Manager watch: Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 564 64.2%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 290 33.0%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 25 2.8%

  • Total voters
    879

RichieS

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I agree we shouldn't be conceding 20 shots to Bournemouth, but that;s a bit misleading in all honesty. Most of those shots seemed like they were from 25+ yards, and in situations where they had no other options so they hit one and hoped. Your midfield point is spot on though.
Personally, I never felt as though Bournemouth were going to score until they actually did, but any opposition is going to have a chance or two in the PL - they're all good teams.
 

Ionman34

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Certainly this to an extent.

I think one of the things that Poch got himself all in a pickle over, was trying to find the right balance between attack and defence, in order to solve that elusive "winning a trophy" problem. Jose is already finding that he can let our attacking players off the leash, and they will score bags of goals. But there's this balance in midfield that he needs to figure out to stop the tide of conceded goals. I don't think its as simple as just our defenders needing to be better, but that the midfield isn't stemming the tide further up.

Bournemouth had 20 chances against us. That's not a simple case of our defenders not defending well, but more our midfield not protecting them well enough.
Agreed.

What backs this up somewhat is the fact they had so many of their shots from around the 20/25 yard mark, suggesting that they had time and space to line up their shots.

It’s all well and good saying that them shooting from distance we’ll take all day long, but the law of averages suggests that they’ll get one, given enough opportunities, James Maddison springs to mind immediately.

For me our most immediate issue has always been the lack of cover in the centre. A DM has always been a feature of Mourinho’s teams, so I’m fairly certain he’ll be looking at that as his number 1 priority. He’s liked Dier since he was at Utd, tried to buy him if ITK is to be believed, so I expect he’ll be working with him on his fitness and positioning as the season goes on, and he’ll make his assessment on whether Dier will be able to cut it. I do expect that he’ll be looking to reinforce that position though, particularly if Wanyama is as crocked as it seems.
 

sausage

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Reading some United fans' comments online, and they're a bit more wistful now that it looks like Mourinho was telling the truth and less to blame about his ending there than they thought.

Last week Woodward admitted to blocking "one or two" of his transfers, and now he's admitted to giving new contracts to players who weren't good enough:
"It's a multi-year squad evolution analysis"

"It's hard enough to get three players done in a transfer window. To get six or seven done is extremely difficult if you are getting proper talent.

"If you choose to churn every player because they are not good enough and you're not extending contracts, you are putting yourself at risk of execution. Sometimes you have to take a broader view."
Whilst it's not necessarily a bad strategy, it clarifies a lot of what Mourinho was moaning about and blows the "Poch would be backed more at United" thing apart somewhat.
 
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Personally, I never felt as though Bournemouth were going to score until they actually did, but any opposition is going to have a chance or two in the PL - they're all good teams.
Also true. As well as that tactical balance, we are definitely having problems with dropping energy levels and concentration when closing out games.

Maybe the old Spurs complacency in microcosm. We've lost that toughness that Dembele inspired in us. José needs to work out how to get it back.
 

Ronwol196061

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Also true. As well as that tactical balance, we are definitely having problems with dropping energy levels and concentration when closing out games.

Maybe the old Spurs complacency in microcosm. We've lost that toughness that Dembele inspired in us. José needs to work out how to get it back.
We had average price players and Poch with a good idea.He trained them,he instilled the system,he got them tackling hard (hence the amount of injuries) but we were respected. That created space and the counter. Dembele brought stability (but nothing creative) and control to midfield.
Thsts where it ended.
We had Eriksen and Dele later playing defence.
Harry suffered and suffocated from less service.
It all culminated in a shit season quality wise but close but no cigar season standings wise.

Poch must have understood his system was limited because it was heavy in defence and Liverpool was opening the world up.
So we bought attacking players. Our defence was decaying. Poch really had no new ideas.

Mourinho now has to get the mentality back,the enjoyment and most of all balance that I dont think we had.
It's a job but we have really talented players and maybe 2 defenders away from being ok balance wise.
Ndombele is such a great creative player much much more talented and confident than Dembele (and I liked Dembele) I think Ndombele is more talented creatively than Eriksen. Ndombele is instinctively brilliant.Eriksen is fine technically.
Ndombele sees the pass all the time. Eriksen waits for the right moment.
Dele us another great creative player.Poch misplayed him. Made him a cog in the wheel smothering his creativity.
Now we want to see Mourinho take us to the next level if he can
 

DJS

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Another factor that maybe will keep Mourinho as the happy chappy he seems to be nowadays is that his wife and kids never left London, so he can live with them now at the family home rather than renting somewhere or staying in a hotel like he must have been in Manchester.

And his missus wanted him to get a job in London so he’ll be in trouble with her if he fucks up and loses this job! :LOL: :LOL:
 

ohtottenham!

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I had a pm from one poster having a go at me for correcting his grammar the other day, and he disabled the reply option so I couldn’t come back to him.

To my mind correcting grammar is a staple and time honoured SC tradition and should be taken in the spirit with which it is usually intended.
Unless there’s a post that’s almost impossible to understand, I don’t get the need to criticize grammar, spelling, punctuation, or whatever as long as the idea is communicated.

There are different levels of writing ability as well as a variety of communication styles among the myriad of posters on this and any other Internet forum.

You actually criticized my grammar and punctuation and went as far as saying I had an “inability to speak proper English” in that Everton match thread a few weeks back. Now, that’s not a very nice thing to say, and who knows what “proper English” is?

Was I offended? Not much. Irritated? Yes, but I got that you weren’t thinking straight at the time, and your anger was compromising not only your judgment, but your comprehension as well.

That much was evident with the “Aurier is a monster!” line among others. I was more offended by the content of your post rather than the grammar attack BS, which didn't pass muster anyway.

Couple of tips on your own, personal pilgrimage to “speaking proper English” just from recent posts; compound adjectives should be hyphenated before a noun, and the word “intact” should stay, well…pretty much that.

A more important point is, people who feel less confident about their use of language in the written form…grammar, spelling etc., just want to express themselves like the rest of us. Some of the best content posters on this site fall into that category.

If a poster felt the need to send you a PM re your criticism of his/her grammar, they don't feel good about your criticism, and they're letting you know it. I don't see why you have to let everyone know about it.
 
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BringBack_leGin

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Unless there’s a post that’s almost impossible to understand, I don’t get the need to criticize grammar, spelling, punctuation, or whatever as long as the idea is communicated.

There are different levels of writing ability as well as a variety of communication styles among the myriad of posters on this and any other Internet forum.

You actually criticized my grammar and punctuation and went as far as saying I had an “inability to speak proper English” in that Everton match thread a few weeks back. Now, that’s not a very nice thing to say, and who knows what “proper English” is?

Was I offended? Not much. Irritated? Yes, but I got that you weren’t thinking straight at the time, and your anger was compromising not only your judgment, but your comprehension as well.

That much was evident with the “Aurier is a monster!” line among others. I was more offended by the content of your post rather than the grammar attack BS, which didn't pass muster anyway.

Couple of tips on your own, personal pilgrimage to “speaking proper English” just from recent posts; compound adjectives should be hyphenated before a noun, and the word “intact” should stay, well…pretty much that.

A more important point is, people who feel less confident about their use of language in the written form…grammar, spelling etc., just want to express themselves like the rest of us. Some of the best content posters on this site fall into that category.
I don’t speak proper English, it’s actually quite poor, the whole grammar militancy bit is an injection of flippancy into an otherwise heated situation with the intention of taking the sting out. I can see that this is not always apparent, so I’m going to stop doing it. Actually, I’m going to go one further, I’m not posting any more. I’ve just spent that last day being rounded on by a group of you over the most trivial thing, I’m clearly a poster who seems to cause irritation, I don’t want that, so I’m fucking off. Taraaa
 

Jamturk

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For me we are most vulnerable when we turnover the ball in attack, our transition from attack to defence constantly fails.
The question is why?
Do we over commit?
Is our attacking formation too fluid to recover our defensive stability?
Oh and we are shit at set pieces.
 
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tommyt

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I don’t speak proper English, it’s actually quite poor, the whole grammar militancy bit is an injection of flippancy into an otherwise heated situation with the intention of taking the sting out. I can see that this is not always apparent, so I’m going to stop doing it. Actually, I’m going to go one further, I’m not posting any more. I’ve just spent that last day being rounded on by a group of you over the most trivial thing, I’m clearly a poster who seems to cause irritation, I don’t want that, so I’m fucking off. Taraaa
You'll be back.
 

ohtottenham!

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For me we are most vulnerable when we turnover the ball in attack are transition from attack to defence constantly fails.
The question is why?
Do we over commit?
Is our attacking formation too fluid to recover our defensive stability?
Oh and we are shit at set pieces.
Balance in midfield, with a very good DM, would sort most of the other stuff out.
 

spursfan77

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Reading some United fans' comments online, and they're a bit more wistful now that it looks like Mourinho was telling the truth and less to blame about his ending there than they thought.

Last week Woodward admitted to blocking "one or two" of his transfers, and now he's admitted to giving new contracts to players who weren't good enough:


Whilst it's not necessarily a bad strategy, it clarifies a lot of what Mourinho was moaning about and blows the "Poch would be backed more at United" thing apart somewhat.
Yep. This is partly why I defended Mourinho’s time there. Sure he didn’t help himself being miserable in front of the cameras but there was a reason for that. He was being undermined. It’s a lesson for Levy. I suspect he will be more open with Mourinho though and Mourinho wouldn’t of taken a job with us without both men knowing what they were getting in to.
 
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