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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

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fishhhandaricecake

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Hopefully that line at the end refers to further incoming or two as well.
‘A little bit to do’ sounds to me like Solanke & Odobert were the main 2 signings and now it’s if we can get a LB and/or CM in the final week but his expectations are that we might or we might not.

I can see us getting 0,1 or 2 more in but definitely not another top attacking wide player like we need unfortunately, however if we can get a LB & CM then it’ll have been a strong window overall.

Fingers crossed that ‘little bit’ can still include one half decent money signing a la a CM like Gomes and perhaps an opportunistic LB.

Ange seems fairly calm about it all tbh.
 

13VanDerBale13

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Not sure if could say woefully short as aside from left back we’re pretty well covered?

Looks as though Spence being given chance to deputise for Porro, we have Dragusij as centre back cover and Davies as left centre back cover / left back (although he may not be as well suited to this in Ange’s system).

We also have Gray who can play at back.

So we really only need another left back and VDV can also be pushed out there if needed.

If VDV gets injured again we’re screwed.

Davies can do a job, but he’s not the answer for LCB/LB.

It’s imperative we sign someone capable of playing both roles, more adequately than him.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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There’s nothing wrong with signing young players but that shouldn’t be our complete transfer strategy.

We’re Tottenham Hotspur, one of the biggest clubs in the world. It shouldn’t be beyond comprehension for us to sign ready made first team players on big wages.

We’ve all been hoodwinked for years and we’re grateful for any signing we make and immediately believe them to be the next Messi but they’re just as likely to be the next John Bostock.

For the record, I have every faith that the young players will be great, I just want us to back our current manager for a change.

He definitely wanted Neto but honestly, did any of us think we were signing him?

We’ve seen how this plays out.
Totally agree, all I’d say to that is we only have a certain budget and we had a lot to do in terms of volume of signings to really deepen the squad so by signing a younger profile of player we could still get good players but could spread the budget around a bit.

My hope is that from January and next summer onwards we will be in a position whereby we only need 3-4 signings max and 2 of them should be ready to go top top players who can really push us forwards, like Arsenal last summer with Rice, Havertz etc, big money good quality signings but I think we have to be patient as we needed 2 big summer windows in terms of volume of signing to shape and deepen the squad for Ange.
 

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We could this one of two ways - well three but the third is similar to one of the other options, Solanke aside - buy more than just a couple of ready made players and have to wait as that bears fruit for a season or two or buy one or two ready made players and have an unbalanced/lopsided or weak squad in certain areas for a season or two until we have filled all the gaps.

That's my view. Whether we made the right choice, who knows.

I think we pivot from youth to first teamers in quality vs quantity from hereon.
 

ajspurs

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There’s nothing wrong with signing young players but that shouldn’t be our complete transfer strategy.

We’re Tottenham Hotspur, one of the biggest clubs in the world. It shouldn’t be beyond comprehension for us to sign ready made first team players on big wages.

We’ve all been hoodwinked for years and we’re grateful for any signing we make and immediately believe them to be the next Messi but they’re just as likely to be the next John Bostock.

For the record, I have every faith that the young players will be great, I just want us to back our current manager for a change.

He definitely wanted Neto but honestly, did any of us think we were signing him?

We’ve seen how this plays out.

Absolutely bang on mate, and this is where a lot of my frustration lies with our transfer business/policy. The Neto deal felt less and less likely as each day passed with nothing breaking in the media to be honest.

Even looking at Arsenal over the years who have brought in the likes of Ozil, Sanchez, Aubameyang, Rice, big big ready-made signings bought with the intention of bringing the team to a whole new level. I know it sounds a whiny and a bit childish and such, but I would really love for us to bring in a level-raising player. You can argue as to whether those players were successful as they should have been or not, but if the infrastructure is right, there's a much better chance of success. Arteta now for instance with a few more signings of that stature would be scary, as much as I hate to say. The frustration is also that if you can't bring players in of quite the stature of those forementioned names, you can at least pay a bit over the odds to secure the next best in the likes of Eze and Neto, but we couldn't get those over the line either.

Like @fishhhandaricecake said, hopefully we get to a stage where a few top players in certain areas is all we're really missing, but I don't have the greatest of confidence as that was the case with our wide positions this summer really, and we got nothing of the sort.
 

mil1lion

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Pretty sure Gray will cover at centre back after Dragusin. I would be looking more for a left back but Davies will cover so I wouldn't be surprised if we're done in this window. Unless we get a short term on a centre back we're well covered for the future so I think we'll make do for now. I think full back is the one area we don't seem to have anyone particularly talked about from the academy coming through.
 
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Unless Odobert is better than his stats for Burnley seem to suggest then I think we're short of a decent winger.

If we don't sign a decent, experienced, first 11 CM then I think we're going to continue to struggle to control games again.

I think those are the two obvious first 11 holes in our squad now (backup LB and goalie would both be nice but I don't think essential).

If the holes in the first 11 aren't plugged I don't really see us challenging for top four this season (and maybe that's alright while Gray and Bergvall bed in and some of our own youngsters develop).
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Absolutely bang on mate, and this is where a lot of my frustration lies with our transfer business/policy. The Neto deal felt less and less likely as each day passed with nothing breaking in the media to be honest.

Even looking at Arsenal over the years who have brought in the likes of Ozil, Sanchez, Aubameyang, Rice, big big ready-made signings bought with the intention of bringing the team to a whole new level. I know it sounds a whiny and a bit childish and such, but I would really love for us to bring in a level-raising player. You can argue as to whether those players were successful as they should have been or not, but if the infrastructure is right, there's a much better chance of success. Arteta now for instance with a few more signings of that stature would be scary, as much as I hate to say. The frustration is also that if you can't bring players in of quite the stature of those forementioned names, you can at least pay a bit over the odds to secure the next best in the likes of Eze and Neto, but we couldn't get those over the line either.

Like @fishhhandaricecake said, hopefully we get to a stage where a few top players in certain areas is all we're really missing, but I don't have the greatest of confidence as that was the case with our wide positions this summer really, and we got nothing of the sort.
Great analysis mate and completely agree. Suppose we just have to trust Ange, Lange and Munn 🙏
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Pretty sure Gray will cover at centre back after Dragusin. I would be looking more for a left back but Davies will cover so I wouldn't be surprised if we're done in this window. Unless we get a short term on a centre back we're well covered for the future so I think we'll make do for now. I think full back is the one area we don't seem to have anyone particularly talked about from the academy coming through.
Yea I think we’ll get a CM or nothing now rest of this window, unless we get an offer out of nowhere for Davies which all parties are happy with.
 

ajspurs

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Great analysis mate and completely agree. Suppose we just have to trust Ange, Lange and Munn 🙏

Yeah I mean, it seems like they're doing a great job of getting young talent in, so the box is firmly ticked in that department, but I'm not greatly encouraged by our ability to recruit in the more established department. Apologies as I'm just very disillusioned by us in the market and our willingness to try and take the side up a level. The re-signing of Werner really just typified where we're at as a club to me if I'm completely honest.

I understand that the outlook of where we're at can change very quickly though. If we beat Everton and got a win at St.James' Park (I know I know), then my mindset would automatically be a bit more positive. Like you say, we just have to trust the men in charge at this moment in time. Still very early days in this new structure which is easy to forget.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Yeah I mean, it seems like they're doing a great job of getting young talent in, so the box is firmly ticked in that department, but I'm not greatly encouraged by our ability to recruit in the more established department. Apologies as I'm just very disillusioned by us in the market and our willingness to try and take the side up a level. The re-signing of Werner really just typified where we're at as a club to me if I'm completely honest.

I understand that the outlook of where we're at can change very quickly though. If we beat Everton and got a win at St.James' Park (I know I know), then my mindset would automatically be a bit more positive. Like you say, we just have to trust the men in charge at this moment in time. Still very early days in this new structure which is easy to forget.
Yea is a tricky one isn’t it.

Id say overall under Ange a lot of our signings have been pretty good tbh.

The main one of concern is Johnson for £47mil as he’s really not pulling up many trees however he is only 23 and put up good figures last season so let’s not write him off just yet but compare him to the impact and quality say Vicario, Porro, VDV have had in their positions it’s night and day imo.

Also agree re-signing Werner doesn’t seem optimal but again it could be part of the longer term plan, he’s a stop gap loan player with no transfer outlay, he has pace to burn and knows the system and is a good character. He’s probably a slight upgrade on Solomon and he can be an experienced squad player this season whilst Odobert, Moore, Yang get up to speed, then we don’t renew his loan and next summer we go and hopefully sign a top top winger.
 

Danny1

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Have to say that I would be disappointed if we end up signing 3 young lads and Solanke. Yes they are extremely talented but with Solanke now out for god knows how long, we are basically back to the team that pretty much failed last year.
Not exactly reason for lots of excitement.
 

carpediem1906

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Ange pretty much said that the 3 young ones signed will make an impact and he’s confident they will.

yes, “relying” on 3 under 20 yr olds doesn’t sound anything like title challengers but are we really challenging for the title?

Ange also said close the gap to the top so if we are say 10-15 points off the top, that’s progress

honestly been very annoying to hear so many people moaning and pessimistic just because (1) we didn’t win our first game (2) we conceded (3) Johnson n Son didn’t play well (4) our signings aren’t big names that walk into first xi (incl Solanke)

let our recruitment and coaching team crack on and then let’s assess where we are 7-10 games in for goodness sake
 

mil1lion

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Have to say that I would be disappointed if we end up signing 3 young lads and Solanke. Yes they are extremely talented but with Solanke now out for god knows how long, we are basically back to the team that pretty much failed last year.
Not exactly reason for lots of excitement.
I think the youngsters we've signed even if they don't start will offer far more off the bench than we had last season. That could be the difference in a number of points from turning draws into wins. We also really missed Richarlison last season when he was out so even though Solanke is out the chances are we will have 1 fit most of the time. That in turn puts Son in his best position. We also lost Werner for the last month of the season so another loss in terms of depth. I don't think things are the same as last season anymore. That's before we factor in the fact we had one of the youngest squads last season so plenty of players are still developing.
 

npearl4spurs

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Ange pretty much said that the 3 young ones signed will make an impact and he’s confident they will.

yes, “relying” on 3 under 20 yr olds doesn’t sound anything like title challengers but are we really challenging for the title?

Ange also said close the gap to the top so if we are say 10-15 points off the top, that’s progress

honestly been very annoying to hear so many people moaning and pessimistic just because (1) we didn’t win our first game (2) we conceded (3) Johnson n Son didn’t play well (4) our signings aren’t big names that walk into first xi (incl Solanke)

let our recruitment and coaching team crack on and then let’s assess where we are 7-10 games in for goodness sake
Sounds like a lot of good reasons to moan and you missed some more
 

ajspurs

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Yea is a tricky one isn’t it.

Id say overall under Ange a lot of our signings have been pretty good tbh.

The main one of concern is Johnson for £47mil as he’s really not pulling up many trees however he is only 23 and put up good figures last season so let’s not write him off just yet but compare him to the impact and quality say Vicario, Porro, VDV have had in their positions it’s night and day imo.

Also agree re-signing Werner doesn’t seem optimal but again it could be part of the longer term plan, he’s a stop gap loan player with no transfer outlay, he has pace to burn and knows the system and is a good character. He’s probably a slight upgrade on Solomon and he can be an experienced squad player this season whilst Odobert, Moore, Yang get up to speed, then we don’t renew his loan and next summer we go and hopefully sign a top top winger.

Yeah it's weird as I'm not really too fussed about Johnson. Yes in hindsight I'd maybe argue against signing him but he was never going to be that number one right winger for us to me, despite what we paid for him, and I still think he could be a good player off the bench. I feel like the greater disappointment is not having someone comprehensively better ahead of him.

To be fair it's not that I saw zero sense in brining in Werner, it's just when it happened I automatically felt like we weren't going to do what was necessary in those wide areas. Feels like I have to put a lot of faith in Odobert this season to improve our wide play 😬

@mil1lion makes a good point though, there are numerous 'small' things that are an improvement over last season. Younger players being more experienced, depth in the striker position to ensure Son stays out wide and we always have a focal point, better suited players and good options in the centre of midfield so we won't be in a situation like we were during AFCON and with players being injured/suspended, better depth at CB (even if we are still one short) so we won't see an Emerson/Davies type partnership again and such. Hopefully these things will prove to be very beneficial throughout the whole of the season.
 
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