Manager watch: Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 611 59.3%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 372 36.1%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 48 4.7%

  • Total voters
    1,031

dagraham

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Mourinho's latest press conf. pretty much has him making pointed remarks that are as ever aimed at those above making the decisions about transfers. Same as his comments on Eriksen, and about tomorrows game followed by the game on Saturday.

For those that wanted Mourinho to make a point. It's beginning.
I think it began as soon as Kane got injured with him saying we basically now don’t have a proper CF (100% correct as well in my view).
 

spursfan77

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Mourinho's latest press conf. pretty much has him making pointed remarks that are as ever aimed at those above making the decisions about transfers. Same as his comments on Eriksen, and about tomorrows game followed by the game on Saturday.

For those that wanted Mourinho to make a point. It's beginning.
Let’s hope he has more success than Poch then. I suspect it won’t make any difference though
 
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Mourinho's latest press conf. pretty much has him making pointed remarks that are as ever aimed at those above making the decisions about transfers. Same as his comments on Eriksen, and about tomorrows game followed by the game on Saturday.

For those that wanted Mourinho to make a point. It's beginning.
He was always going to do this, it was nailed from the second he signed for us, it was only a matter of when and how subtle or not so subtle, but was always going to happen, JM cannot help it
 

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I think it began as soon as Kane got injured with him saying we basically now don’t have a proper CF (100% correct as well in my view).
Think it's even more so with him saying we are at our limit and the only player he can give rest to is Toby. He is intimating the hold squad is on it's limit.

This will go sour really quickly if the board genuinely don't pull their finger our, thus proving anyone, whether it be our own fans who don't like him all the way up to the media and the tea lady, right that Mourinho hasn't changed.

Personally, it's already raw for me, it's disheartening yet again we face another shite window. It really just isn't good enough.
 

freeeki

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Think it's even more so with him saying we are at our limit and the only player he can give rest to is Toby. He is intimating the hold squad is on it's limit.

This will go sour really quickly if the board genuinely don't pull their finger our, thus proving anyone, whether it be our own fans who don't like him all the way up to the media and the tea lady, right that Mourinho hasn't changed.

Personally, it's already raw for me, it's disheartening yet again we face another shite window. It really just isn't good enough.
It's January 13th and we're being linked with players all over the gaff. I'm not freaking out just yet
 

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There were plenty of positives in terms of set up and performance, but we shouldn't delude ourselves about how beta we were against Liverpool. The tactics might have fit the circumstances on this occasion, but Mourinho has a history as a reactive manager who plays the percentages, albeit rather well. It's been successful for him. But that time may have passed. Poch played a progressive game on the front foot, albeit imperfectly, and we had season after season of fun and success. It was an unfinished project, but one that exceeded expectations until this season. That's all over now and a big switch to a pragmatic, reactive approach is risky and probably regressive. And if it doesn't succeed it will set us back a long way behind the front foot teams in this league.

There are percentages to hoofing the ball from the keepers hands until it drops vertically somewhere in the opponents half. And sometimes those odds are better than passing out quickly against the best pressing teams. But over the longer term, they aren't. Similarly, you can drop deep and hope to score on the break, needing to advance the whole field to do so. Or you can challenge higher up and make things happen there.

Maybe everyone can't play the current en vogue winning way, and someone needs to break out from it to find another way. But I doubt the tactical 'genius' of always being reactive, and playing long (and high!), is going to be it.
Can agree on JM being "reactive" really, he studies opposition and works out ways to nullify their strengths whilst looking to maximise his own, this is proactive to me. Look at the evidence from his past teams, with Chelsea he achieved a record points tally with a record goal haul and a massive GDP due to so many clean sheets. With RM he had them scoring well in excess of 100 goals, worked out a way to nullify Barca (after getting gubbed 5-0 the previous season) and won the league. With AC Milan he had them winning the league by employing the same approach. Whilst he didn't win the league with Utd, he still employed this approach to finish 2nd and win 2 trophies.

All of the above points to a proactive approach where he worked out ways to nullify and maximise.

Too much emphasis is given to his pragmatic approach towards those teams who are direct challengers. Often the way to beat them is to make it a war of attrition as it takes away their main strengths. He's not a one dimensional manager, he's just had to revert to a one dimensional approach, to a great extent, this season because he's got limited resources to work with and very little time to work with them.

Those successful teams of his put the majority of their opposition to the sword on a regular basis, you don't score the goals they did by playing negative Football. This gets overlooked so often because the "showcase games" against the other elite teams he'd not go the "entertainment" route so that the TV stations could get their classics. He set up to win.

I'll take the odd war of attrition with a win, against other challengers, with goal fests against the rest all day long if it makes us successful.

Let's face it, the current best in the World have been doing that for large parts of this season and, as the pundits are so keen to tell us, that's what Champions do.
 

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Pre-match presser (v Midsbro, cup replay):



Haven't seen it posted anywhere else yet, but Mourinho makes it clear that Tanganga is signed up beyond the summer (at 18 mins in the vid).

Reporter: (paraphrase) Are you worried about Tanganga's contract situation?
JM: What is the contract situation?
Rep: Currently ends at the end of the season.
JM: WRONG. Don't worry because it's wrong.
 

Finchyid

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Pre-match presser (v Midsbro, cup replay):



Haven't seen it posted anywhere else yet, but Mourinho makes it clear that Tanganga is signed up beyond the summer (at 18 mins in the vid).

Reporter: (paraphrase) Are you worried about Tanganga's contract situation?
JM: What is the contract situation?
Rep: Currently ends at the end of the season.
JM: WRONG. Don't worry because it's wrong.
That’s quality for jm comment and tanganga
 

SpartanSpur

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His press conferences are so interesting to watch and listen to, its hard not to believe in him despite all the negative press. Such an intelligent and articulate man.

I think he makes a great point with the disruptions since he has arrived. He has taken flak this week for not developing a style of play but since Xmas he's just been putting fires out all over the place, with no time on the training ground.

We won't see the best of what Jose can do with this team until he's had a preseason IMO (typically the Euros will disrupt that too). Just need to hope he and Levy are still getting on by then!
 

Colonel Dax

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We won't see the best of what Jose can do with this team until he's had a preseason IMO (typically the Euros will disrupt that too). Just need to hope he and Levy are still getting on by then!
Agreed. Jose said that players participating up to the semi final stage of the Euros will be back in club training the same week the season starts - similar to the WC a couple of years ago. Ughh ☹
 

dagraham

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His press conferences are so interesting to watch and listen to, its hard not to believe in him despite all the negative press. Such an intelligent and articulate man.

I think he makes a great point with the disruptions since he has arrived. He has taken flak this week for not developing a style of play but since Xmas he's just been putting fires out all over the place, with no time on the training ground.

We won't see the best of what Jose can do with this team until he's had a preseason IMO (typically the Euros will disrupt that too). Just need to hope he and Levy are still getting on by then!
People might not like the way his teams play ( which is absolutely fair enough), but to suggest that somehow he’s a complete busted flush as playing styles have changed in the last few years is nonsense. He knows what he’s doing.
 

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Pre-match presser (v Midsbro, cup replay):



Haven't seen it posted anywhere else yet, but Mourinho makes it clear that Tanganga is signed up beyond the summer (at 18 mins in the vid).

Reporter: (paraphrase) Are you worried about Tanganga's contract situation?
JM: What is the contract situation?
Rep: Currently ends at the end of the season.
JM: WRONG. Don't worry because it's wrong.
  1. Watch the whole press conference and if you didn’t before then you’ll understand afterwards just what a top top manager Jose is and that he can clearly see where we need to improve but that he’s been a bit hamstrung by coming in mid season and not having time to work with the players mid week and then on top of that a ton of injuries to key players
  2. Watch from 18 mins until the end and you’ll see how he wants us to play, it is not ‘hoofball’ it’s a progressive fast direct balanced 4-2-3-1 with a 4 in defending situations and a back 3 when we build up the play, he will also know and says basically how he’s figuring out game by game our strengths and weaknesses so he’ll know how to coach and improve those, things like shape off the ball, playing with width, concentration levels etc etc and he’ll also now know which players are up to the job and which areas we need signings to get us to the level he can get us to. I really think we all need to give this man patience and time to build something with us but ideally we get some signings to improve the squad ASAP so that build and progression happens as fast as possible
  3. COYS.
 

spursfan77

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  1. Watch the whole press conference and if you didn’t before then you’ll understand afterwards just what a top top manager Jose is and that he can clearly see where we need to improve but that he’s been a bit hamstrung by coming in mid season and not having time to work with the players mid week and then on top of that a ton of injuries to key players
  2. Watch from 18 mins until the end and you’ll see how he wants us to play, it is not ‘hoofball’ it’s a progressive fast direct balanced 4-2-3-1 with a 4 in defending situations and a back 3 when we build up the play, he will also know and says basically how he’s figuring out game by game our strengths and weaknesses so he’ll know how to coach and improve those, things like shape off the ball, playing with width, concentration levels etc etc and he’ll also now know which players are up to the job and which areas we need signings to get us to the level he can get us to. I really think we all need to give this man patience and time to build something with us but ideally we get some signings to improve the squad ASAP so that build and progression happens as fast as possible
  3. COYS.
I agree with everything you say but already we’ve seen the media trying to undermine him in the last week. It only takes a few more bad results to sway the weak minded who have no patience to start tweeting, calling in radio shows, talking to SSN and eventually moaning at games to bring about negativity around the club. It just feels that’s what a section of the media are trying to do. It’s very frustrating and knowing our luck it does concern me.
 

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Yep agreed he’s a natural defender and apart from jan is the only the player comfortable playing as a left back and inside left central defender in a back 3 . Davies is a defender and that is mainly his limitations. He is not a player that is happy being proactive in the final 3rd. No coincidence that Jose is following poch And seeing Davies versatility as a lot more valuable than what Danny rose can give, also a unselfish and good attitude helps
considering how good we were the 2nd half of the season in 16/17 and considering Rose was injured the 2nd half of the season, yet "the partnership of Rose and Walker" get all the credit hmmmmm
 

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I'd give Mourinho some points if he can somehow manage to keep Kane away from the Euros as he suggested today with some subtlety (then again, I'm not English). If he doesn't return for us in April, I don't think we should be rushing him back to play in a summer tournament half-fit again.
 

SpartanSpur

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I agree with everything you say but already we’ve seen the media trying to undermine him in the last week. It only takes a few more bad results to sway the weak minded who have no patience to start tweeting, calling in radio shows, talking to SSN and eventually moaning at games to bring about negativity around the club. It just feels that’s what a section of the media are trying to do. It’s very frustrating and knowing our luck it does concern me.
Yeah it is a concern. They can't wait to jump on anything it seems.
 
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