Come on mate, surely even the most fervent of Levy supporters like yourself would happily see him step aside to concentrate on the commercial side of the Club, if it meant we'd then have an elite DoF like Campos running recruitment? I just fail to see how any genuine Spurs fan can look back at the debacle of Summer Window in 2018 and the subsequent neglect and stagnation of the squad and conclude, that when it comes to recruitiment, Levy is still the best man for the job.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Average in decade pre Enic’s first full season: 11th
Average in Enic’s first decade: 8th
Average since (8 full seasons): 4th

I have my doubts as to whether the progress can continue but yes, I consider that facilitating the above progress constitutes a successful tenure so far. And on the basis that being one of the top 4 clubs should equate to trophies, that it hasn’t to my mind has more to do with not having managers who could get us over the line as we’ve been close enough time’s since the 08 win over Chelsea.

Daniel Levy picks these Managers you are saying aren't good enough to win trophies.

He's had at least 10 Managers since he's been in charge. Swapping them out hasn't fixed the problem.

We've recently recruited one of the most successful Managers of all time and are lower than Burnley and Sheffield Utd in the table.

Now it should have been obvious by the time AVB was fired that there was a deeper problem involving our transfer policy that was the real issue but here we are 7 years later and you still think it's the Manager.

Our squad has a right back who can't defend, our best two centre backs are past their best, our left back was the back up until recently, we have no DM, our star centre midfielder won't run and doesn't play, another centre midfielder can run but not pass, we have no back up to one of the world's best strikers causing him regular injuries. This is bad recruitment and not the sort of mistake a Chairman would make if he understood football the way some of you are suggesting he does.

Pochettino warned everyone about the squad's demise very loudly way in advance, got fired and some people are still blaming the Managers...

 

[thekneaf]

Daniel Levy picks these Managers you are saying aren't good enough to win trophies.

He's had over 10 Managers since he's been in charge. Swapping them out hasn't fixed the problem.

We've recently recruited one of the most successful Managers of all time and are lower than Burnley and Sheffield Utd in the table.

Now it should have been obvious by the time AVB was fired that there was a deeper problem involving our transfer policy that was the real issue but here we are 7/8 years later and you still think it's the Manager.

Our squad has a right back who can't defend, our best two centre backs are past their best, our left back was the back up until recently, we have no DM, our star centre midfielder won't run and doesn't play, another centre midfielder can run but not pass, we have no back up to one of the world's best strikers causing him regular injuries. This is bad recruitment and not the sort of mistake a Chairman would make if he understood football the way some of you are suggesting he does.

Pochettino warned everyone about the squad's demise very loudly way in advance, got fired and some people are still blaming the Managers...

Let's face it, Poch shat the bed.

Klopp has barely spent in 2 years. That's not because he can't improve the team as he says, it's because he spent all the money and they can't afford the players that would improve them.

I'm not saying Levy isn't an issue, I'm just saying there will always be a transfer committee and the chairman will always be on it.

Jose saying he's not in control is just a fact. He's tasked with a short to medium term goal, the club need to also consider long term planning. It's why Jose couldn't sell Martial at United.

 

[DFF]

If you watch the City amazon doc they film Pep being told he can't have VVD because they won't pay what Liverpool will. It was a problem position and VVD was absolute top pick. The transfer committee said no, move onto next target.

Any manager claiming they have complete control in this day and age is just talking. Klopp claims he has complete control, but its actually just a high trust relationship. If he was buying duds or wanting to replace players he only brought in a year ago then he'd be told no.

I don't know of a manager that's in "complete control" of transfers. Then again neither he nor I said that. I do find it curious that two consecutive managers have made weird comments about this, that they subsequently had to explain away. Both of these instances seem borne out of frustration more than anything. Make of that what you will...

 

[thekneaf]

I don't know of a manager that's in "complete control" of transfers. Then again neither he nor I said that. I do find it curious that two consecutive managers have made weird comments about this, that they subsequently had to explain away. Both of these instances seem borne out of frustration more than anything. Make of that what you will...

I'll make of it what I will

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Daniel Levy picks these Managers you are saying aren't good enough to win trophies.

He's had at least 10 Managers since he's been in charge. Swapping them out hasn't fixed the problem.

We've recently recruited one of the most successful Managers of all time and are lower than Burnley and Sheffield Utd in the table.

Now it should have been obvious by the time AVB was fired that there was a deeper problem involving our transfer policy that was the real issue but here we are 7 years later and you still think it's the Manager.

Our squad has a right back who can't defend, our best two centre backs are past their best, our left back was the back up until recently, we have no DM, our star centre midfielder won't run and doesn't play, another centre midfielder can run but not pass, we have no back up to one of the world's best strikers causing him regular injuries. This is bad recruitment and not the sort of mistake a Chairman would make if he understood football the way some of you are suggesting he does.

Pochettino warned everyone about the squad's demise very loudly way in advance, got fired and some people are still blaming the Managers...

And at what point until recently have we been strong enough as a club to attract a manager with Leiden recent success in this country?

I agree that transfer policy leaves a hell of a lot to be desired. That is also completely irrelevant to the discussion I am involved in regarding whether or not we could made the clear, tangible progress we have consistently made with people who don’t have a clue about football (when compared to the locals on Spurscommunity) running the club.

 

[NEVILLEB]

I don't know of a manager that's in "complete control" of transfers. Then again neither he nor I said that. I do find it curious that two consecutive managers have made weird comments about this, that they subsequently had to explain away. Both of these instances seem borne out of frustration more than anything. Make of that what you will...

This goes back to Hoddle, Jol, etc

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Come on mate, surely even the most fervent of Levy supporters like yourself would happily see him step aside to concentrate on the commercial side of the Club, if it meant we'd then have an elite DoF like Campos running recruitment? I just fail to see how any genuine Spurs fan can look back at the debacle of Summer Window in 2018 and the subsequent neglect and stagnation of the squad and conclude, that when it comes to recruitiment, Levy is still the best man for the job.

I’d gladly see him step aside for a top DOF and I’d happily see us sell to a sugar daddy if I’m honest. But that’s not my point. All I’m saying is that to say he knows nothing about football is hugely over the top, and rich coming from the likes of us