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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

Ange In or Ange Out?

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Gilzeanking

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May 7, 2005
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There are so many factors to take on board - I do firmly feel that unless everything is aligned then we will always end up back here again and again. The thought of another coach change doesn't excite me on bit. Even if it was Pep, I'd still feel the same. The thought of another change is actually sickening because it really is obvious that the discontent would start again within a 12 month period, tops.
See this view a lot. Somehow the bother of getting another manager means that conventional assessment of a current manager is unnecessary, we just carry on regardless of zero improvements or poor performance if they occur. No successful business operates in this way.

As a Spurs supporter I want the best possible manager . Period.

If it is clear that Ange is not the best manager, then we change. We are currently still working this out with him. We all want him to succeed ofc, but if we add significantly to our 7 Prem defeats in 11 matches plus no sign of improvements, then it may not be in the best interests of the club to continue.

Further, there is no guarantee that a new manager would fail, we don't know this. Yes, Levy is a factor, but he was chairman when we reached CL final and almost succeeded in the Prem.
 

marion52

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Dec 10, 2006
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Does anyone on here ever wonder that if he hadn’t sacked Mourinho just before the LC final we might have got over the never win scenario? Or we would have just lost anyway🥺
 

philll

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Aug 31, 2012
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For me, Ange is equally to blame for the current form, it's just all too predictable & basic.

Perhaps if we'd got Neto, Eze & Gyökeres in the summer we'd be taking our chances and smashing teams 5 every week but I still think we'd be undone against a better or more tactically astute manager every time it mattered.

It's just easy.
Sit back, let us have the ball, pack your box with bodies, win the ball back & hit your runners on the break.

We can't handle crosses and don't even get me started on corners - hit the right spot and it's virtually a guaranteed goal.

We have glaring issues, from a stunted attack, forced to the byline for a cut back every time, to Vic looking weak af on every corner & cross.

That’s coaching issues, who’s the coach?
This is exactly why, this time, I think it's too easy to fall straight back to screeching at Levy and act like all our problems are because Ange "isn't being backed".
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Jul 10, 2008
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Does anyone on here ever wonder that if he hadn’t sacked Mourinho just before the LC final we might have got over the never win scenario? Or we would have just lost anyway🥺

We would have lost anyway. We were in terrible form and getting worst. Mourinho was in self-preservation mode and should have been sacked as soon as we got knocked out the Europa league by team managed by someone from their prison cell.
 

Styopa

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Jan 19, 2014
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I know that we're not the only ones but for some reason, we are seen as a bit of a 'joke club' in this respect. I do feel like we are in somewhat of a unique position. Too big of a club to not have expectations but in a sense, the great pretenders because we see ourselves as elite but we can't back it up with trophies and whatever anyone says about the importance of trophies - this is a competitive sport and trophies are a yardstick for success.

I think we're the England of club football. Most of the other major footballing nations, such as France, Germany, Italy and Spain have their ups and downs but still win a few trophies along the way. Whereas England likes to think of itself as mixing it with those big boys but hasn't won a tournament for nearly sixty years. Much smaller nations than England, like Netherlands, Portugal, Denmark and Greece have won tournaments in that time. So it is with Tottenham.

Since we last won the league, Ipswich, Everton, Liverpool, Man U, Man C, Leeds, Arsenal, Derby, Forest, Villa, Blackburn, Chelsea and Leicester have won it.

Since we last won an FA Cup, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man U, Everton, Chelsea, Portsmouth, Wigan, Man C and Leicester have won it.

Even since we last won a League cup, Man U, Birmingham, Liverpool, Swansea, Man C and Chelsea have won it.
 

Silky Skills

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Aug 21, 2013
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I think we're the England of club football. Most of the other major footballing nations, such as France, Germany, Italy and Spain have their ups and downs but still win a few trophies along the way. Whereas England likes to think of itself as mixing it with those big boys but hasn't won a tournament for nearly sixty years. Much smaller nations than England, like Netherlands, Portugal, Denmark and Greece have won tournaments in that time. So it is with Tottenham.

Since we last won the league, Ipswich, Everton, Liverpool, Man U, Man C, Leeds, Arsenal, Derby, Forest, Villa, Blackburn, Chelsea and Leicester have won it.

Since we last won an FA Cup, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man U, Everton, Chelsea, Portsmouth, Wigan, Man C and Leicester have won it.

Even since we last won a League cup, Man U, Birmingham, Liverpool, Swansea, Man C and Chelsea have won it.
What about the Audi Cup?
 

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
Nov 24, 2013
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See this view a lot. Somehow the bother of getting another manager means that conventional assessment of a current manager is unnecessary, we just carry on regardless of zero improvements or poor performance if they occur. No successful business operates in this way.

As a Spurs supporter I want the best possible manager . Period.

If it is clear that Ange is not the best manager, then we change. We are currently still working this out with him. We all want him to succeed ofc, but if we add significantly to our 7 Prem defeats in 11 matches plus no sign of improvements, then it may not be in the best interests of the club to continue.

Further, there is no guarantee that a new manager would fail, we don't know this. Yes, Levy is a factor, but he was chairman when we reached CL final and almost succeeded in the Prem.
For sure it's reasonable to judge what he's doing from game to game. I hope that we do stick this out - again, I really don't think that constantly twisting works but that's just my opinion. I don't have any belief that it's worth any more than anyone else's - I think that there are a huge number of people that have far more knowledge than I do.
 

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
Nov 24, 2013
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I think we're the England of club football. Most of the other major footballing nations, such as France, Germany, Italy and Spain have their ups and downs but still win a few trophies along the way. Whereas England likes to think of itself as mixing it with those big boys but hasn't won a tournament for nearly sixty years. Much smaller nations than England, like Netherlands, Portugal, Denmark and Greece have won tournaments in that time. So it is with Tottenham.

Since we last won the league, Ipswich, Everton, Liverpool, Man U, Man C, Leeds, Arsenal, Derby, Forest, Villa, Blackburn, Chelsea and Leicester have won it.

Since we last won an FA Cup, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man U, Everton, Chelsea, Portsmouth, Wigan, Man C and Leicester have won it.

Even since we last won a League cup, Man U, Birmingham, Liverpool, Swansea, Man C and Chelsea have won it.
I like the England observation.
 

For the love of Spurs

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Mar 28, 2015
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I think we're the England of club football. Most of the other major footballing nations, such as France, Germany, Italy and Spain have their ups and downs but still win a few trophies along the way. Whereas England likes to think of itself as mixing it with those big boys but hasn't won a tournament for nearly sixty years. Much smaller nations than England, like Netherlands, Portugal, Denmark and Greece have won tournaments in that time. So it is with Tottenham.

Since we last won the league, Ipswich, Everton, Liverpool, Man U, Man C, Leeds, Arsenal, Derby, Forest, Villa, Blackburn, Chelsea and Leicester have won it.

Since we last won an FA Cup, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man U, Everton, Chelsea, Portsmouth, Wigan, Man C and Leicester have won it.

Even since we last won a League cup, Man U, Birmingham, Liverpool, Swansea, Man C and Chelsea have won it.

It’s a good point although I would argue the difference is England have the players where as Spurs don’t. England have a team Jurgen or Pep would be proud to manager, England’s issue is a managerial culture that is totally out of date and has been for decades. Spurs issue is the actual players we have, just not the level because of our widely discussed problems.

England’s current team is more like Man City or Arsenal managed by Tony Pulis, Spurs are more like Poland but managed by Naglesmann or Rangnick by which I mean we have had decent managers such as Poch, and Conte.

edit: to add on paper England’s troubles are a much easier fix, sort out the management. But just like Spurs have Levy, England have the FA. It’s Levy and the FA that basically need to go to solve the issue. The problem is easy to see, the solution of moving Levy out and getting rid of the old guard at the FA is another thing.
 
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archiewasking

Waiting for silverware..........
Jul 5, 2004
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Does anyone on here ever wonder that if he hadn’t sacked Mourinho just before the LC final we might have got over the never win scenario? Or we would have just lost anyway🥺
I'm convinced we would have won. But Mourinho was in line to pick upa few million in bonuses iirc. Hence the bullet.
 

mil1lion

This is the place to be
May 7, 2004
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Does anyone on here ever wonder that if he hadn’t sacked Mourinho just before the LC final we might have got over the never win scenario? Or we would have just lost anyway🥺
I think people who are hoping a single trophy is going to set us off are in for a rude awakening. It will be no different to the last few times we won a trophy. We will just have something to celebrate for a bit but will still not have the winning mentality from it. It's possible with our academy winning things they might at least develop that but it's highly unlikely many will break through. Until we change our stance and sign proven winners (and not in their 30s) not a lot will change.
 

JW72

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"People would rather be first to make a judgement even if they are wrong rather than wait for somebody else. The way we live our lives these days, there is far more judgement than real reasoned, opinionated analysis..." Ange has clearly been lurking in match-day threads :cautious:
 

Styopa

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Jan 19, 2014
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To be fair, if we'd won the past couple of games handsomely 5-0 then this discussion wouldn't even be happening today.

It all depends what the beholder sees the "problem" is I suppose. For me the problem is a tactical, over-coaching and confidence one. I believe those are the things that need improving upon if we wanted to have won more games and performed better so far this season, not a change of ownership.

I do feel that too many see literally everything as leading back to Levy, and I just don't buy into that being the case.

It really depends on the perspective from which you’re viewing the situation. Many people focus on the last three or four matches, which is a valid viewpoint, but only reveals so much.

Looking at the last 30 matches—especially considering that the first ten matches of last season seem increasingly like an anomaly— gives you another angle.

You can also zoom out even further, like a historian would, to identify patterns and trends over a longer period. We can’t attribute our lack of trophies over the past twenty years to being over-coached; that doesn’t seem plausible. Sure, we might have hired a series of tactically inept coaches during that time, but who was responsible for bringing those coaches in?
 
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