Manager watch: Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 632 55.8%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 419 37.0%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 81 7.2%

  • Total voters
    1,132

yankspurs

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If Chelsea get fourth after their form in the last 4 months it'll be because everyone else blew it. They're results have beed awful and somehow they are still there.
They are still in 4th because everyone else has been in shocking form all year. Only we have had a recent uptick and we’re still 4 points back. If Chelsea do not get top 4 this season, it will be because they completely bottled it.
 

whitestreak

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IMHO Based on the table above
if we win at the bridge, we will secure 4th all other things being equal
In fact beat Leicester at the lane and we could end up 3rd
 

slartibartfast

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They are still in 4th because everyone else has been in shocking form all year. Only we have had a recent uptick and we’re still 4 points back. If Chelsea do not get top 4 this season, it will be because they completely bottled it.
I think losing 6 and drawing 2 of your last 12 is bottling it.
As you said everyone else is so shit they cant even capitalise on a total collapse like that.
 

slartibartfast

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They are still in 4th because everyone else has been in shocking form all year. Only we have had a recent uptick and we’re still 4 points back. If Chelsea do not get top 4 this season, it will be because they completely bottled it.
Their results are almost as shocking as my use of the word their / they're.
Fixed it. Was an accident. Honest.
 

kmk

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That's not a picture, it's literally a table full of numbers and words. I humbly ask you to change your post to read "a table full of numbers and words is worth many words". Thanks.
Actually it is a picture (PNG image file of a table.
 

Barrd10

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Ok, I'm going to come out of the closet, I have never liked JM, never will. I was happy when he got sacked from Utd, not just because they were in the poo, but because him and the circus he brings with him were out of the premier league. Yeah, he will probably win us something in the next 18 months, but do I want to pay the price of listening to his egotistical mutterings or his lies, his style of play and eventually leaving on some huge pay out, I don't think I am.
He has been the same at every club he has been at, all smiles etc in the beginning, but eventually the mask will slip and we will see the real Jose. I fear what the club will be like when he does go, even if he brings us some shiny things.
We will see what legacy he will leave, but a bit of my Tottenham soul died when he was appointed.
Exactly how I feel except that football has moved on and I don’t think José will win us a trophy.
 

buckley

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The thing about Merson's comments regarding Mourhino is that Merson is hardly overburdened with the grey matter .
 

Barrd10

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The thing is that ManCity have such a massive talented squad they can afford to put out a great team for the domestic cups. Liverpool are in the middle of a massive purple patch which may last another season or two. So our chances of winning domestically are dramatically reduced. Jose is up against it and he knows how to win games but I don’t think that will be enough to win a trophy unless we get really lucky. Maybe if we end up in the Europa League next year and he concentrates on that we may win it as the big (better) teams won’t be in it.
 

Saoirse

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IMHO Based on the table above
if we win at the bridge, we will secure 4th all other things being equal
In fact beat Leicester at the lane and we could end up 3rd
It's a long-shot. If their form regressed to that of a mid-table side - like, say, Arsenal - they'd end up on 69 points with a strong goal difference. To get to 70 we need 33 points from our last 13 games - 11 wins. So unless they go totally off into relegation form all of a sudden, you're talking about both a collapse from Leicester and title-winning form from us (form that'd see us hit 96 points over a full season in this case).

It really does illustrate how lucky we've got to still have a chance - we were just as far away from Chelsea when Jose came in but they've been really, really bad the past few months.
 

Flashspur

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The thing is that ManCity have such a massive talented squad they can afford to put out a great team for the domestic cups. Liverpool are in the middle of a massive purple patch which may last another season or two. So our chances of winning domestically are dramatically reduced. Jose is up against it and he knows how to win games but I don’t think that will be enough to win a trophy unless we get really lucky. Maybe if we end up in the Europa League next year and he concentrates on that we may win it as the big (better) teams won’t be in it.
Football changes quickly. What goes up comes down. That dynamic that Klopp has forged will wane as has Pep's Man City experiment. There is a good chance the PL top 4 will look differently next year. Liverpool arent bolted on by any means unless Klopp has discovered the magic pudding. Its called entropy.
 

Ben1

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Football changes quickly. What goes up comes down. That dynamic that Klopp has forged will wane as has Pep's Man City experiment. There is a good chance the PL top 4 will look differently next year. Liverpool arent bolted on by any means unless Klopp has discovered the magic pudding. Its called entropy.
Spot on. Two years ago, Man City were basically gifted the title for the foreseeable future by the media, a dominant force to take over the world. Now they're a mile back, just in second in a generally poor season, with no european silverware yet (getting further away if anything).
 

rez9000

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Football changes quickly. What goes up comes down. That dynamic that Klopp has forged will wane as has Pep's Man City experiment. There is a good chance the PL top 4 will look differently next year. Liverpool arent bolted on by any means unless Klopp has discovered the magic pudding. Its called entropy.
It’s all about team-spirit, or what clever people like to call ‘squad cohesion’; but the latter phrase doesn’t quite encapsulate everything that the former does, in my view.

On paper, their star players notwithstanding, Liverpool are not a great side, on paper. They are very good, don’t get me wrong, but they have players who, looked at in isolation, are not world-beaters. The likes of Robertson and Henderson, while good, are not in the world-class bracket.

However, on the pitch, Liverpool are (difficult though it is to say) a great side. Remaining unbeaten and winning the vast majority of their games for such a sustained period of time is evidence of that. What makes them that great side on the pitch is that they very obviously all pull together. They share a common vision and objective. And that is down to their manager.

THAT is Klopp’s triumph. However good he may be tactically, it’s his ability to mould a group of individuals into a single unit that has turned a good-on-paper Liverpool side into the tour de force that they are this season.

And it was also what made Man City the phenom they were two seasons ago. Guardiola instilled that common purpose. And they blew everyone away with it.

And going back a few years, a large part of what made Clough one of the greatest managers who ever lived (in my view, anyway) was that he had that ability - when you listen to the likes of Martin O'Neil, Peter Shilton, John McGovern or Trevor Francis, even if they choose to criticise aspects of Clough's approach, they all talk about how he could make them feel like kings with a single gesture and how that translated into a real espirit de corps. How else would a relatively unknown provincial team like Nottingham Forest become League winners and two-time European champions?

The flipside however, as Flashspur says, is that that quality cannot be maintained indefinitely. It peters out eventually. See what is happening with Man City. They are, by and large, the same team that dominated the League the last two seasons, but suddenly that terrifying ability to dismantle teams has gone.

And looking at Spurs, when we peaked a couple of seasons ago, when we made it to the cusp of League victory, one thing that I noticed was just how close the players seemed to be to each other. They seemed to derive real joy in being around each other on the pitch.

It may not be the easiest thing to define or quantify, and it isn't the only thing that a good or great side needs, but it definitely plays a vital part. Liverpool may be benefiting from it now, to the point where they run away with the League title this season, but it won't last.

As the old saying goes, 'this too shall pass'. (Cue the Dele and Lucas Moura jokes :D)
 

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The thing about Merson's comments regarding Mourhino is that Merson is hardly overburdened with the grey matter .
He can't be objective when talking about us. His hatred towards us, combined with his poor articulation is so obviously evident that it makes him look foolish and most people with half and brain will dismiss it in an instant.
 

gavspur

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I think the similarities between us from 2/3yrs ago, to City, and now Liverpool, are quite obvious. The difference being that we just couldn’t get anything over that final hurdle. We could/should have won the league, FA Cup, and if we’d have turned up, the CL too.. I’ve said to my Liverpool supporting friend that our transfer policy and loyalty to certain players, is what took us back steps. Loyalty to guys who were drained from the way we played, and then not seeking proper alternatives to those guys, has left us where we are now.

Liverpool and City have both, in turn, done this too. I don’t think ‘Pool signed anyone in the summer, right? Then the one guy in January. Pep decided to not recruit at CB, instead taking his anchorman out of midfield to play him in defence. Also hasn’t made many signings in what, 3?, windows now. And it’s all caught up with them.

The burn out will come, they will all suffer unless they replace 1st teamers with ready to go replacements. The fact that in those peak years, they have both won stuff, sets them ahead of ourselves, and maybe Klopp will address the situation of replacements in the summer? If he doesn’t, I can’t see how ‘Pool will go on to dominate for another 2 years, I’d give them 1, maximum.
 
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