Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[Styopa]

It’s a bit mad that we think we know what will lead to success when the only two managers who’ve won something for us in the last thirty years were Graham and Ramos. (Though I guess the argument is those shouldn’t be outliers.)

To be fair to them, Graham and Ramos won plenty of trophies at other clubs as well.

Whilst Graham was always up against it due to his history and style of football, Ramos was seen as an exciting appointment even though the way Jol was sacked was shoddy.

 

[Kirito]

You feeling is based on absolutely nothing mate

Well its based on 34 years of supporting the club and seeing the cycle happen over and over. But as I said in the original post - I hope I’m wrong.

 

[HildoSpur]

Well its based on 34 years of supporting the club and seeing the cycle happen over and over. But as I said in the original post - I hope I’m wrong.

I've been a Spurs fan for over 40 years and there is no way Ange loses his job if we lose today. It's utterly mad to suggest otherwise.

 

[allatsea]

To be fair to them, Graham and Ramos won plenty of trophies at other clubs as well.

Whilst Graham was always up against it due to his history and style of football, Ramos was seen as an exciting appointment even though the way Jol was sacked was shoddy.

Always thought Ramos was working for the Sack, and a large payoff, from the moment he arrived. He was making the most ridiculous substitutions and some how got lucky for a few matches.

 

[Styopa]

Always thought Ramos was working for the Sack, and a large payoff, from the moment he arrived. He was making the most ridiculous substitutions and some how got lucky for a few matches.

I can’t remember it that well but I do remember him taking a lot of convincing to join, didn’t he turn us down during the summer but then did a u-turn and joined us during the season? A bit like Conte in that way, maybe he was never fully convinced.

 

[Kirito]

I've been a Spurs fan for over 40 years and there is no way Ange loses his job if we lose today. It's utterly mad to suggest otherwise.

You know who our chairman is, right?

 

[E17yid]

Seems silly arguing when Levy would pull the trigger. Would he sack him if we lost today? Probably not but you wouldn’t completely rule it out I suppose.

The next 4 league games are Brentford, UTD, Brighton and West Ham. If he loses all of them or only picks up 1 or 2 points I don’t think anyone would disagree that Levy will be past the Rolodex stage by then.

No way we don’t get at least 6-7 points from those 4 games, though. Reckon we could get more actually.

 

[Kirito]

Seems silly arguing when Levy would pull the trigger. Would he sack him if we lost today? Probably not but you wouldn’t completely rule it out I suppose.

The next 4 league games are Brentford, UTD, Brighton and West Ham. If he loses all of them or only picks up 1 or 2 points I don’t think anyone would disagree that Levy will be past the Rolodex stage by then.

No way we don’t get at least 6-7 points from those 4 games, though. Reckon we could get more actually.

It is silly, sorry I brought it up. Lets get a good win today and the negativity should subside

 

[King of the Lane]

I dont know whats going on atm but every thread is so knee jerk. We always talk about giving the next Manager time and here we are 4 games into the prem season and people are already talking about sacking him. Solanke has played 3 games for us and is getting pelters, people want to see the kids given a go but when Ange does that and they dont perform then he gets slated. Can everyone just chill out for a bit - if we are in a bad position by xmas then fair enough but at least give the Manager and team some time to get going.

 

[Hazelton]

When he was appointed, I said that this never ending change of managers and systems needs to stop and that in an ideal world we need to give him at least two full seasons. Half way through last season, I still believed that he needed to be given two full seasons. Five games into this season, I still believe he should be judged at the end of it.

Unless we're dragged in to a relegation fight, which simply isn't going to happen, then I'm still behind him and want to see him left alone this season. If we haven't improved upon last year then a decision needs to be made, but realistically all he needs to do is finish in the top four or win a cup and I still believe that's very possible. It's very early and there is still time for it to click and for us to pick up form.

 

[WaldotheCat]

Ramos didn't win us a trophy. The team won a trophy. That team was BMJ's team, even if Ramos was in the manager's seat. As for Graham, I could barely bring myself to follow my beloved Spurs while he was in charge. Apart from the cup win, it wasn't a particularly glorious tenure, was it?
Honestly, it sometimes feels as if 20% of posts on here are from Arsenal trolls trying to whip up turmoil in the fanbase, and another 20% are from Football Manager warriors who think they know how to 'manage' a team. Ange was brought in to do a rebuild. Of course it will take time. Of course results wil be patchy while it takes place. Unless we are in a desperate relegation battle, or he has obviously lost the dressing room, we should back him and support him and the team. I've been following Spurs for 60 years. Sometimes we have been hitting the heights, sometimes plumeting to the depths, other times just chugging along going nowhere. Thats how football is. The once mighty Liverpool of the 1970s and 80s were stuck in mid table for a long time, the once mighty ManU are a shodow of their former selves,, look at Villa, a once domminant club confined to the depths for years, now resurging.
Stick with Ange, he is a breath of fresh air, we are playing some exciting foorball that will hopefully get better and better, we have a lot of great prospects. Give it time.

 

[Ledley's Right Foot]

Play as poorly as we did against Coventry and lose and I think it’s over for Ange. I hope that’s not the case but until the 88th minute the other day things felt like that have done on numerous other occasions in the past.

Maybe those last few minutes will be the catalyst to push on

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I don't think so (felt like they have done previously). We've looked good in the opening league games, and got a bit unlucky. Losing to Newcastle away is not so shocking and a close loss to Arsenal, one of the two best teams in the league, is equally unsurprising.

The game against Coventry had what 9 changes, against a good team. As the season progresses we will see more game to game rotation and less drastic changes per match, as the squad come up to match fitness and awareness. I think we've all forgotten that even in the peak Redknapp and Poch years, when we rotated for the cups, especially Europa, we would always look ropey and complain about not going for the cups.

For me, the signals are looking good for this season, playing well without hitting our peak, creating chances and slowly getting into form. I expect a clear win today, a few more hiccups along the way but overall steady progress and 5-6 more points than last season. That would be an excellent season for me, cup win or not.

I think our fanbase, and not you in particular, is suffering a mass form of ptsd and struggles to see the positives. We've turned into the team everyone here seems to hate to love. Ironic as we we are also the team everyone else loves to hate.

These last few days, this forum, I worry for some of you but, I feel good things are coming soon.

 

[Metalhead]

You know who our chairman is, right?

I get it but he wouldn't.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

The game against Coventry had what 9 changes, against a good team.

Looks at sentence.

Looks at Championship table.

Looks at sentence again.

 

[Metalhead]

Looks at sentence.

Looks at Championship table.

Looks at sentence again.

Feels like we've always struggled with a changed team - we should be able to manage it but there have been so many occasions over the years where the lineup has been changed for a cup match and we've struggled.

 

[Ledley's Right Foot]

Looks at sentence.

Looks at Championship table.

Looks at sentence again.

Mate, I know you're making a funny here but seriously, they're a good team. Beat wolves last season, nearly done United. They're well organised, Mark Robbins is a good manager, that was no gimme. Waaaay better than Everton, who we thrashed, the only reason they're not in the Premiership already is they don't have the squad to survive a long championship season as they're still skint.

I would also take their left winger, if we weren't so stacked on the left, he looks like he's gonna have a great career, what was he, 19?

 

[McFlash]

Play as poorly as we did against Coventry and lose and I think it’s over for Ange.

What do you mean by that?
You think Levy will sack him? The fans will start protesting? He'll give up?

 

[CookieYiddo]

No way Ange is gone yet regardless of today or even if we lose again next week etc. However there is a very real chance that if we don’t get out of this funk then Ange doesn’t see out the full season.

 

[EastUpperDK82]

I don't know if this has been posted already ? ... but here we go:

• Tottenham have forced the most high turnovers in the Premier League this season (47) and have the best pressing metric in the league - as their opponents manage just 6.2 passes on average before Spurs win the ball back.
• They have also enjoyed the most possession (67.8%) and allowed their opponents to complete just 795 passes so far, 301 fewer than any other side.

 

[cliff jones]

well said mate. in any other industry or sporting institution, DL would've been fired a long time ago (for a lack of performance). He's cleverly separated himself from the on-field matters (and clearly he has fans who believe the same) almost as if he has nothing to do with it. The proof is the fact we've had some of the world's top managers (conte, mou) & a few world class talents (Bale, Madrid, Berba, Kane, Son) who never achieved anything in his time.

Quite simply, DL has mastered the art of doing just the right amount to keep himself & the board that supports him happy and doing just the right amount of buying / spend (look how many ppl are saying Ange has spend xx million already) but never buying the top talent or the players the team needs when they need it.

I said in another post, it's incredible how during Mou's time we didn't buy the defenders he wanted - but we have them now (Romero, VDV & Dragusin) and during Conte's time, we didn't get any of the players he wanted & now during Ange's time we already have opted for lesser players (before anyone argues on this point, I seriously doubt Ange is gonna say he didn't get the players he wanted - he is going to lose change room and board room & get fired then).

Agree, THFC, the sporting institution deserves better. It deserves a chairman that prioritises winning and driving a winning culture though everything at the club. DL has determined that a winning culture is the stadium, hotels & additional revenue streams. That's winning in the boardroom! In 25 years, he has not once prioritised a winning football culture & it's truly hurting the fans, the club's stature (as a brand) and no doubt the players as coaches.

Beat post ive read on here in ages. That 4th is everything culture (only because of the revenue it drives) makes me sick and sad in equal measure.