What's new

Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

Havre

Well-Known Member
Aug 8, 2019
829
1,065
The only problem I have with that is the 'type' of coach.

Hoddle - experienced at the time, not a winner but a coach with a reputation for getting teams to play well (not with us though) -

Santini - A vastly experienced coach who was much more defensive minded. - a winner

Jol - A coach who wanted his team to attack and be open. - a project coach

Ramos - A coach who wanted his team to be highly tactical/technical and disciplined. - a winner

Redknapp - A coach who wanted his teams to play on the front foot and have a go. Typical 4-4-2 football. - a short term coach

AVB - A technical/tactical coach who wanted to control games. - A project coach

Poch - A highly rated upcoming coach - A project coach

Mourinho - Pragmatic coach who has won it all - winner/short term.

As you can see we bounce around from coach to coach, no specific identity of how we want it to be. And I'd argue that two of those reactive gambles were the more successful (Jol, Redknapp) other than Poch of course.

....And that's why we don't have success or continuation. Decisions are too reactive and not made with a consistent theme.

That is partly fair I would say. Summarising a coach with one sentence isn't very useful in my opinion, but I'm not going to completely disagree that there maybe should have been a bit more consistency as to the type of coach.

Santini would be the odd one out for me as he was far more defensively minded than the others. Part of the argument to get rid of Pochettino was his demanding style. Would you then hire the same kind of coach or someone more pragmatic?

You got some examples like Simeone, but most cases these days are more similar to ZZ at RM as you got 2-4/5 good seasons at a team. And not sure if you can find that these successes are because of continuity in terms of kind of coach. Is Klopp a continuation? I would say that would be a stretch.
 

wrd

Well-Known Member
Aug 22, 2014
13,603
58,005
Now is not the time to support Jose so I will keep my gob shut otherwise I would be lambasted.

It is possible to be critical of certain things and feel he should be doing better currently but also still support him and hope that when he has the pre-season and summer to rebuild and get his ethos across that we will see a significantly better Spurs team.
 

ILikeTottenham

New Member
Jul 3, 2020
1
4
Hey guys, I have been a fan of this site for long time, mainly because of JJ. But I just recently created an account.

I recently created a YouTube channel dedicated to Tottenham content about reviewing and analysing games and I gave my thoughts on Mourinho there. Sorry if you don't like it and thanks for reading this.

 

Japhet

Well-Known Member
Aug 30, 2010
19,232
57,392
I'm not gonna turn on Jose just yet. Two managers struggling with the same bunch of players and the same mistakes being made in defence points to deficiencies in the playing staff.

IMO we have too many dumb fucks out there who cannot defend well no matter how many hours on the training field are spent with them.


I'd lay some of the blame at Mourinho's door for continually starting with 2 in CM, neither of whom has great defensive skills. In the Sheffield game, our CBs were half trying to deal with stuff coming into the box and half watching for the ball being played to the edge of the box for a shot at goal. If we had a midfielder in that central position it would be his job to block shots, but not only did we have nobody there, but Sissoko was spending a load of time covering Aurier. All that was so that we could have an extra player in our attack, and all that seemed to do was create confusion and cramped space. Any of our midfielders could have played centrally 9Winks, Gedson, Skipp etc) and even if they're not dedicated DMs it would have helped.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

Well-Known Member
Jul 10, 2008
15,980
48,500
But hard to see how he can get us back up there without some significant spend.
I don’t know maybe he should do what he is paid to do and actually coach the team rather than rely on just trying to make us solid and expecting a bit of magic from our better players. ??‍♂️

As much as everyone just likes to rubbish the squad we’ve actually got a very talented bunch. Right now they are not being maximised. As you often see in teams that are not coached to be more than a sum of their parts the weak links are easily exposed.

Good coaching maximises the strength of the team and masks it’s weaknesses. Sheffield Utd are a perfect example of this. No Sheffield Utd players would get into our team but Wilder has coached them to have a set tactical plan that really maximises their strengths. I’m yet to see this from Mourinho.
 

H-SF

Well-Known Member
Jan 2, 2020
2,198
10,484
Say what you like about Mourinho but this is quite obviously partly due to the rank recruitment from summer 2017 up until summer 2019. We had an elite squad that was forged in 15/16 and peaked in 16/17 and 17/18 but last year the cycle started to grind to a halt, the squad getting more stale by the minute, with Toby, Jan, Eriksen, Dembele, Walker, Rose and Wanyama all either a force of the past or moved on. The pitiful recruitment from that summer after 16/17 up until Poch’s final window has now left us with gaping holes in our squad and bang average players like Aurier and Lucas in our team as the former mainstays in our team are no longer. The recruitment in the last two windows has been good in the sense that in my opinion we made shrewd acquisitions, yet Ndombele and Sess have been benchwarmers/injured and so only Lo Celso and Bergwijn have actually made a real impact. We need more and the rebuild must be continued and completed and I wonder if Levy knew the real task that any new manager faced that he would have appointed Jose. I agreed with the appointment at the time and still back him but it feels like Levy thought he could salvage the remains of that Poch squad with Jose the ‘born winner’ coming and adding some steel. Unfortunately by that point it was far too late for that. The problem is that in this era of financial uncertainty there is a lot to suggest that our squad will not get the makeover it needs. Fingers crossed it does though and under Mourinho or another manager we can be successful.
 

fortworthspur

Well-Known Member
Nov 12, 2007
11,244
17,536
He needs a proper season in fairness.

Oh, and funds, lots of funds.
thing is, 20-21 wont be a proper season. thats 2 of his seasons gone and we all know what happens in season 3 with JM. I dont really blame him but he's a waste of money.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

Well-Known Member
Jul 10, 2008
15,980
48,500
Say what you like about Mourinho but this is quite obviously partly due to the rank recruitment from summer 2017 up until summer 2019. We had an elite squad that was forged in 15/16 and peaked in 16/17 and 17/18 but last year the cycle started to grind to a halt, the squad getting more stale by the minute, with Toby, Jan, Eriksen, Dembele, Walker, Rose and Wanyama all either a force of the past or moved on. The pitiful recruitment from that summer after 16/17 up until Poch’s final window has now left us with gaping holes in our squad and bang average players like Aurier and Lucas in our team as the former mainstays in our team are no longer. The recruitment in the last two windows has been good in the sense that in my opinion we made shrewd acquisitions, yet Ndombele and Sess have been benchwarmers/injured and so only Lo Celso and Bergwijn have actually made a real impact. We need more and the rebuild must be continued and completed and I wonder if Levy knew the real task that any new manager faced that he would have appointed Jose. I agreed with the appointment at the time and still back him but it feels like Levy thought he could salvage the remains of that Poch squad with Jose the ‘born winner’ coming and adding some steel. Unfortunately by that point it was far too late for that. The problem is that in this era of financial uncertainty there is a lot to suggest that our squad will not get the makeover it needs. Fingers crossed it does though and under Mourinho or another manager we can be successful.

I actually disagree. At no point over the Poch years did we have an ‘elite squad’. Poch just had a very strong tactical plan and system that the players totally bought in to. Other squads were much better individually but the combination of youthful exuberance and desire combined with a clear plan made the team perform above the sum of their parts.

When that exuberance started to wain after some set backs and the team seemed to believe they could rely on talent alone everything unravelled. Now we have a manager who sets up teams to be solid and then relies on moments of magic. The problem is with this is that we don’t have a squad of world class players to make this work. Nor will we have one anytime in the near future.
 

daveduvet

Well-Known Member
Oct 6, 2008
5,610
15,214
I think we had the right coach in Poch. We should've had more patience. He was not the problem.

Now we made our bed. We need to stick with Mourinho and give him the chance. This season was always gonna end like this. We are not good enough.
That said, I don't think he's the right fit for our club and will never be. I don't think he is past his best, but his style of football and the need for mega signings doesn't fit with us as a club
I’ll be candid, I think Mourinho has passed his sell by date. I’ve a horrible feeling he’s going to reduce spurs to the way he reduced Man U. As someone I spoke to today said ‘he watches the game from the sidelines like arsene wenger did in his last few seasons’. Maybe I’m being too fickle, and there’s a lot more to fix, but I’m not excited about our club currently..
 

ItsBoris

Well-Known Member
Jan 18, 2011
7,468
8,604
I'm not gonna turn on Jose just yet. Two managers struggling with the same bunch of players and the same mistakes being made in defence points to deficiencies in the playing staff.

IMO we have too many dumb fucks out there who cannot defend well no matter how many hours on the training field are spent with them.

And one thing that never changes is weak mentality. That has lingered no matter who the manager is.

Poch improved the players and implemented a playing style that worked well, but we still always crumbled in the really important games.

To me yesterday was more a case of mental laziness than raw ability. They basically attacked three times and every time they did our defense was just pedestrian, barely even trying. Sheffield players easily got in between Sanchez and Dier and between Dier and Davies. All three were responsible for the goals conceded. Davies imo was especially weak.
 

Gareth88

Well-Known Member
Sep 19, 2017
4,592
6,727
I’ll be candid, I think Mourinho has passed his sell by date. I’ve a horrible feeling he’s going to reduce spurs to the way he reduced Man U. As someone I spoke to today said ‘he watches the game from the sidelines like arsene wenger did in his last few seasons’. Maybe I’m being too fickle, and there’s a lot more to fix, but I’m not excited about our club currently..
I fear you are right. My mind is also drifting towards a massive haul of our squad. I think it's time to part ways with some players just not too convinced Jose will be around long enough to handle it.
 

Dillspur

Well-Known Member
May 18, 2004
3,747
9,926
And one thing that never changes is weak mentality. That has lingered no matter who the manager is.

Poch improved the players and implemented a playing style that worked well, but we still always crumbled in the really important games.

To me yesterday was more a case of mental laziness than raw ability. They basically attacked three times and every time they did our defense was just pedestrian, barely even trying. Sheffield players easily got in between Sanchez and Dier and between Dier and Davies. All three were responsible for the goals conceded. Davies imo was especially weak.

It was more than just them, I think Son was partly to blame in 2 of those goals, he did a great impression of Luiz when trying to tackle the UTD player right before he crossed it for the 3rd goal, and (I'm 99% sure it was him) again standing around in the 18 yard box watching the UTD play run past him for their 1st.
 

shelfboy68

Well-Known Member
Jun 14, 2008
14,566
19,651
This constant bringing up of us being 14th is so weak, we were 14th after 12 games in and one win would take us to 5th as Jose literally proved in the next after being fucked by VAR twice which cost us 5 points which at the time of sacking would have had us 5th and 2 points clear of 6th. Is the argument is that things are better now because for one game week during a period of the season where the difference between a loss and a win was about 12 positions meant we were 14th?
There was no evidence under poch where the next win was coming from sadly he had to go.
 

fuzzylogic

Well-Known Member
Aug 2, 2004
4,741
9,098
I really think we jumped the gun with poch, we are now seeing what he said needed to happen with the rebuild of the squad. It’s becoming clear that the players are the players are the problem. We are needing a complete rebuild in major positions all over the park! I believe that both have their faults as managers, but deep down inside I believe that the club as a core is tarnished from top to bottom. Until we have backing financially for players etc then we will always be treading water unfortunately.
 

H-SF

Well-Known Member
Jan 2, 2020
2,198
10,484
I actually disagree. At no point over the Poch years did we have an ‘elite squad’. Poch just had a very strong tactical plan and system that the players totally bought in to. Other squads were much better individually but the combination of youthful exuberance and desire combined with a clear plan made the team perform above the sum of their parts.

When that exuberance started to wain after some set backs and the team seemed to believe they could rely on talent alone everything unravelled. Now we have a manager who sets up teams to be solid and then relies on moments of magic. The problem is with this is that we don’t have a squad of world class players to make this work. Nor will we have one anytime in the near future.
Fair enough and I agree with the second bit you said and whilst it’s true we never had an elite ‘squad’ we had an elite first XI imo. Prime Rose and Walker best pairing in England and maybe Europe, Toby and Jan in their pomp, Hugo, Eriksen who has been one of the best playmakers in Europe in the last decade, Dele and Kane firing on all cylinders and a fit Dembele.
 

synththfc

Well-Known Member
Aug 24, 2017
3,740
26,716
I hope that if it goes south and Levy ends up shortchanging Mourinho, that he goes public with it. Let the world know what we already do. Put some pressure on him.
 
Top