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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

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crokey

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Sep 1, 2012
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There's 4 groups of important people at the club:

1. Levy + Board
2. Lange + Scouts
3. Ange + Coaches
4. Players

If you're looking for someone to blame and after all these years continue to pick #3, you're an absolute mug.
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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Ok I just need to ask here cause mybe im thick….. last season we finished 2 points off 4th beating relegation fodder? Just so I’m clear?
Last season - we rode the hot start that we made in the first 10 games. Its been pretty consistently mediocre since those games.

You can't ignore the 1st 10 games - but its been so long since we looked like that, its often hard to remember...
 

Metalhead

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Wasn’t so easy for the teams we beat? Ur gurning a lot but have no real answers, it’s football, I expected us to get beaten today because they are the better team. They scored from a set piece, people on here losing shit for absolutely no reason. Who really thought we were gonna boss the game and win easily? It’s the same on every same on every fan forum we win who cares what shite we play we lose and we are fucked, it’s total hyperbole.
I don't know, there was a chap on the BBC site earlier who seemed confident that we'd win 5-0. If that isn't expert opinion, I don't know what is.
 

talkshowhost86

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I don’t buy into this ‘we controlled the game’ bullshit. Arteta controlled the game by coming with a plan to silence us with men behind the ball and shithouse time wasting. We walked straight into a trap. Ange needs to wise up. This is the Premier League. No-one is going to step back and let you through while you build the perfect football team. You’ve got to do the basics first.
We've 'controlled the game' in all 4 matches so far and won 1 of them.

If Ange or anyone else is putting any stock in our 'control' then I think it's entirely missing the point.
 

arunspurs

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Ok I just need to ask here cause mybe im thick….. last season we finished 2 points off 4th beating relegation fodder? Just so I’m clear?

Well you are indeed thick it seems

We played so well first half of season - all the important points came then

But hey, PL managers arent idiots . They learn.

Wolves were the first team to work us out. Since then in Feb, whether you like it or not, we only got points against relegation threatened sides or 10 man Villa.

Of the games we lost, especially since april, every single team (except City ofcourse), set up exact same way. I dont have any agenda in this. You just need to look at the table, the games and realise this yourself.
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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Mar 4, 2021
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There's 4 groups of important people at the club:

1. Levy + Board
2. Lange + Scouts
3. Ange + Coaches
4. Players

If you're looking for someone to blame and after all these years continue to pick #3, you're an absolute mug.

Different years, different causes - but, I don't think anyone at the club should feel like they are faultless for this particular period. Everything should be evaluated. Budget, scouting, coaching, players. All have room for improvement.
 

sundanceyid10

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Aug 22, 2013
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There's 4 groups of important people at the club:

1. Levy + Board
2. Lange + Scouts
3. Ange + Coaches
4. Players

If you're looking for someone to blame and after all these years continue to pick #3, you're an absolute mug.
I don’t blame the manager the problems have been here long before he showed up. The club really really lacks a winning culture, direction and identity. It’s been here for so long and through pretty much all of Levy’s tenure. It gave birth to the term ‘Spursy’.
 

Donki

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There's 4 groups of important people at the club:

1. Levy + Board
2. Lange + Scouts
3. Ange + Coaches
4. Players

If you're looking for someone to blame and after all these years continue to pick #3, you're an absolute mug.
I think most people in the club want the club to be successful, the idea that Mr Baldy mad doesn’t want us to be successful has always made me chuckle. We have forums about *laughing at other teams* wasting money, buying too many players, having stadiums that are in ruin. Yet we shout at baldy man for the complete opposite. There is no perfeft club, the sooner people realise that, the sooner you can have a coke and and a smile.
 

Trix

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Jul 29, 2004
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Wasn’t so easy for the teams we beat? Ur gurning a lot but have no real answers, it’s football, I expected us to get beaten today because they are the better team. They scored from a set piece, people on here losing shit for absolutely no reason. Who really thought we were gonna boss the game and win easily? It’s the same on every same on every fan forum we win who cares what shite we play we lose and we are fucked, it’s total hyperbole.
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT TODAYS GAME!

In isolation today's game is not a big deal, but those criticising are not looking at this game as a singular event like you are. They are looking at the pattern that has been visible since the start of the year when we lost to Wolves.

Set pieces have been a problem for months. Counter attacks against our extremely high line and inverted full backs have been an issue for months. Our failure to create chances despite controlling possession has been a problem for months. Vicario dealing with crosses has been a problem for months.

Yet we keep to the same exact instruction, don't need a set piece coach, and don't rotate certain players despite poor form.

Now maybe Ange is a genius and everything will just miraculously just start working, but in my experience that's not how football works. It happens gradually and with ups and downs along the way, have to say in all the points I've made above I'm not seeing it.
 

Donki

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Well you are indeed thick it seems

We played so well first half of season - all the important points came then

But hey, PL managers arent idiots . They learn.

Wolves were the first team to work us out. Since then in Feb, whether you like it or not, we only got points against relegation threatened sides or 10 man Villa.

Of the games we lost, especially since april, every single team (except City ofcourse), set up exact same way. I dont have any agenda in this. You just need to look at the table, the games and realise this yourself.
You pick and choose what u want to see for ur agenda, you haven’t once acknolged, the ACN, injuries, but hey I’m think. We were close to forth, but hey u chose the league standing.
 

only1waddle

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Jun 18, 2012
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I think most people in the club want the club to be successful, the idea that Mr Baldy mad doesn’t want us to be successful has always made me chuckle. We have forums about *laughing at other teams* wasting money, buying too many players, having stadiums that are in ruin. Yet we shout at baldy man for the complete opposite. There is no perfeft club, the sooner people realise that, the sooner you can have a coke and and a smile.

Perhaps he shouldn't have come out publicly and stated the new stadium would be a game changer then.
You can keep defending absolutely everything or at least attempt a bit of reality.
 

theShiznit

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Jul 26, 2004
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Fairly even game decided by a set piece where our "best defender" lost his man.

Only issue for me is against an organised defence we don't have the creativity to break teams down.

I thought Solanke did well but the CM's and WF 's aren't good enough.
Son just slows the game down over and over, I think he tried to take on white once. And skinned him, after that it was all backwards and slow it down.

When Bentancur or Sarr are coming short to receive it they tend to pop it straight back where it came from which doesn't really achieve anything.
Maddison trying too much and taking too many touches also doesn't really help.

I'm hoping Bergvall comes into the team sooner rather than later as I feel he can be a difference maker in tight games.
Odobert is clearly a better LWF but is almost being fast tracked to play RWF due to Johnson's limits, but he could've easily taken Son's place today.
 

JamieSpursCommunityUser

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I worded it badly but far too many on here can’t accept any criticism without thinking there’s a greater conspiracy of fickleness behind it

Gotcha.

Sure Ange isn't immune to criticism, but surely no manager can be appraised properly without getting them the appropriate players for how they play.

Our board refuses to do that. Sabotaging each manager time after time for decades.

Look at Pep's first season before he spent big (ie £150m on three FBs). Before that we took them apart at WHL. Many teams did. "Has he been found out in the PL?" was the narrative.

Klopp was on thin ice with Liverpool fans until he got Allison, Van Dyke, and Fabinho. We battered them too at Wembley.

Ange needed a starting quality technical winger. His football is about creating a very high number of quality 1v1 situations out wide.

He got Odobert and Yang as ones for the future, and Werner who has no use in this role whatsoever.

None are starting.

This summer we failed to address our biggest weakness, so if people aren't turning on the board, then we at least need to give Ange the patience to turn youngsters into starters.

Because no manager in world football is turning Johnson and Werner into Doku or Nico Williams. It just isn't happening.

These are both highly predictable and very limited players who cough up the ball constantly in the final third.
 
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Donki

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IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT TODAYS GAME!

In isolation today's game is not a big deal, but those criticising are not looking at this game as a singular event like you are. They are looking at the pattern that has been visible since the start of the year when we lost to Wolves.

Set pieces have been a problem for months. Counter attacks against our extremely high line and inverted full backs have been an issue for months. Our failure to create chances despite controlling possession has been a problem for months. Vicario dealing with crosses has been a problem for months.

Yet we keep to the same exact instruction, don't need a set piece coach, and don't rotate certain players despite poor form.

Now maybe Ange is a genius and everything will just miraculously just start working, but in my experience that's not how football works. It happens gradually and with ups and downs along the way, have to say in all the points I've made above I'm not seeing it.
Set pieces, this whole *set piece* coach thing is hairy balls, you have a defensive coach and they should sort out the tatcics, put mean reason for errors and conceding is simply individual mistakes. That’s on the player not the manager, todays was glaring they obvious. We are all to keen to blame Levy or the manager, a player gets payed the money and he should do the job.
 

arunspurs

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You pick and choose what u want to see for ur agenda, you haven’t once acknolged, the ACN, injuries, but hey I’m think. We were close to forth, but hey u chose the league standing.

Err.. I acknowledged by the fact that , the games I included were from Feb 2024 -by then we already recovered from key injuries, got players back from AFCON, Asia cup. Even Bentancur was back

Yes, ofcourse we had 1 or 2 other injured.... Feb 2024 to now, we have had most of our main XI

I guess you just have selective amnesia ? 🤔
 

NorthernYido

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Looking at Ange on the touchline today , he rarely gives anything away expression wise . But today, I don't know, he looked like a man who's penny had dropped. These attacking players aren't going to pull off what he wants.
He should have seen this long ago. I don't want to sound so negative. There are things we're getting right, but the final third isn't working and that's on him. Coaching wise but also decision making.
There has been a litany of bad decisions imo, maybe many are not on him. But I want to point to one that he made early in his tenure before we even kicked a ball , making Son captain.
His days should have been numbered with us. He's been a great player but his legs -they were arguably gone last season - they definitely are now.
We could have cashed in there but instead have set a terrible precedent for standard in making him captain.
 

Donki

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Perhaps he shouldn't have come out publicly and stated the new stadium would be a game changer then.
You can keep defending absolutely everything or at least attempt a bit of reality.
The stadium has only been built for a few seasons….. it was always gonna be along the same trajectory as Arsnals build, covid clearly didn’t help, but clearly Levy made the virus.
 

sidford

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Sometimes he doesn't help himself does he. He's talked about title charges this season and now this yet 10 points from last 11 games and 44 points from last 32 games. He can be bullish all he wants but he needs to start backing it up or he's making a huge rod for his own back
 

NickHSpurs

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I feel for Ange, his system would work with better players. He isn’t the problem, the signings/squad are.
 

13VanDerBale13

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Jul 12, 2011
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There's 4 groups of important people at the club:

1. Levy + Board
2. Lange + Scouts
3. Ange + Coaches
4. Players

If you're looking for someone to blame and after all these years continue to pick #3, you're an absolute mug.

Yep, nothing will ever change & the fans need to vent their anger at the right person.
 
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