Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[E17yid]

Wow. The lack of patience from supporters is shocking.

BBC article today putting Ange under pressure. Just like the idiot gooners most of us would have wanted Arteta out after finishing 8th. Now look at them when they actually stuck with and backed a manager.

Ange is the right man. He's the right fit. His football is the right sort. He needs time.

Unfortunately most football fans want instant success and will want him out after a few losses. Losses where we've outplayed the opposition mind, lost by fine margins and were a bit of attacking quality short of being the real deal. The game where we played badly (Coventry) we won and that's football.

Unless we have a terrible season, which I don't think we will. He needs to stay. He still needs a few more transfer windows and more time but given time it will come good in my opinion. I have faith in the man.

If Ange won us the FA cup last year no one would be on his back.

 

[Kirito]

Play as poorly as we did against Coventry and lose and I think it’s over for Ange. I hope that’s not the case but until the 88th minute the other day things felt like that have done on numerous other occasions in the past.

Maybe those last few minutes will be the catalyst to push on

Edit: Bolded the important part for selective readers

 

[HildoSpur]

Play as poorly as we did against Coventry and lose and I think it’s over for Ange. I hope that’s not the case but until the 88th minute the other day things felt like that have done on numerous other occasions in the past.

Maybe those last few minutes will be the catalyst to push on

Absolute and complete nonsense.

 

[ajspurs]

You might be right but I’m going to disagree at the moment. I think they can but like any player they need to be managed correctly.

If what you say is true, then it’s even more of a damning indictment on Ange as he puts so much emphasis on character when recruiting players. We’ve all heard the stories about the phone calls and what not so if players like Maddison, Solanke, Johnson etc haven’t got it in them to step up when needed then, as I say, it’s a damning indictment on Ange. As I say, though, I think they do, well, I hope so anyway.

Yeah I'm not sure it's so much a character thing or a matter of ability, maybe a bit of both in some cases. I just look at games like the Newcastle away one, Arsenal at home, when we go to Old Trafford soon, and who to you stands out as someone who may take it upon themselves to make the difference? I wouldn't even say Son right now, and I'd maybe even argue only Kulusevski is looking like someone who may do so.

I don't really mean to question a lack of ability to step up in all regards, as I think the players have stepped up to some degree and in various other ways in most of our matches so far despite the results, it's more so the elements to get us over the line or to provide a moment of quality when we really need something.

 

[Gb160]

Wow. The lack of patience from supporters is shocking.

That's what winning fuck all for 20 odd years will do to a fanbase.

 

[E17yid]

Play as poorly as we did against Coventry and lose and I think it’s over for Ange. I hope that’s not the case but until the 88th minute the other day things felt like that have done on numerous other occasions in the past.

Maybe those last few minutes will be the catalyst to push on

I think it will take a couple more losses after for levy to get to that point to be honest, and rightfully so as we won’t be to far off the Ramos 2 points from 8 games scenario.

 

[Kirito]

Absolute and complete nonsense.

I like how you just take this part of the post as if I’m asking for him to go. Clearly that’s not the case, it’s just a feeling, similar to when other managers have gone in the past. Don’t be a nob.

 

[philll]

I don't think Ange is under any real pressure but, if we don't win against Brentford, the Fan Forum on Monday will have a slightly different vibe to last year's.

 

[Tucker]

If Ange won us the FA cup last year no one would be on his back.

“If Ramos had won us a cup last year, no one would be on his back.”

Oh no, wait…

 

[E17yid]

“If Ramos had won us a cup last year, no one would be on his back.”

Oh no, wait…

The obvious caveat there, which admittedly I should have said but didn’t think I needed to, is as long as it doesn’t look like we’re going to get relegated (or show relegation form)

After only 4 games, with a big home game this afternoon, we’re a good few games away from that point yet.

 

[ajspurs]

I too don't think he's under any pressure. I know points on the board are what matters, but I still think the performances in the first three games are enough to prove that there's still a lot for this side to give. I think you'd possibly be asking questions if the performances were those of ones that suggest the players aren't reacting positively to him and his instructions, but that's been far from the case.

 

[Styopa]

Wow. The lack of patience from supporters is shocking.

Honestly I don’t think it’s Ange that most fans are losing patience with. Some are, for sure, but not the majority.

Most fans are losing patience with not winning a major domestic or European trophy for over thirty years.

Most fans are losing patience with not winning any trophies for over fifteen years.

Most fans are losing patience with the five years of stagnation since we sacked Poch.

Most fans are losing patience with paying some of the highest ticket prices in the world to watch some truly dire football over the last five years.

We shouldn’t blame Ange for that, because this all started a long time before Ange arrived. But you shouldn’t be amazed that fans are getting impatient. It’s not like we all started supporting Spurs last season.

 

[kitchen]

That's what winning fuck all for 20 odd years will do to a fanbase.

Yes, but that's what has also put us in this vicious circle.

The teams that have success in the modern football era either have spending power way above ours, or stick with a project and achieve success over time...

 

[Styopa]

“If Ramos had won us a cup last year, no one would be on his back.”

Oh no, wait…

True, although Ramos was thrown under the proverbial bus when we sold our two best players and didn’t adequately replace them. He was the fall guy for that.

 

[Tucker]

The obvious caveat there, which admittedly I should have said but didn’t think it needed to, is as long as it doesn’t look like we’re going to get relegated (or show relegation form)

After only 4 games, with a big home game this afternoon, we’re a good few games away from that point yet.

I don’t think that’s true. There’s bigger expectations now than in 2008. As we can see, it’s not taking relegation form for people to turn on him now. I don’t believe winning a cup gives any manager at a top club breathing room these days, and I don’t think it’s true that Arteta got an easier ride from the Arsenal fans because he won a cup. They were frothing at the mouth for him to go when they were 16th at Christmas the following year.

Why? Because in the grand scheme of things Cups are generally won on luck as well as being a good side. They’re one off games where anything can happen. So they don’t really show the true progress of where a club is at. Arteta was lucky to win the cup in his first season, so was Ramos. Those cup wins didn’t decide their fate. Arteta was given time and patience by the club to rebuild his squad exactly how he needed it to be. Ramos had his best players sold and was dumped after 8 games.

Look at Moyes, wins West Ham their first trophy in decades, and the fans wanted him out almost immediately the following season. Gets dumped by the end of his contract. Thats West Ham ffs, a club who’s ambitions are far below our own.

Cups don’t get you anything in this game apart from the shiny cup.

 

[E17yid]

Honestly I don’t think it’s Ange that most fans are losing patience with. Some are, for sure, but not the majority.

Most fans are losing patience with not winning a major domestic or European trophy for over thirty years.

Most fans are losing patience with not winning any trophies for over fifteen years.

Most fans are losing patience with the five years of stagnation since we sacked Poch.

Most fans are losing patience with paying some of the highest ticket prices in the world to watch some truly dire football over the last five years.

We shouldn’t blame Ange for that, because this all started a long time before Ange arrived. But you shouldn’t be amazed that fans are getting impatient. It’s not like we all started supporting Spurs last season.

Yeah for sure, I bet if you did a poll asking something like “who are you losing patience with the most: Ange, The players or Levy” I think you’d see a clear majority saying Levy. Could be wrong though, obviously.

 

[ajspurs]

when we sold our two best players and didn’t adequately replace them.

Sounds so familiar doesn't it

 

[Kirito]

I too don't think he's under any pressure. I know points on the board are what matters, but I still think the performances in the first three games are enough to prove that there's still a lot for this side to give. I think you'd possibly be asking questions if the performances were those of ones that suggest the players aren't reacting positively to him and his instructions, but that's been far from the case.

I think the start to the Leicester game was positive however by the end of the game with the Vardy chance we could have easily lost. Ben saved us from a loss against Coventry. We never looked like scoring against Arsenal.

The Newcastle game we played better but looked so vulnerable every-time they got in our half. So the only match we can use as a real positive was Everton, it was a great win, but they’re bottom with 0 points so not sure what we can take from that.

I really want to see us dominate Brentford today as it’s against a top manager in Frank, who will definitely know how to set up against us. If we can win then things ain’t so bad.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

He’s not currently in imminent danger but that can change quickly with even two consecutive defeats. Don’t think that will happen though - predicting a draw at worst today.

 

[west indie]

I'm not sure they have it in them. I thought it was an issue prior to the Arsenal game that I looked around and was unsure of where the big performances were going to come from. We'd relied on a younger Son and Kane for so long in that respect. Not saying we're incapable of winning or anything, far from it, but I don't see the players there who will step up when things do get a little tough, or when we need that additional quality.

I probably look at someone like Maddison the most as someone who should be stepping up for us in such moments, but I think a big issue is that I'm not sure it's something I even expect from a lot of the others. We miss that profile of player IMO.

I hear you ajspurs, these guys have been at the club long enough now, Sonny is 32 its time to stand and deliver.

Moussa, Eriksen, Dele, Jan, Harry, Toby etc all raised their game which then propelled us it's time these current guys having been at the club for some good time now start doing the same.
3 pts against Brentford would be a good start