Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[jolsnogross]

He always sounds good and is a great communicator. We didn't hire him to be the club spokesman, though.

Hopefully we see things kick on on the field. He might have all the stats and insight on 'controlling games', but take away that 10 game new manager bounce and it's been bang average or worse. I hope the attacking prowess he's overseen at previous clubs kicks in here soon enough.

 

[thebenjamin]

He always sounds good and is a great communicator. We didn't hire him to be the club spokesman, though.

Hopefully we see things kick on on the field. He might have all the stats and insight on 'controlling games', but take away that 10 game new manager bounce and it's been bang average or worse. I hope the attacking prowess he's overseen at previous clubs kicks in here soon enough.

So much of management is communication. It's really not particularly hard to devise tactics to win football matches. But getting a group of individuals to all buy into it and execute it, something else entirely.

 

[DiscoD1882]

If the Gooners can give Legohead the amount of time and backing they did. We as fans. And as a club. Should stick with a manager. Constant change equals. The cycle we continue to go through. Can’t understand why people don’t get this?? I appreciate we are desperate for success. But our desperation is part of the problem. It’s seeps through the club. And then rhe players

much as I fucking hated It. Arsenal “trusted the process”. And look where they are now. It’s not rock science.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Not one for speculating but Ange saying he was using Twitter a few years ago matches up perfectly to when that fake Hercules account was causing trouble…

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

He always sounds good and is a great communicator. We didn't hire him to be the club spokesman, though.

Hopefully we see things kick on on the field. He might have all the stats and insight on 'controlling games', but take away that 10 game new manager bounce and it's been bang average or worse. I hope the attacking prowess he's overseen at previous clubs kicks in here soon enough.

Communication is a HUGE part of the role. Jose, Nuno and Conte (the latter 2 especially) were awful at it and led to a very toxic environment.

 

[wishkah]

Think if we put Moura on the right and help the lad grow with his crossing Anges system could work.
Esp if we put a proper DM like Zokora into the starting 11 and allow malbranque to cut in

 

[jolsnogross]

Communication is a HUGE part of the role. Jose, Nuno and Conte (the latter 2 especially) were awful at it and led to a very toxic environment.

Mourinho and Conte are two of the most successful managers in modern history. Talking a good game, not talking a good game. Either way doesn't necessarily translate to the field.

 

[jolsnogross]

So much of management is communication. It's really not particularly hard to devise tactics to win football matches. But getting a group of individuals to all buy into it and execute it, something else entirely.

Poch wasn't great at press conferences and interviews. Best modern manager we've had though. Easily got individuals to become their best selves, and the team better than the sum of its parts.

Your last sentence is the all important one. An A+ for press conferencing doesn't necessarily get you there.

 

[Gb160]

Like Ndombele and GLC ?

So that’s it then huh? A couple of badly scouted players didn’t work out so we won’t be doing that ever again?
Ambition my arsehole.

 

[olliec]

I have a lot of admiration for Ange, but if the upcoming matches resemble what we witnessed against Coventry, I genuinely worry for his future. It seems he didn’t receive good enough support during the summer transfer window. While he has us playing the style we desire, I’m afraid we lack the wingers necessary to make his system effective. This situation falls back on Levy, who has let him down significantly. If Ange departs, we all know that baldy will likely bring in a defensive coach to try to salvage the season, a pattern we’ve seen repeatedly. I truly hope to be proven wrong this time.

 

[jackson]

If the Gooners can give Legohead the amount of time and backing they did. We as fans. And as a club. Should stick with a manager. Constant change equals. The cycle we continue to go through. Can’t understand why people don’t get this?? I appreciate we are desperate for success. But our desperation is part of the problem. It’s seeps through the club. And then rhe players

much as I fucking hated It. Arsenal “trusted the process”. And look where they are now. It’s not rock science.

Agree but winning the fa cup bought him the time he needed, if not I would wager he would've been gone.

 

[SpursForever71]

I think we're the England of club football. Most of the other major footballing nations, such as France, Germany, Italy and Spain have their ups and downs but still win a few trophies along the way. Whereas England likes to think of itself as mixing it with those big boys but hasn't won a tournament for nearly sixty years. Much smaller nations than England, like Netherlands, Portugal, Denmark and Greece have won tournaments in that time. So it is with Tottenham.

Since we last won the league, Ipswich, Everton, Liverpool, Man U, Man C, Leeds, Arsenal, Derby, Forest, Villa, Blackburn, Chelsea and Leicester have won it.

Since we last won an FA Cup, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man U, Everton, Chelsea, Portsmouth, Wigan, Man C and Leicester have won it.

Even since we last won a League cup, Man U, Birmingham, Liverpool, Swansea, Man C and Chelsea have won it.

Have said this a few times recently. How have i managed to get myself in to being a passionate Spurs and England supporter and lived this long .
it is right though, looking at some of the clubs that have won things since we have, when you consider the players we have had, its mind boggling how we havent been able to win anything.

 

[rossdapep]

So that’s it then huh? A couple of badly scouted players didn’t work out so we won’t be doing that ever again?
Ambition my arsehole.

I genuinely think Levy now uses those signings as a benchmark to not make big money signings.

Richarlison is probably nailing that mentality further.

God help us if Solanke flops

 

[SpursForever71]

For someone not interested in football, he sure does sit through every single game we play like an absolute champ!

yeah he does look bored shitless most of the time though lol

 

[robotsonic]

yeah he does look bored shitless most of the time though lol

...I mean...

 

[Reece_Spurs]

I've never been a Levy hater on here, because he's done alot of good things overall and despite our frustrations, financially we are in a very good place for years to come especially with the stadium.

However.. We're over that new stadium honeymoon period, we've gone through the "winner managers" and now we have a manager that is supposed to be a bit more long term to build a squad. Same issues are still coming up, not buying the top targets that manager wants.

It's not like we haven't spent money, we've spent enough that we should be competitive, but we rarely get the top targets the manager specifically asks for.

Conte wanted Bastoni, Lisandro Martinez and a good RWB. He got Lenglet on loan, Richarlison and Djed Spence who he didn't fancy and never played until we got Porro in January by whcih time it was too late.

Ange wanted Eze and Neto mainly as first team signings and a back up LB/LCB. He got Solanke and Odebert. The latter may prove to be good signings but they're punts at the end of the day, neither elevate us to where we want to be immediately so now we start the same old shitty process on hoping these guys work out..

Bergval and Gray are youth prospects and should be considered so.

Our main transfer policy as always just so underwhelming... It never screams ambition and that's where the buck needs to stop.

 

[Pellshek]

Jimmy Anderson was the last man successfully replaced as Tottenham manager. His Spurs story starts 116 years ago.

Jimmy Anderson had been a lifelong member of the ground staff at Tottenham Hotspur. He first joined the club in 1908 as a ground-staff boy, failed to make the grade as a player, then worked in various positions at the club, including as part of the training and coaching staff. At the age of 62 he took over as manager from Arthur Rowe, who had retired on 18 April 1955.

Jimmy Anderson (football manager) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

To be honest I'm not sure what precisely "lifelong member of the ground staff" means in context, given it seems he was also a triallist as a player. But this is old-school, so it may simply mean he started out at the club whitewashing the lines & sorting out the nets, and ended up manager 50 years later.

So Jimmy becomes manager in 1955, has a couple of decent seasons until...well, stop me if you think that you've heard this one before....

Under Anderson, however, the team's overall performance (played 153, won 72 drew 32 and lost 49) was not considered good enough for the ambitious directors and supporters of the club who were wanting nothing short of a First Division Championship title.

Jimmy ended up resigning due to ill-health, like Arthur Rowe before him, and was replaced by Bill Nicholson. That was 1958.

And so, Jimmy Anderson, immortal legend, we salute you. The last manager successfully replaced by the mighty Spurs.

 

[jay2040]

Here's a devils advocate position to that. Generally when we've paid big wages and had success it's been with players we've developed (Kane, Son, Bale). We have them younger and when they improve we secure them with wages that are in line with their standing. When we've brought players in on big salaries we've got stuck with them as there's a risk with integration.
If we buy the best young talent on lower wages, if they fail we can shift them but if the succeed we can pay them the market rate to secure them which is a much less risky strategy.
I'll wear my sarcastic laughing emoji from John W with pride for this post

That's conditioning right there to cope with shit we have to go through.
It should not be either or situation. Should be able to do both.
Also I guess it's what success levels u want!
We should be winning games and attracting top players with the infrastructure we have.

 

[jay2040]

I've never been a Levy hater on here, because he's done alot of good things overall and despite our frustrations, financially we are in a very good place for years to come especially with the stadium.

However.. We're over that new stadium honeymoon period, we've gone through the "winner managers" and now we have a manager that is supposed to be a bit more long term to build a squad. Same issues are still coming up, not buying the top targets that manager wants.

It's not like we haven't spent money, we've spent enough that we should be competitive, but we rarely get the top targets the manager specifically asks for.

Conte wanted Bastoni, Lisandro Martinez and a good RWB. He got Lenglet on loan, Richarlison and Djed Spence who he didn't fancy and never played until we got Porro in January by whcih time it was too late.

Ange wanted Eze and Neto mainly as first team signings and a back up LB/LCB. He got Solanke and Odebert. The latter may prove to be good signings but they're punts at the end of the day, neither elevate us to where we want to be immediately so now we start the same old shitty process on hoping these guys work out..

Bergval and Gray are youth prospects and should be considered so.

Our main transfer policy as always just so underwhelming... It never screams ambition and that's where the buck needs to stop.

So who does the buck stop with!

 

[funkycoldmedina]

That's conditioning right there to cope with shit we have to go through.
It should not be either or situation. Should be able to do both.
Also I guess it's what success levels u want!
We should be winning games and attracting top players with the infrastructure we have.

It's literally the model Arsenal have used.
And it's just a different perspective, in fact the conditioning is the framing of every decision he makes as terrible.