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How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

Dr Benson

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Aug 22, 2013
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When we talk about Mourinho, I would like to add something: I'm quite interested in war history and especially WW2. I think we can kind of compare war strategists with modern football managers in the way they have to plan a battle and come up with a smart strategy. And, when we look at great war strategists like e.g. Rommel, he had great trained and many huge regiments and highly up to date tanks and technology on his side. How many great and famous modern war strategists from WW2 have you all heard about from lets say Greece, Norway or Holland? Not many. Because they didn't have the disposal of great forces, men and technology at that time (not compared to Germany, UK, USA, Soviet Union, Japan etc.) , and without it they did not win a single battle (almost). And what's my point (yes, I am drunk)? Great football managers have great players and very often also great owners/boards and funds behind them. Without great players to disposal, it is quite impossible to make an impact on the very top top level in the best tournaments in the world, like PL an CL. And even though some of our players are developed in our academy more or less, it is still based on resources we have. Lets wait until Son and Kane are back and Mourinho has had another shopping window behind him before we judge. Next season. And if he still manages to bring us a new season with CL and maybe also a FA-cup trophy this season, with Dele, Bergwijn and Moura as the front attacking line, he really deserves credit. I still think Mourinho is a great strategists and modern football hasn't changed much since 2004 if we are talking about how the game is played (warfare has changed a lot since WW2 though..).
 
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Bulletspur

The Reasonable Advocate
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Oct 17, 2006
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Ngl but today was the first day that I thought about the decision to sign Mourinho. I understand we won't be a possession based team but the first half wasn't a massacre because of Hugo Lloris.

I love his man management and the way he speaks in press conferences but today I am very unsure about his tactics now.

We couldn't make any threaten against Leipzig with no natural CBs. We can't make 3 passes under pressure. Everything feels weird tbf.
I agree with your post. I hate this "soak up the pressure and have a go when a break at speed" tactics. Is ugly, its risky and does not show us in a good light. Even though we recently beat City and Soton playing this way, I would still rather us try and play competitive football. rather than looking like a bunch of scary amateurs.
 

whitesocks

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Jan 16, 2014
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With the tactics Mourinho employs there is one game I'm dreading to see, that's when Arsenal comes for the very first time to our stadium.

Football wise it might be humiliation

Mourinho has made it clear that the way we are playing now with no strikers is how it has got to be until the end of the season.
It will be rope-a-dope every time for the bigger games.

And fans are going to moan, as it is negative football, but with these fast transitions, we are creating chances.
So the results might not be so bad, and luckily for the arse game, the score is the only thing that counts.
And that is probably true for the chelsea and west ham games too.
 

totty

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Jul 23, 2005
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I'm sure i'm gonna get some flak for what i'm gonna say below but here goes...........

WHERE WERE THESE JOSE BASHERS WHEN WE SCORED 2 GOALS FROM 2 SHOTS AGAINST CITY????

The only thing that counts is the Final Score after every game and our league placing at 5pm on 17th May.

Ends justify means, we've tried building our beloved club in a "fit and proper way" since ENIC took over, tried having club legend Hoddle, Mr nice guy manager with Jol & Redknapp, Up & Coming AVB, and built a team with an overachieving Mauricio on limited resources.

I'm not begrudging Pochy for his achievements with us definitely, he's brought us the most joy in my 30 years as a Yid but i'm not one who keeps looking back cos only Bindippers keep looking to the past.

Fact is that Mauricio's 2019 has 15 points from 14 games, that was papered over by a UCL Final achieved by moments of magic, not saying Jose's a definite success but am liking what i've seen in the past 3 months.

No more fluffing about at the back with individual errors leading to goals conceded, no more favoritism (as seen with Kane in the UCL Final), having new signings play immediately and calling things like it is in Pressers rather than going politically correct always.

I'm a Tottenham Hotspur fan who wants the best for the football club, not a fan of a player, manager or country.

No name on the back of the shirt is bigger than the Cock in front.

It doesn't matter if we have Papa Smurf, Thanos or Emperor Palpatine in charge of our club, as long as we get success.
 

Shanks

Kinda not anymore....
May 11, 2005
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1 mistake cost us in the week, a top side at the top of their game with one of Europe’s best strikers couldn’t score past us in open play.

not really wasn’t that bad.

mad for style of play, it’s not great butit’s been like that for well over a year now. Last year we lost almost 20 games.

mourinho is doing well and I reckon given him a supported transfer window and a ore-season - we’ll compete on more levels than we have seen before.

problem is we need to be patient
 

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
Nov 24, 2013
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I'm sure i'm gonna get some flak for what i'm gonna say below but here goes...........

WHERE WERE THESE JOSE BASHERS WHEN WE SCORED 2 GOALS FROM 2 SHOTS AGAINST CITY????

The only thing that counts is the Final Score after every game and our league placing at 5pm on 17th May.

Ends justify means, we've tried building our beloved club in a "fit and proper way" since ENIC took over, tried having club legend Hoddle, Mr nice guy manager with Jol & Redknapp, Up & Coming AVB, and built a team with an overachieving Mauricio on limited resources.

I'm not begrudging Pochy for his achievements with us definitely, he's brought us the most joy in my 30 years as a Yid but i'm not one who keeps looking back cos only Bindippers keep looking to the past.

Fact is that Mauricio's 2019 has 15 points from 14 games, that was papered over by a UCL Final achieved by moments of magic, not saying Jose's a definite success but am liking what i've seen in the past 3 months.

No more fluffing about at the back with individual errors leading to goals conceded, no more favoritism (as seen with Kane in the UCL Final), having new signings play immediately and calling things like it is in Pressers rather than going politically correct always.

I'm a Tottenham Hotspur fan who wants the best for the football club, not a fan of a player, manager or country.

No name on the back of the shirt is bigger than the Cock in front.

It doesn't matter if we have Papa Smurf, Thanos or Emperor Palpatine in charge of our club, as long as we get success.
Thanos would be a good midfield enforcer.
 
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Thanos would be a good midfield enforcer.
I've always felt Walt Harris in his prime would have been a fine DM - this comment is so niche that only a few Americans that hale from Chicago may understand it.
 

dudu

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Jan 28, 2011
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I just don't understand what the problem is -

Does anyone really think had Naglesman come in instead of Jose we would be playing like Leipzig now?

We have one of the most provably sound, successful managers in the world who is doing the best he can in what is, let's be honest, a shit show of a situation that any manager in the world would struggle to cope with.

Poch was struggling to cope with our situation and still had all of his attacking options available to him. I'm not bashing Poch, it's just how it is.

Circumstance has to play a part, which I understand some will never allow for. I am just personally very calm about what Jose hs done for us so far and where he will be taking us in the future.

Losing 2 of the last 13 shows me we are definitely, without question getting harder to beat despite getting more and more decimated as a squad.
 

chelmyid

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Aug 25, 2010
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Fully behind Jose now, this flippant 'hes past it' bullshit is getting on my tits.
The guy has more footballing acumen than almost anyone in the game, give home time and we will be a force!
You missed a vital part in that analysis - he also has more acumen than the majority of ‘experts’ on here!
 

chelmyid

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Aug 25, 2010
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I also think people are forgetting a few things about last season, we went into it without signing anyone for 2 windows, the majority of our players going deep into the W/C, losing Son for the Asian Games, we still had to contend with injuries to Kane. Ali, Sissoko, Eriksen and winks all being run into the ground, the stadium delay. The list really goes on and despite that, we still put in some wonderful performances had some excellent/memorable results AND we were still in a title race only 5(?) Points off 1st up to the end of February? It wasn't terrible football for 12/18 months it was really more like 6/8 months.

Yes Jose deserves time and yes he's having a tough time with injuries, but people are willing to cut him some slack yet forget what Poch had to contend with.
The issue some have is apparently you can’t support Jose because that’s shitting on Poch??
I love what poch did for us but I also believe that he had run his race and facts prove that.
I am comfortable enough to support Jose with worrying that I am doing Poch some sort of misjustice.
It’s not going to change so get on board and support the club is my theory

for instance - why is the eriksen thread still open? He’s gone, that’s that - why are we still obsessing over a player that has gone - probably waiting for him to tear it up so people can start saying we shouldn’t have sold him, he was the best blah blah blah
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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I just don't understand what the problem is -

Does anyone really think had Naglesman come in instead of Jose we would be playing like Leipzig now?

We have one of the most provably sound, successful managers in the world who is doing the best he can in what is, let's be honest, a shit show of a situation that any manager in the world would struggle to cope with.

Poch was struggling to cope with our situation and still had all of his attacking options available to him. I'm not bashing Poch, it's just how it is.

Circumstance has to play a part, which I understand some will never allow for. I am just personally very calm about what Jose hs done for us so far and where he will be taking us in the future.

Losing 2 of the last 13 shows me we are definitely, without question getting harder to beat despite getting more and more decimated as a squad.
Love the positivity and realism mate and agree with a lot of this, I think the only thing is that he's setting us up so deep and defensively at home. I get it in big games away from home sure do what needs to be done but I think the fans are getting a little frustrate with the fact we barely have any possession at home repeatedly as its awfully negative and hard to watch. If he's doing this because he believes its the best way to grind out results until we have our players back and new signings then fair enough but the concern comes that this is how Jose set-up a lot at Man.U for example and eventually the fans just got sick and tired of it.

I'm in a similar boat to you that its a hugely tricky situation and we need to muddle through until next summer and then hopefully with 3-4 new signings in the right areas and Kane,Son, Sissoko etc back we can see more of a balanced approach rather than just completely surrendering all posession and initiative to the opposition, I'm positive this will be the case as I actually think Jose is playing like this to conserve our thereadbare squads energy otherwise they'll burnout, we'll then get muscle injuries to say Bergweign or Lucas or Dele and we will then be right in the shit.

Agree with you mate its a very tough situ for Jose and given the results we've been getting we need to be patient and judge him and the style of football etc from next season onwards.
 

SpartanSpur

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Jan 27, 2011
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I just don't understand what the problem is -

Does anyone really think had Naglesman come in instead of Jose we would be playing like Leipzig now?

We have one of the most provably sound, successful managers in the world who is doing the best he can in what is, let's be honest, a shit show of a situation that any manager in the world would struggle to cope with.

Poch was struggling to cope with our situation and still had all of his attacking options available to him. I'm not bashing Poch, it's just how it is.

Circumstance has to play a part, which I understand some will never allow for. I am just personally very calm about what Jose hs done for us so far and where he will be taking us in the future.

Losing 2 of the last 13 shows me we are definitely, without question getting harder to beat despite getting more and more decimated as a squad.

Unless Nagelsmann would have had everyone in a classroom on their recovery days over Jose's first few months I highly doubt it would be the case, as there was next to no time on the training pitch since he joined. Even more so if you subscribe to the notion something went wrong with our fitness in preseason, which I firmly believe in.

Maybe the counter argument is Rodgers at Leicester although I believe he joined in late February, so a lot of the fixture congestion had died down for them by then. I'd also counter by saying Puel had them as a pretty solid but dull outfit that needed a spark, a perfect scenario that many managers made a career out of (Wenger and Roberto Martinez good examples I can think of that had their best results early on with inherited defences). Trying to turn around a team playing poorly and defending terribly is a much bigger ask, one Pochettino did very successfully albeit after one year and two preseasons.

I'm trying to take a step back and look at it this way when I comes to Jose*, rather than the "FFS, we're Spurs, we can't be playing like cowards at home, Leipzig didn't even exist 15 years ago. Jose is making us look like proper mugs, read this piece by Miguel Delaney explaining why he's past it" approach. It's cliche but he 100% needs a preseason before I'll be jumping on his back.

I totally understand why people have concerns/complaints about how we're playing, I don't want another 2-3 years of this at all, especially against inferior sides. Although after seeing us get shithoused quite often in our prime under Poch I do quite enjoy a smash and grab like Wolves and City, I like seeing our players throw themselves into blocks for the team and the fast counters can be genuinely exciting on the rare occasions our attackers make the right decision. We're certainly seeing fight from the players now, something that wasn't there at the start of the season.

*and thats even before looking at the terrible luck with injuries he's had
 

0-Tibsy-0

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Aug 13, 2012
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1 mistake cost us in the week, a top side at the top of their game with one of Europe’s best strikers couldn’t score past us in open play.

not really wasn’t that bad.

mad for style of play, it’s not great butit’s been like that for well over a year now. Last year we lost almost 20 games.

mourinho is doing well and I reckon given him a supported transfer window and a ore-season - we’ll compete on more levels than we have seen before.

problem is we need to be patient

I think this misses the point that we are not playing attacking football, yet are also conceding so many good chances. The fact they only scored 1 goal from a penalty is not indicative of our defending or of good defending - but desperate lats man defending, a goalkeeper keeping us in the game and bad finishing by the opposition (see Man City/ Villa first half and RB Leipzig). And is why I think our results in the league are currently unsustainable when compared with performances.
 

buckley

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Sep 15, 2012
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I just cannot bring myself to blame Jose after Spurs 2 Bayern 7. Brighton 3 sours 0 its not the defeats its the manner of the losses it was really awful we were on the floor and as much as I supported Poch the football we played was dire and some games with 70 % plus possession we were getting well beaten not only by the final score but shots on target .
Until this man can bring in his own players he gets a free ride from me .
For all the talk of his direct style there has been some enjoyable games under Jose .
25 titles in 20 years and some are saying he is a yesterday man well for me at 57 years of age he is coming into his prime years for a manager.
 

Japhet

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Aug 30, 2010
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Love the positivity and realism mate and agree with a lot of this, I think the only thing is that he's setting us up so deep and defensively at home. I get it in big games away from home sure do what needs to be done but I think the fans are getting a little frustrate with the fact we barely have any possession at home repeatedly as its awfully negative and hard to watch. If he's doing this because he believes its the best way to grind out results until we have our players back and new signings then fair enough but the concern comes that this is how Jose set-up a lot at Man.U for example and eventually the fans just got sick and tired of it.

I'm in a similar boat to you that its a hugely tricky situation and we need to muddle through until next summer and then hopefully with 3-4 new signings in the right areas and Kane,Son, Sissoko etc back we can see more of a balanced approach rather than just completely surrendering all posession and initiative to the opposition, I'm positive this will be the case as I actually think Jose is playing like this to conserve our thereadbare squads energy otherwise they'll burnout, we'll then get muscle injuries to say Bergweign or Lucas or Dele and we will then be right in the shit.

Agree with you mate its a very tough situ for Jose and given the results we've been getting we need to be patient and judge him and the style of football etc from next season onwards.

I think we have to wait it out until we find out whether Mourinho is playing this dreadful style of football out of preference or necessity. It does however seem strange to me that we continue to lump the ball up to our front line (even though they're ill equipped to deal with it), when we now have the option of some very good passers in midfield who should be able to wrestle control of that area from many of our opponents. At the moment, my hunch is that this is how Mourinho wants to play which begs the question; What has happened to his new, revolutionary style of football we were told about when he joined?
 

shelfboy68

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Jun 14, 2008
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I think this misses the point that we are not playing attacking football, yet are also conceding so many good chances. The fact they only scored 1 goal from a penalty is not indicative of our defending or of good defending - but desperate lats man defending, a goalkeeper keeping us in the game and bad finishing by the opposition (see Man City/ Villa first half and RB Leipzig). And is why I think our results in the league are currently unsustainable when compared with performances.
If it wasn't for wasteful finishing in those games you mentioned we could of been on the end of a hiding each time, even the other night Leipzig had three chances in the first 90 secs including hitting the post the tie could of been all over by 15 mins.
 

freeeki

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Aug 5, 2008
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Fuck me.

We've lost 3 games from our last 13 ffs.

Of those 13 games:

- Our best player and only striker has been injured for the last 11 of them
- Our second best player and second best goalscorer was suspended for the first 3, and injured for the last 1
- Son and Kane have played a total of zero minutes together
- Our captain and goalkeeper was injured for the first 7 of them
- Our (arguably) most consistent player from last season (Sissoko) has been injured for the last 10
- Our record signing has only started 3 times, being substituted at 25 mins and 61 mins in 2 of those games
- Our squad had the undoubtedly toxic presence of two players who openly wanted to leave for 9 of them

In spite of all of that, we've lost 3 games from our last 13. One of which, you could argue we really didn't deserve to lose.

If Pochettino had achieved that set of results in that set of circumstances, folk on here would be hailing him as a miracle worker. But because Jose's done it, he's apparently tactically inept and devoid of ideas.

The transparent desire a minority on here have for Mourinho to fail would be funny if it weren't so pitifully tragic.
 

SpartanSpur

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Jan 27, 2011
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I think this misses the point that we are not playing attacking football, yet are also conceding so many good chances. The fact they only scored 1 goal from a penalty is not indicative of our defending or of good defending - but desperate lats man defending, a goalkeeper keeping us in the game and bad finishing by the opposition (see Man City/ Villa first half and RB Leipzig). And is why I think our results in the league are currently unsustainable when compared with performances.

I do agree with this, we really need to start tightening up on that front. I think the lopsided FBs are a big part of this, it suits a front foot approach much more than a defensive one. Aurier neglects his defensive duties too much and Davies tucked in way too far vs RBL. I suspect we'll go back to a 3-5-2 vs Chelsea for a bit more balance and stability. We are far from a Simeone or Conte style team, or even peak Mourinho. Not tight enough at the back and the forwards aren't finding the right positions to be a constant out ball. Certainly work to be done and improvements that can made even under the difficult circumstances. I think I'm still in the boat of showing sympathy towards him for the shit hand he's been dealt, but he can do more for sure.

Surpisingly the xG for Leipzig was not very high in open play however, as Werner's chance at the near post was offside the total xG was around 1-1.5, things certainly looked worse because of how badly we started the game and how well RBL played.
 

SpartanSpur

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If it wasn't for wasteful finishing in those games you mentioned we could of been on the end of a hiding each time, even the other night Leipzig had three chances in the first 90 secs including hitting the post the tie could of been all over by 15 mins.

City and Leipzig, yes, but Villa we should have easily outscored them based on the chances in the game. Son and Dele could easily have had 3-4 each. Wasted opportunities go both ways.
 

shelfboy68

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Jun 14, 2008
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City and Leipzig, yes, but Villa we should have easily outscored them based on the chances in the game. Son and Dele could easily have had 3-4 each. Wasted opportunities go both ways.
Eventually yes but the first 20 mins villa could of been 3-0 like the other night we start with no drive whatsoever
 
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