Jose Mourinho

[whitelightwhiteheat]

He isnt perfect but Dier us a little slow,Winks lightweight etc so Sussoko is at least tough and can lay the ball off

Ideally we just need to go out and get Ndidi. Why he would ever sign for us in the absolute shit state we're in I don't know though.

 

[McFlash]

What one aspect of our team has improved since he took over?

We've won more than we've lost?
Which hasn't been the case for the past year.

 

[muppetman]

Not in one window no, which brings us back to the fans backing the manager, particularly with some patience.

As I said in the previous post, it took Klopp 4 to 5 seasons and the scouse kept faith with him, so why can't we?

We will keep faith and he will get a certain amount of time, but we are allowed to be a bit concerned about how it's started - I think even with modest expectations it's not been great.

I think Poch had his "philosophy" and a style of football but Jose hasn't laid his stall out in the same way so people are just waiting to see what happens and I think poor football with poor results from the second best paid manager in the world (I think) is going to draw some criticism.

I think he will get at least until the first few months of next season but in all honestly I'm not convinced it will last that long once Levy does his usual shopping in Jan and the Summer. Hopefully I'm wrong.

 

[C0YS]

He isnt perfect but Dier is a little slow,Winks lightweight etc so Sissoko is at least tough and can lay the ball off. Give him the job and he will focus.

Sissoko has literally never played DM in his entire career and doesn't have the discipline to play the role, and would limit him significantly, considering he won't be able to roam around the pitch chasing balls but rather will be limited to filling gapes and spaces across the back line and mark the space between the midfield and defence. He could play as a ball winning midfielder next to someone more positionaly disciplined, particularly with someone who maybe needs a bit of support defensively. Which is exactly what the Winks-Sissoko midfield is. Which, though isn't our worst option, is just filled with holes.

 

[NEVILLEB]

We've had itk that he had funds, had players offered and turned his nose up at them, so your claim that he was "pleading for investment" doesn't really hold any water. We've also had itk that certain players who were an unmitigated disaster (Janssen being a prime example) were Poch picks, so he had his opportunities.

It's disingenuous to suggest that the fans looked the other way, on this forum alone there was a great deal of angst at the prospect of losing him, but it was almost universally agreed that the change was necessary, revising this because JM hasn't worked wonders is a tad ridiculous really.

The point we do agree on is about JM getting the right backing from DL, this is imperative really as it is patently obvious that this squad, in it's current form, has run its course, but we as fans need to recognise this and give the same backing to OUR manager that we expect our board to give him.

ITK isn’t facts

 

[chinaman]

Dembele was the very epitome of a player you need in a CM2. Strong as an ox, accurate in his passing, could take the ball under pressure and find accurate passes. At a push he was OK as the defensive one as well. Wanyama was also a great CM2 player. Since those 2 have gone, we really don't have anybody who fits the template, but in spite of this Jose keeps wheeling out the same formation that repeatedly gets blown away by just about anybody that isn't Burnley. Why the fuck he continually tolerates passengers up front and our midfield being ripped to bits is totally beyond me, but then I'm not a 'tactical genius'.

When talking about Dembele, we have to recognise the genius that is Poch. Dembele was a failure as a striker and also as an attacking midfielder. When Poch came, he devised a role for him that made him the best in his role in the EPL if not the world. So Dembele was a freak occurance that chanced on meeting Poch. It is almost impossible to replicate that success story.

 

[Ionman34]

ITK isn’t facts

It's the only information we currently have to go on, so forms the only reasonable basis for an informed opinion. Everything else is guesswork based on personal preference, bias and emotion.

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

When talking about Dembele, we have to recognise the genius that is Poch. Dembele was a failure as a striker and also as an attacking midfielder. When Poch came, he devised a role for him that made him the best in his role in the EPL if not the world. So Dembele was a freak occurance that chanced on meeting Poch. It is almost impossible to replecate that success story.

To be fair Fulham were playing him in the CM role prior to us signing him.

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

Sissoko has literally never played DM in his entire career and doesn't have the discipline to play the role, and would limit him significantly, considering he won't be able to roam around the pitch chasing balls but rather will be limited to filling gapes and spaces across the back line and mark the space between the midfield and defence. He could play as a ball winning midfielder next to someone more positionaly disciplined, particularly with someone who maybe needs a bit of support defensively. Which is exactly what the Winks-Sissoko midfield is. Which, though isn't our worst option, is just filled with holes.

Sissoko's current role is basically babysitting Aurier which is also leaving a massive gape in our CM which is allowing us to be overrun.

It's an absolute shitshow right now.

 

[chinaman]

To be fair Fulham were playing him in the CM role prior to us signing him.

But not in the holding role.

 

[Ronwol196061]

Sissoko has literally never played DM in his entire career and doesn't have the discipline to play the role, and would limit him significantly, considering he won't be able to roam around the pitch chasing balls but rather will be limited to filling gapes and spaces across the back line and mark the space between the midfield and defence. He could play as a ball winning midfielder next to someone more positionaly disciplined, particularly with someone who maybe needs a bit of support defensively. Which is exactly what the Winks-Sissoko midfield is. Which, though isn't our worst option, is just filled with holes.

I'd rather have Sissoko behind NDombele than Ndombele behind Sissoko,or Winks behind NDombele...Dier behind Ndombele is good too if Dier can cover

Sissoko running about is good but Ndombele would be too far away from the AMs

They are not great solutions and still hypothetical as ND may be out a while

We lack creativity. We have a lot of good forwards and no creativity

 

[Ronwol196061]

When talking about Dembele, we have to recognise the genius that is Poch. Dembele was a failure as a striker and also as an attacking midfielder. When Poch came, he devised a role for him that made him the best in his role in the EPL if not the world. So Dembele was a freak occurance that chanced on meeting Poch. It is almost impossible to replicate that success story.

Genius?

 

[Japhet]

He isnt perfect but Dier is a little slow,Winks lightweight etc so Sissoko is at least tough and can lay the ball off. Give him the job and he will focus.

I'd say we need a player in the DM role who is a technically good footballer, with a defensive mindset, coupled with an eye for a pass and the ability to execute it. He also needs to have a bit of pace and an ability to help out defensively at set pieces. For my money, the player who ticks those boxes better than anybody else in the squad is Juan Foyth. I simply cannot see how he could be worse than any of the other players we've tried to date. If he was between Ndombele and GLC in a CM3 I think we'd look a whole lot more resilient and a whole lot more progressive in one fell swoop. I fully expect Jose to persist with the setup that has been so appallingly bad though.

 

[Ronwol196061]

I'd say we need a player in the DM role who is a technically good footballer, with a defensive mindset, coupled with an eye for a pass and the ability to execute it. He also needs to have a bit of pace and an ability to help out defensively at set pieces. For my money, the player who ticks those boxes better than anybody else in the squad is Juan Foyth. I simply cannot see how he could be worse than any of the other players we've tried to date. If he was between Ndombele and GLC in a CM3 I think we'd look a whole lot more resilient and a whole lot more progressive in one fell swoop. I fully expect Jose to persist with the setup that has been so appallingly bad though.

Its progressive but I think ND would be wasted as a defacto DM

 

[Japhet]

Its progressive but I think ND would be wasted as a defacto DM

Not sure what you mean. I'd have Lo Celso, Foyth and Ndombele in a CM3. Foyth gets the holding role while TN and GLC could work from deep or take it in turns to push forward and support the front 3.

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

But not in the holding role.

I'm pretty sure that's where they were playing him. I could be wrong though.

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

When talking about Dembele, we have to recognise the genius that is Poch. Dembele was a failure as a striker and also as an attacking midfielder. When Poch came, he devised a role for him that made him the best in his role in the EPL if not the world. So Dembele was a freak occurance that chanced on meeting Poch. It is almost impossible to replicate that success story.

Dembele was purchased as a midfielder, I'm fact it was Martin jol at Fulham that transferred him in to a cm. You should praise his genius fir this and not poch.

 

[Ronwol196061]

Not sure what you mean. I'd have Lo Celso, Foyth and Ndombele in a CM3. Foyth gets the holding role while TN and GLC could work from deep or take it in turns to push forward and support the front 3.

I agree with that.

 

[Time for Heroes]

When talking about Dembele, we have to recognise the genius that is Poch. Dembele was a failure as a striker and also as an attacking midfielder. When Poch came, he devised a role for him that made him the best in his role in the EPL if not the world. So Dembele was a freak occurance that chanced on meeting Poch. It is almost impossible to replicate that success story.

You are living on another planet mate, anything to fit your narrative.

Fulham played Dembele in the exact same position we deployed him in, thats why we bought him!!!!!!!!

Anything suggested otherwise is just nonsense.

 

[gaffers]

The Pochettino revisionism has kicked in.