Jose Mourinho

[chelmyid]

I just keep referring to Jose's period at United and the last one at Chelsea.

Both his first seasons were quite dreary, not too many goals and a lack of real direction. Then he signed reinforcements that aligned with his style - Costa & Fabregas at Chelsea, Lukaku and Matic at United. Then suddenly both teams looked full of goals and his system worked perfectly.

How do people expect him to get things rolling without 50% of our goalscorers and no Eriksen (which I think ppl are brushing over far too easy)?

He needs a summer. He needs Kane and Son. He needs more options should Kane or Son get injured.

It's also not fair to blast him when Poch at least had Llorente or Janssen on the bench. We literally have no plan B.

Do people expect Jose to just suddenly adopt a high pressing approach? No coach just dramatically changes their way of coaching.

We just have to wait for next season as our situation means were in a mess regardless of the strategy and players we use.

Absolutely bang on

this day and age though nobody has any patience

This stale squad, as everyone agrees, are trying to understand new ideas going against something they have been playing for 5 years.

I would also argue that one of the most obvious things we have always lacked is a good level of intelligence (I don’t mean 2+2 is 4) and that’s why I don’t think we have ever managed to win a trophy.

mourinho always has clever football brains and I’m not convinced we have a huge amount of those.
Kane, Lo celso, ndom, bergwijn, alderwireld, definitely have it with the skill to back it up

dier and Davies I would argue are also intelligent footballers (albeit their ability (certainly diers) leaves little to the imagination)
The rest..... I’m not so sure

so we’re trying to change a group of players (3 of the intelligent ones all new) into a new way of playing and the expectation it will change over night!!!

do I enjoy our lack of identity at the moment - no
Do I accept that time is needed - absolutely

 

[Metalhead]

You're good people

I look at it like this - not only has Jose come in once the season has started but this is a totally new coaching setup. I don't think that there has been much appreciation of the latter point. Good things take time.

 

[Gb160]

Levy thinks longer than the fans. LOL. Levy is the reason we are in this situation. Levy sacked the man who took us to the Champions League Final. Consistently qualified us for the Champions League. This without backing him. This to bring in the ultimate mercenary who has no loyalties. I do not understand Spurs fans backing of Levy and further their backing of Mourinho. The football is terrible and we have been outplayed by numerous teams with Kane and Son. Get the poison out of the club Levy out and Jose our.

Wake up.
Levy is the guy who put up with almost 12 months of relegation form football, by the time he pulled the trigger the majority of fans wanted Poch out.
If you dont understand why fans back Mourinho who's been in the job 3 months, and Levy then it says more about you than it does them.

 

[Metalhead]

You can't say that, the mourinho apologists will be up in arms.

We're all Spurs fans at the end of the day. I don't think that anyone is happy with the situation - some are just more patient than others. I've been waiting 30 years for some real success. I can wait a bit longer.

 

[chelmyid]

He's shit. He's s shit man and nowadays he's a shit manager. His tactics are out-dated, this passive nonsense doesn't work against even decent teams anymore. And he can't coach the players it seems - there's no defensive organisation and no cohesion going forward.

His main tactic seems to be hope the opposition miss the chances they get and hope one of our talented attackers gets something. So basically, to get lucky and we've been generally lucky. But it's not a sustainable model.

And the constant excuse making and claims of having no other options is pathetic. It's a losers mentality. And that's what he is nowadays - a loser.

If you make a mistake, the best response is to admit it and rectify it as soon as possible. That's what Levy needs to do. Appointing Mourinho was a mistake, now he needs to swallow his pride and fix it.

This sort of post really really boils my piss

you have no idea what he is like as a man, not in the media. Infact a huge amount of his former players talk so so highly of him? Your comments have now set the tone, you just don’t like Jose!

If you genuinely believe one of the most decorated and driven managers in world football has a tactic driven by hope I’m not so sure you understand football at all!

people often get excuses and reasons confused and I would argue you have done the same. There are factual reasons why we are struggling right now - not excuses, reasons

Only time will tell if it’s a mistake - and that’s something that can and will be afforded to one of the best managers in the world.
if he fails with us after 18months or so then so be it. He goes. Just like any other manager.
Your opinions are tainted by your personal dislike of a person, making them biased without looking at the evidence.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

You can't say that, the mourinho apologists will be up in arms.

Three months and there are apologists? You sound like a child.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Levy thinks longer than the fans. LOL. Levy is the reason we are in this situation. Levy sacked the man who took us to the Champions League Final. Consistently qualified us for the Champions League. This without backing him. This to bring in the ultimate mercenary who has no loyalties. I do not understand Spurs fans backing of Levy and further their backing of Mourinho. The football is terrible and we have been outplayed by numerous teams with Kane and Son. Get the poison out of the club Levy out and Jose our.

Levy ain't going anywhere. He'll sell for an alleged £2bn, but at this price, there is a very small list of potential buyers. Gone are the days of Abramovich and City's sheiks who bought a club at the point of bankruptcy for next to nothing. We're the finished deal, granted with the exception of success on the pitch, so it's going to take a very specific mega rich buyer, which could take forever, if this happens at all.

In terms of Mourinho, I think many are coming to the conclusion, he's a bad fit, that if allowed to fester for too long, could be a bigger disaster than it already is. I suspect contractual compensation will prevent Levy from pulling the trigger irrespective of the dross, and potential mutiny it may cause, particularly if he continues to serve up the football and bullshit we are currently experiencing.

 

[coys200]

No excuse for setting up like he did yesterday in a 541. The fact we don’t have an orthodox striker makes it impossible for the 1. Even Kane would struggle. It’s not like we are some bottom of the table team. Our 5 attacking players yesterday cost near on £200m ( if you value Winks around £35m) plus he had a player probably valued at £70m on the bench. We set up like a relegation threatened team was pathetic. I’m generally a very optimistic person. But the constant negative talk plus the tactics is even bringing me down. It’s football it should be exciting it should be fun and right now it isn’t.

 

[SpunkyBackpack]

Bloody hell, lots of grumpy guts here this morning because half term is nearly over and its back to school tomorrow.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

No excuse for setting up like he did yesterday in a 541. The fact we don’t have an orthodox striker makes it impossible for the 1. Even Kane would struggle. It’s not like we are some bottom of the table team. Our 5 attacking players yesterday cost near on £200m ( if you value Winks around £35m) plus he had a player probably valued at £70m on the bench. We set up like a relegation threatened team was pathetic. I’m generally a very optimistic person. But the constant negative talk plus the tactics is even bringing me down. It’s football it should be exciting it should be fun and right now it isn’t.

No one values Winks at that on here. Where do you come up with these numbers?

 

[TOLBINY]

Fact is Jose is getting more in terms of points per game out of the same bunch of players (minus Kane, Son and Sissoko for some of it) than Poch was getting. That is not a dig at Poch or great praise for Jose, instead it is an indication that the fundimental problem is the squad itself. Jose heaping praise on them for their efforts is merely a way of keeping them all content until May. Then we will see what Jose is made of.

 

[dontcallme]

No excuse for setting up like he did yesterday in a 541. The fact we don’t have an orthodox striker makes it impossible for the 1. Even Kane would struggle. It’s not like we are some bottom of the table team. Our 5 attacking players yesterday cost near on £200m ( if you value Winks around £35m) plus he had a player probably valued at £70m on the bench. We set up like a relegation threatened team was pathetic. I’m generally a very optimistic person. But the constant negative talk plus the tactics is even bringing me down. It’s football it should be exciting it should be fun and right now it isn’t.

Extraordinary how many posters are criticising the lineup after the game but in the match thread most were in favour before the game.

I think TA and Vertonghen are on a decline and the other defenders are either not up to standard or are inexperienced. Add this to a midfield without a DM or ability to dominate the ball and trying to shut up shop isn’t going to work.

Yesterday I believe we were on a hiding to nothing and if we had tried to play an open game would have lost by more.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

This sort of post really really boils my piss

you have no idea what he is like as a man, not in the media. Infact a huge amount of his former players talk so so highly of him? Your comments have now set the tone, you just don’t like Jose!

If you genuinely believe one of the most decorated and driven managers in world football has a tactic driven by hope I’m not so sure you understand football at all!

people often get excuses and reasons confused and I would argue you have done the same. There are factual reasons why we are struggling right now - not excuses, reasons

Only time will tell if it’s a mistake - and that’s something that can and will be afforded to one of the best managers in the world.
if he fails with us after 18months or so then so be it. He goes. Just like any other manager.
Your opinions are tainted by your personal dislike of a person, making them biased without looking at the evidence.

Understand your point, but everything in life has a cycle and eventually this cycle finishes and this also applies to football managers. The best people and businesses irrespective of their past success strive to consistently innovate, change and competitively position themselves for future trends and challenges. You can't sit back a bask in the glories of yesteryear as everyone else will be overtaking you.

 

[dontcallme]

Understand your point, but everything in life has a cycle and eventually this cycle finishes and this also applies to football managers. The best people and businesses irrespective of their past success strive to consistently innovate, change and competitively position themselves for future trends and challenges. You can't sit back a bask in the glories of yesteryear as everyone else will be overtaking you.

While this is true I don’t understand why fans not in favour of Jose seem to be ignoring the fact that our results have been good since he took over.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Understand your point, but everything in life has a cycle and eventually this cycle finishes and this also applies to football managers. The best people and businesses irrespective of their past success strive to consistently innovate, change and competitively position themselves for future trends and challenges. You can't sit back a bask in the glories of yesteryear as everyone else will be overtaking you.

Spurs are stuck in the idealistic 60's and early 80's then, like alot of the support it seems. Perennial dreamers of glory, the harsh reality being no where near the ideal.

 

[Metalhead]

Levy ain't going anywhere. He'll sell for an alleged £2bn, but at this price, there is a very small list of potential buyers. Gone are the days of Abramovich and City's sheiks who bought a club at the point of bankruptcy for next to nothing. We're the finished deal, granted with the exception of success on the pitch, so it's going to take a very specific mega rich buyer, which could take forever, if this happens at all.

In terms of Mourinho, I think many are coming to the conclusion, he's a bad fit, that if allowed to fester for too long, could be a bigger disaster than it already is. I suspect contractual compensation will prevent Levy from pulling the trigger irrespective of the dross, and potential mutiny it may cause, particularly if he continues to serve up the football and bullshit we are currently experiencing.

Maybe Levy also anticipated a rocky road to the end of the season and knew that it wouldn't all come together straightaway.

 

[Japhet]

I think the reality is that Mourinho is here for the forseeable future, like it or not. His claims of a new, revolutionary brand of football would appear to be pie in the sky and the leopard hasn't changed his spots. He's had his honeymoon period where we had a huge amount of luck and amassed a decent number of points but we've also seen what we can expect to be dished up each week. It's fair to say that he needs a couple of transfer windows to properly stamp his mark on the club, but if it's a more expensive and newer version of what's on offer now, as far as I'm concerned he can stick it up his arse. Levy is not going to fire him, neither should he. He's nailed his colours to Mourinho's mast and we have to suck it up now. I can see the rest of this season being a continual cycle of shit football, hit and miss results, recycled excuses and players becoming disgruntled. I can't imagine Harry Kane being at all keen on hanging around for too much of it either.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I think the reality is that Mourinho is here for the forseeable future, like it or not. His claims of a new, revolutionary brand of football would appear to be pie in the sky and the leopard hasn't changed his spots. He's had his honeymoon period where we had a huge amount of luck and amassed a decent number of points but we've also seen what we can expect to be dished up each week. It's fair to say that he needs a couple of transfer windows to properly stamp his mark on the club, but if it's a more expensive and newer version of what's on offer now, as far as I'm concerned he can stick it up his arse. Levy is not going to fire him, neither should he. He's nailed his colours to Mourinho's mast and we have to suck it up now. I can see the rest of this season being a continual cycle of shit football, hit and miss results, recycled excuses and players becoming disgruntled. I can't imagine Harry Kane being at all keen on hanging around for too much of it either.

Can we stop with this rubbish? Mourinho has a history of making his number one striker an absolute monster on the footballing stage - Kane is ready made to lead a Mourinho managed team.

 

[cider spurs]

Not getting the Mourinho out already logic.

Been here what, 3 months. Trying to get a tune out of a squad riddled with injuries, not to mention some players that have declined vastly this season.

You can maybe look at Mourinho’s tactics and call it 'negative football'. Personally, I'm of the opinion it's 'make do football'. Basically making do with what he has to work with at present.

Fine if you want rid right now, but I for one can't see another manager coming in and not enduring the same problems until seasons end.

The squad needs an overhaul and absentees returning, good pre season to boot.

 

[slartibartfast]

Spurs are stuck in the idealistic 60's and early 80's then, like alot of the support it seems. Perennial dreamers of glory, the harsh reality being no where near the ideal.

You're funny.
You think we're going to win something with this bloke playing this way?
Ok mate, whatever.