Manager watch: Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 632 55.8%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 419 37.0%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 82 7.2%

  • Total voters
    1,133

fishhhandaricecake

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It's not a case of resisting. It's the tactics being employed. I'm not buying this garbage of we have injuries so we can't play football.

Look at the players we have available. Are you telling me Wolves, Burnley Norwich and Watford have that many first teamers that can get ahead of our players currently playing and our bench?

Wolves - Adama
Burnley - nobody
Norwich - Cantrell, Aarons, Lewis
Watford - Capoue?

Those players I would love us to sign, but not one of those teams had more than 3 players that should be playing for us. So why are we treating them like they are the superior teams?

Right now JM is the most negative managers in the league. I don't care what he says about the players but it's clear he doesn't want to play football. If he isn't going to trust Toby, GLC, Lamela, Lucas, Winks and Alli to play football then who is he going to trust? Does he think only Son and Kane can play football? Is Sissoko now the only midfielder that we trust with a pass?

No. None of that is the case.

The first 3 games showed he can release our attacking side. Those 3 games showed work on our defending. But now we only attack if we losing? What is the point of that?

The more training sessions JM has, the more negative we get. Why curb our attacking when it's clear we can't defend? We nullify the one thing we good at.

Please don't say it's a lack of attackers. Lucas, Bergwijn and Alli are still there. JM needs to adapt the attack slightly not stop it. I appreciate the is the whole new system coming next season, but then why introduce a whole negative system that simply isn't working? Why not train in that new system now. It's not possible that he has this new system and none of the players he has at his disposal are capable of adapting to it. I simply cannot believe that because that means we need 25 new players next season.

It's just so frustrating seeing a team with Lucas, GLC, Alli, Bergwijn and Lamela literally not being allowed to play.

And no, I have not only been supporting spurs through the good years. It's been 31 years supporting Spurs, I lived through the relegation battles, cup final losses and George Graham anti-football.
Good post and agree with the principles of it mate BUT A LOT of Wolves players would get in our team right now.
 
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Good post and agree with the principles of it mate BUT A LOT of Wolves players would get in our team right now.
This is exactly the problem. Too many fans think we have great players because we did well for a couple of years. Hardly any of our players would get in any of the top 6 teams. Just shows how quickly football changes. We fucked up 3 years ago when we didn't build.
 

fedupyid

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This is exactly the problem. Too many fans think we have great players because we did well for a couple of years. Hardly any of our players would get in any of the top 6 teams. Just shows how quickly football changes. We fucked up 3 years ago when we didn't build.
Then why did we sack a manager who took us to the Champions League Final
 

Wheeler Dealer

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Yeah i'm not disputing that because I can't see obvious consistent patterns of play. But Klopp and Jose are different managers. I think Jose is more strategic and Klopp is more philosophical. Both approaches require time though because they need the right players.
Mourinho is about as strategic as Dianne Abbott.
 

Adam456

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How much would it cost to sack him ?

Here's my post (that I can't quote as the thread is locked) in the 'Who to replace Poch with' thread on Oct 27 after, I think, the Liverpool game:

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Poch obviously. I have tried to stay off SC for a few weeks to avoid the anti-poch nonsense.

But we could have won today. Could easily have been 2-0 and then see the game out. It doesn't cross mind to change manager. Look at a graph of our success over the last 30 years. Anybody who thinks we should change manager after 6-7 months of poor league form mixed in with a CL run to final is clearly smoking crack

And while we're here, Mourinho's anti-football is a busted flush. It only works by packing your team with massive athletes and 3 world class attackers who score from nothing. And as soon as he inevitably alienates the entire team when his shit tactics don't work he's in the departure lounge waiting to get his suitcase full of cash
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I am not saying I am the only one who predicted this but this is almost exactly the way it's going. His tactics don't work and he constantly moans about the squad not being good enough. They will eventually turn on him if they haven't already.

And everybody can clearly see what Poch was getting out of the players with minimal help from the board
 

jay2040

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How much would it cost to sack him ?

Here's my post (that I can't quote as the thread is locked) in the 'Who to replace Poch with' thread on Oct 27 after, I think, the Liverpool game:

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Poch obviously. I have tried to stay off SC for a few weeks to avoid the anti-poch nonsense.

But we could have won today. Could easily have been 2-0 and then see the game out. It doesn't cross mind to change manager. Look at a graph of our success over the last 30 years. Anybody who thinks we should change manager after 6-7 months of poor league form mixed in with a CL run to final is clearly smoking crack

And while we're here, Mourinho's anti-football is a busted flush. It only works by packing your team with massive athletes and 3 world class attackers who score from nothing. And as soon as he inevitably alienates the entire team when his shit tactics don't work he's in the departure lounge waiting to get his suitcase full of cash
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I am not saying I am the only one who predicted this but this is almost exactly the way it's going. His tactics don't work and he constantly moans about the squad not being good enough. They will eventually turn on him if they haven't already.

And everybody can clearly see what Poch was getting out of the players with minimal help from the board
Nice post giving praise to yourself!

However you forget to take into account the unrest in the dressing room and the copious injuries we have since!
 

Phil-spur99

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Wonder what Levy thought of Jose’s comments on TN’D given his response to the THST in the minutes of their meeting....

“DL stressed that he does not talk about individual colleagues, members of staff, playing staff etc. in public as he feels that is private...” :whistle:
 

thekneaf

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Wonder what Levy thought of Jose’s comments on TN’D given his response to the THST in the minutes of their meeting....

“DL stressed that he does not talk about individual colleagues, members of staff, playing staff etc. in public as he feels that is private...” :whistle:
Levy isn't required contractually to sit in front of the media and answer questions about players. Jose has to do it for hours every week.

Levy doesn't need to talk to the media so very rarely does. It's just completely different.
 

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I don't think he "got it wrong".

Sanchez, Dier, Vertonghen, Skipp and Lo Celso had played 120min of football <72h earlier.

He, unlike us has to shoulder the responsibility of making judgement calls about who is fit enough to start. He probably wanted to go in at HT at least level then bring on Moura and GLC after 60-70min to try and push for a winner.

He cannot legislate for individual errors (Lloris). He has limited attacking options with both our two top goalscorer injured.

Really easy, armchair managing but I suspect the reality of tactics and planning are far tougher when you have multiple absentees.
Playing 5 centre halves against Burnley with 2 deep lying midfielders (and still looking vulnerable) would be classed as getting it wrong. In my opinion.
 

Adam456

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Nice post giving praise to yourself!

However you forget to take into account the unrest in the dressing room and the copious injuries we have since!
I'm pointing out that this was entirely predictable and many of us said it. Levy should have been saying in public that we won't sack Poch under any circumstances. And then shipped out Eriksen, Rose and whoever else as necessary as they have done or started to do for Mourinho
 

jay2040

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Playing 5 centre halves against Burnley with 2 deep lying midfielders (and still looking vulnerable) would be classed as getting it wrong. In my opinion.
It was worth trying to stop the goals going in and he changed it at half time and we did not lose the game.
 

jay2040

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I'm pointing out that this was entirely predictable and many of us said it. Levy should have been saying in public that we won't sack Poch under any circumstances. And then shipped out Eriksen, Rose and whoever else as necessary as they have done or started to do for Mourinho
You could predict Kane and Son's injury? Wow!
 

Havre

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I am not saying I am the only one who predicted this but this is almost exactly the way it's going. His tactics don't work and he constantly moans about the squad not being good enough. They will eventually turn on him if they haven't already.

And everybody can clearly see what Poch was getting out of the players with minimal help from the board
I watch 95% of all the interviews and press conferences given by Mourinho. Where is this moaning? And it is not like Pochettino wasn´t moaning since the summer as well. I would argue Mourinho moans far less than Pochettino, but the media is focusing purely on what fits the "Mourinho is negative"-narrative.

As for who is getting what out of the players. Are we talking about Brighton, Watford, Newcastle etc? To me the team is working harder now than under Pochettino. Then one can read into that in whatever way one wants.

I am not convinced Mourinho is the right man, but I am as certain as I could be (from the outside) that Pochettino had to go.

We picked Mourinho and I will not make any judgement of him until at least 12 more months. Not sure how anyone could to be honest. The same went for Pochettino. Pochettino managed to get less points than AVB/Sherwood in his first season. I wasn´t calling for his head - few did - not sure why it should be any different for Mourinho?
 

Gb160

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I am not convinced Mourinho is the right man, but I am as certain as I could be (from the outside) that Pochettino had to go.
No one is mate, no one can be, but by the same token no one can be sure he's the wrong man...it's just lazy, pre-conceived nonsense from the fans who are just fucking itching to say 'I was right' just 4 months into his tenure.
 
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Dr Benson

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I’m excited, I’m sure Jose said we can win the league next year and that we have all the players he needs
I really hope that was something he just said to keep the spirit among the players and fans, and that he has told the board the opposite. Otherwise he has a problem.
 

jay2040

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Surely it's worth creating a separate thread for those who see him as the devil and c
15m a year and playing that formation against Burnley as its ‘worth a try’ doesn’t inspire me for the future
Key word in your post being 'year'. Let's see if you are still moaning then!
 
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