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If your looking for somebody to take responsibiity for our recruitment, put an L in front of ange.
I don't mind making that sacrifice.One of us needs to become a very very very wealthy person then.
See this view a lot. Somehow the bother of getting another manager means that conventional assessment of a current manager is unnecessary, we just carry on regardless of zero improvements or poor performance if they occur. No successful business operates in this way.There are so many factors to take on board - I do firmly feel that unless everything is aligned then we will always end up back here again and again. The thought of another coach change doesn't excite me on bit. Even if it was Pep, I'd still feel the same. The thought of another change is actually sickening because it really is obvious that the discontent would start again within a 12 month period, tops.
From memory we lost a player through injury and had used our subsDid we, why, no one was sent off?
This is exactly why, this time, I think it's too easy to fall straight back to screeching at Levy and act like all our problems are because Ange "isn't being backed".For me, Ange is equally to blame for the current form, it's just all too predictable & basic.
Perhaps if we'd got Neto, Eze & Gyökeres in the summer we'd be taking our chances and smashing teams 5 every week but I still think we'd be undone against a better or more tactically astute manager every time it mattered.
It's just easy.
Sit back, let us have the ball, pack your box with bodies, win the ball back & hit your runners on the break.
We can't handle crosses and don't even get me started on corners - hit the right spot and it's virtually a guaranteed goal.
We have glaring issues, from a stunted attack, forced to the byline for a cut back every time, to Vic looking weak af on every corner & cross.
That’s coaching issues, who’s the coach?
I think Ange has taken plenty of of L's...If your looking for somebody to take responsibiity for our recruitment, put an L in front of ange.
Does anyone on here ever wonder that if he hadn’t sacked Mourinho just before the LC final we might have got over the never win scenario? Or we would have just lost anyway![]()
I know that we're not the only ones but for some reason, we are seen as a bit of a 'joke club' in this respect. I do feel like we are in somewhat of a unique position. Too big of a club to not have expectations but in a sense, the great pretenders because we see ourselves as elite but we can't back it up with trophies and whatever anyone says about the importance of trophies - this is a competitive sport and trophies are a yardstick for success.
What about the Audi Cup?I think we're the England of club football. Most of the other major footballing nations, such as France, Germany, Italy and Spain have their ups and downs but still win a few trophies along the way. Whereas England likes to think of itself as mixing it with those big boys but hasn't won a tournament for nearly sixty years. Much smaller nations than England, like Netherlands, Portugal, Denmark and Greece have won tournaments in that time. So it is with Tottenham.
Since we last won the league, Ipswich, Everton, Liverpool, Man U, Man C, Leeds, Arsenal, Derby, Forest, Villa, Blackburn, Chelsea and Leicester have won it.
Since we last won an FA Cup, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man U, Everton, Chelsea, Portsmouth, Wigan, Man C and Leicester have won it.
Even since we last won a League cup, Man U, Birmingham, Liverpool, Swansea, Man C and Chelsea have won it.
For sure it's reasonable to judge what he's doing from game to game. I hope that we do stick this out - again, I really don't think that constantly twisting works but that's just my opinion. I don't have any belief that it's worth any more than anyone else's - I think that there are a huge number of people that have far more knowledge than I do.See this view a lot. Somehow the bother of getting another manager means that conventional assessment of a current manager is unnecessary, we just carry on regardless of zero improvements or poor performance if they occur. No successful business operates in this way.
As a Spurs supporter I want the best possible manager . Period.
If it is clear that Ange is not the best manager, then we change. We are currently still working this out with him. We all want him to succeed ofc, but if we add significantly to our 7 Prem defeats in 11 matches plus no sign of improvements, then it may not be in the best interests of the club to continue.
Further, there is no guarantee that a new manager would fail, we don't know this. Yes, Levy is a factor, but he was chairman when we reached CL final and almost succeeded in the Prem.
I like the England observation.I think we're the England of club football. Most of the other major footballing nations, such as France, Germany, Italy and Spain have their ups and downs but still win a few trophies along the way. Whereas England likes to think of itself as mixing it with those big boys but hasn't won a tournament for nearly sixty years. Much smaller nations than England, like Netherlands, Portugal, Denmark and Greece have won tournaments in that time. So it is with Tottenham.
Since we last won the league, Ipswich, Everton, Liverpool, Man U, Man C, Leeds, Arsenal, Derby, Forest, Villa, Blackburn, Chelsea and Leicester have won it.
Since we last won an FA Cup, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man U, Everton, Chelsea, Portsmouth, Wigan, Man C and Leicester have won it.
Even since we last won a League cup, Man U, Birmingham, Liverpool, Swansea, Man C and Chelsea have won it.
I think we're the England of club football. Most of the other major footballing nations, such as France, Germany, Italy and Spain have their ups and downs but still win a few trophies along the way. Whereas England likes to think of itself as mixing it with those big boys but hasn't won a tournament for nearly sixty years. Much smaller nations than England, like Netherlands, Portugal, Denmark and Greece have won tournaments in that time. So it is with Tottenham.
Since we last won the league, Ipswich, Everton, Liverpool, Man U, Man C, Leeds, Arsenal, Derby, Forest, Villa, Blackburn, Chelsea and Leicester have won it.
Since we last won an FA Cup, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man U, Everton, Chelsea, Portsmouth, Wigan, Man C and Leicester have won it.
Even since we last won a League cup, Man U, Birmingham, Liverpool, Swansea, Man C and Chelsea have won it.
Supporting both is painful.I like the England observation.
I'm convinced we would have won. But Mourinho was in line to pick upa few million in bonuses iirc. Hence the bullet.Does anyone on here ever wonder that if he hadn’t sacked Mourinho just before the LC final we might have got over the never win scenario? Or we would have just lost anyway![]()
I think people who are hoping a single trophy is going to set us off are in for a rude awakening. It will be no different to the last few times we won a trophy. We will just have something to celebrate for a bit but will still not have the winning mentality from it. It's possible with our academy winning things they might at least develop that but it's highly unlikely many will break through. Until we change our stance and sign proven winners (and not in their 30s) not a lot will change.Does anyone on here ever wonder that if he hadn’t sacked Mourinho just before the LC final we might have got over the never win scenario? Or we would have just lost anyway![]()
To be fair, if we'd won the past couple of games handsomely 5-0 then this discussion wouldn't even be happening today.
It all depends what the beholder sees the "problem" is I suppose. For me the problem is a tactical, over-coaching and confidence one. I believe those are the things that need improving upon if we wanted to have won more games and performed better so far this season, not a change of ownership.
I do feel that too many see literally everything as leading back to Levy, and I just don't buy into that being the case.