Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[nedley]

They’re his fucking players or do you think he had no say in Werner, Johnson etc.

Did Conte really want Spence?

Remember when Redknapp said 'no I dont want Charlie fucking Adam on deadline day...

Granted all our recent signings would have been rubber stamped by Ange and he will take responsibility for that.

But the window im terms of incomings was a poor one. We simply didn't strengthen the 1st 11 enough. Only 1 player in Solanke.

Thats just poor squad building. And that isnt Ange fault.

 

[Trees]

Did he say there's no quick fix?

We should be seeing progression of some sort going into a second season, and thats not an unreasonable expectation.

At the moment we're actually regessing.

Big Ange needs to get a grip of this before the whole squad looks shot of confidence.

You can see what the game will be like now against Brentford. They sit in for the first half hour. Thereafter crowd gets restless and second half meltdown.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

Did Conte really want Spence?

Remember when Redknapp said 'no I dont want Charlie fucking Adam on deadline day...

Granted all our recent signings would have been rubber stamped by Ange and he will take responsibility for that.

But the window im terms of incomings was a poor one. We simply didn't strengthen the 1st 11 enough. Only 1 player in Solanke.

Thats just poor squad building. And that isnt Ange fault.

agree with this. but Ange should be responsible for the team's performance on the pitch.

 

[Mr Pink]

At the end of the day scoring seems a real struggle and look at the quality of chances we',re giving up most games.

Thats not sustainable and its Ange's job to find the solutions even if he has to compromise his tactical set up.

 

[nedley]

agree with this. but Ange should be responsible for the team's performance on the pitch.

Yep.

Agree.

 

[makeveli]

lovely man but too stubborn and has no plan b, everyteam plays rights through us now , we are a top team in the pl , if you cant adapt and have a plan b , you need to leave you are not bigger than this club mate.

 

[E17yid]

Personally, I doubt it's that straightforward. It rarely is with this club. But maybe you're right. If they really were Ange's choices, then that's worrying I think.

So, there had to be change, the reality of it is that this team finished 8th last year, so I think that gives you an indication of where the club was at and what it thought it needed.

"I've taken that on board and I haven't been blocked in any sort of way in making the changes that I wanted, and that's what we're continuing to do.

"I take a fairly big lead in terms of providing the information of what we need.

"That goes to our scouting department, and there's a whole group of people there who put the information together and give me the list that I need to look at.

"Some of it is just players who come on the market and are then given to me to have a look at to see if I think they fit the profile, and then I'll give them the feedback.

"That then gets passed onto the people that do the negotiation part of it."


I've never felt encumbered by whoever I've worked with, I usually get my way, so I won't worry about it.

"But I don't have total control, because obviously I have control of one side of it, of 'this is the player that I think fits a profile', but there's a whole range of other things that come into it from a financial perspective.

"It's not like I can do whatever I want, it's one of the things I'm really strong on, I just wouldn't see the sense in bringing a player in that I didn't think fit, I don't care who was giving them to me or who was putting him forward.

"I think ultimately, whatever happens I'm going to take the responsibility, and I would never say I didn't sign this player, he's not one of mine, because once a player comes into the club, he's mine.

"So if I'm going to take that responsibility, then I want to say I like working with the sporting director, because they do most of that legwork that I just don't have the time for.

"When you have a good sporting director and you work together, and they see the game through your eyes and they say 'ok Ange this guy is going to be perfect for you' and you look at it and go 'brilliant', I don't even worry about it.

"But I'm still going to have my say, because when questioning comes around a signing, I'll never say that it wasn't mine, so if I'm going to take that stance, I want the final say.

"I want people to be at ease that whatever decisions we make, as a collective, I will take responsibility for."

 

[Styopa]

If the club presents a list of five players and ange gets a say in terms of preference after speaking with them then it would all depend on who the five are.

Take Wilson for example. I’m sure we’re all happy we have taken a punt, as Ange is but I’m also sure that Ange like us would have loved it if we had got a top winger in to really make an impact now.

Yeah, this is how I picture it working, to be honest. There's a list, and we move down it as needed. Sometimes this method works out, and when it does, we’re seen as decisive for quickly pivoting to another target when the top option isn't available. But as we go further down the list, you’d expect there to be compromises—whether it's lower salary demands or something else. Sometimes we’ll strike gold, but other times we’ll end up sacrificing quality.

Presumably someone like Odobert was somewhere on the "Ange-approved" list, but that doesn't mean it was the player he wanted for that position this season.

We've seen this happen lots of times at Spurs. That's not to give Ange a free ticket but it's mitigating circumstances.

 

[Dave1882]

Did he say there's no quick fix?

We should be seeing progression of some sort going into a second season, and thats not an unreasonable expectation.

At the moment we're actually regessing.

Big Ange needs to get a grip of this before the whole squad looks shot of confidence.

Direct quote. He said no quick fix to issues we can see. I agree with everything you've pointed out

 

[nedley]

I mean its all very similar isnt it.

Conte, Mourinho.

They are wanted certain pieces in order to play their style of football.

Neither were given EXACTLY what they needed.

This will end up EXACTLY the same.

 

[Styopa]

So, there had to be change, the reality of it is that this team finished 8th last year, so I think that gives you an indication of where the club was at and what it thought it needed.

"I've taken that on board and I haven't been blocked in any sort of way in making the changes that I wanted, and that's what we're continuing to do.

"I take a fairly big lead in terms of providing the information of what we need.

"That goes to our scouting department, and there's a whole group of people there who put the information together and give me the list that I need to look at.

"Some of it is just players who come on the market and are then given to me to have a look at to see if I think they fit the profile, and then I'll give them the feedback.

"That then gets passed onto the people that do the negotiation part of it."


I've never felt encumbered by whoever I've worked with, I usually get my way, so I won't worry about it.

"But I don't have total control, because obviously I have control of one side of it, of 'this is the player that I think fits a profile', but there's a whole range of other things that come into it from a financial perspective.

"It's not like I can do whatever I want, it's one of the things I'm really strong on, I just wouldn't see the sense in bringing a player in that I didn't think fit, I don't care who was giving them to me or who was putting him forward.

"I think ultimately, whatever happens I'm going to take the responsibility, and I would never say I didn't sign this player, he's not one of mine, because once a player comes into the club, he's mine.

"So if I'm going to take that responsibility, then I want to say I like working with the sporting director, because they do most of that legwork that I just don't have the time for.

"When you have a good sporting director and you work together, and they see the game through your eyes and they say 'ok Ange this guy is going to be perfect for you' and you look at it and go 'brilliant', I don't even worry about it.

"But I'm still going to have my say, because when questioning comes around a signing, I'll never say that it wasn't mine, so if I'm going to take that stance, I want the final say.

"I want people to be at ease that whatever decisions we make, as a collective, I will take responsibility for."

That’s fine, and he’s a great representative for the club, but I don't think it changes anything I’ve said.

 

[E17yid]

Did Conte really want Spence?

Remember when Redknapp said 'no I dont want Charlie fucking Adam on deadline day...

Granted all our recent signings would have been rubber stamped by Ange and he will take responsibility for that.

But the window im terms of incomings was a poor one. We simply didn't strengthen the 1st 11 enough. Only 1 player in Solanke.

Thats just poor squad building. And that isnt Ange fault.

I disagree, thought our business was decent. Not perfect but decent. We certainly shouldn’t be putting in performances like that after 50 games or whatever it is.

 

[Styopa]

I mean its all very similar isnt it.

Conte, Mourinho.

They are wanted certain pieces in order to play their style of football.

Neither were given EXACTLY what they needed.

This will end up EXACTLY the same.

Inevitably it will happen with the next coach as well, because the next coach will have his own ideas about who he needs and wants. It happened with AVB as well. It happened Poch when he was given players like Sissoko.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

I mean its all very similar isnt it.

Conte, Mourinho.

They are wanted certain pieces in order to play their style of football.

Neither were given EXACTLY what they needed.

This will end up EXACTLY the same.

and this will happen again...until Levy & co who think they know football better than others fuck off

 

[coy-spurs1882]

Inevitably it will happen with the next coach as well, because the next coach will have his own ideas about who he needs and wants. It happened with AVB as well. It happened Poch when he was given players like Sissoko.

happened with Redknapp and even Jol too...

 

[Trix]

It's funny how all through the Summer every signing we brought in Ange was out the in press conferences telling us how long he'd wanted them, and as such posters on here were happy with them "because they were the ones Ange wanted". Now apparently he was not getting what he wanted and that's why we are struggling.

 

[Mr Pink]

Another possible issue could be Ange not talking to individual players...one on ones.

I never really warmed to that approach but i cant imagine its useful in tough times.

The PL is a different animal to the Scottish league.

 

[Styopa]

I disagree, thought our business was decent. Not perfect but decent. We certainly shouldn’t be putting in performances like that after 50 games or whatever it is.

The thing is, mate, when do we stop blaming the coach? It was Conte's fault, then Mourinho's fault. Now it's Ange's fault, and before that, it was Poch and AVB and Ramos.

We've tried every type of coach—ultra-defensive to ultra-attacking, the youngest to the most experienced, those who've won it all to those who've won nothing, both English and foreign coaches. Last summer we were even at the point where we were considering rehiring a coach we have previously sacked.

 

[nedley]

I disagree, thought our business was decent. Not perfect but decent. We certainly shouldn’t be putting in performances like that after 50 games or whatever it is.

In generic terms you're right.

A 10/10 in terms of clearing the deadwood.

But it was no more than a 6/10 for incomings. Thats poor squad building imo

Its far more complexed than saying it was decent. But you're right, we shouldnt be putting in these types of performances.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

lovely man but too stubborn and has no plan b, everyteam plays rights through us now , we are a top team in the pl , if you cant adapt and have a plan b , you need to leave you are not bigger than this club mate.

Well if that's your complaint, no plan B, then he joins a very long list of Spurs managers at whom that criticism/complaint has been levelled. That list would include every Spurs manager since the internet was invented.