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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

Wearegoingtowintheleague

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Some of the comments on here are silly. Just like some really crap female presenters, there are plenty of really crap male presenters. I don't care what gender they are, I just want someone who doesn't sound like an idiot when they talk
The problem is that choosing a rubbish female pundit gives ammo to those who are sexist.

When female pundits are introduced it'd be better to chose knowledgeable pundits that can highlight how poor some of the male pundits are.

In this way, the debate could focus on what makes a decent pundit rather than the gender of a pundit.

I'd prefer to see a debate focused on good punditry rather than gender of the pundits.
 

Whazam

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The problem is that choosing a rubbish female pundit gives ammo to those who are sexist.
Well, sure, I get what you are trying to say, but the problem there is still those who are sexist, not the female pundits.
When female pundits are introduced it'd be better to chose knowledgeable pundits that can highlight how poor some of the male pundits are.
Female pundits shouldn't be held to a higher standard just because of their gender (pretty sure they already are though), and their purpose should not be to point something out a out their male colleagues.
This way, the debate could focus on what makes a decent pundit rather than the gender of a pundit.
The only thing stopping the debate from this is sexism. Not the quality of the punditry from women.

The idea that a debate on what makes a good pundit can exist only if we eliminate a section of the female pundits feels like it's part of the problem. It's also subjective, so if that's the solution, sexists will always find a reason to keep females out.

A lot of posters here are already debating the quality of pundits without focusing on gender.

I think your post comes from a good place btw, it just seems to focus on the completely wrong side of the problem for me. And some of your suggestions turn it more into a debate on male/female, rather than the quality of punditry.
 

RuskyM

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The notion that pundits need to "have played and know the game" is undermined everytime Paul Scholes opens his mouth.
 

Wearegoingtowintheleague

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Well, sure, I get what you are trying to say, but the problem there is still those who are sexist, not the female pundits.

Female pundits shouldn't be held to a higher standard just because of their gender (pretty sure they already are though), and their purpose should not be to point something out a out their male colleagues.

The only thing stopping the debate from this is sexism. Not the quality of the punditry from women.

The idea that a debate on what makes a good pundit can exist only if we eliminate a section of the female pundits feels like it's part of the problem. It's also subjective, so if that's the solution, sexists will always find a reason to keep females out.

A lot of posters here are already debating the quality of pundits without focusing on gender.

I think your post comes from a good place btw, it just seems to focus on the completely wrong side of the problem for me. And some of your suggestions turn it more into a debate on male/female, rather than the quality of punditry.
Thank you for your response, but you clearly didn't get what I'm saying.

Rather it appears to me you want to open a debate on something I'm not saying.

Rather than get drawn into that, I'll leave my post in hope others better understand the point I was actually making.

I also don't wish to take this thread any further off topic.
 
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teok

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If you (not aimed at anyone specific) didn't like x female pundit but your daughter/granddaughter did, wouldn't you just think "eh fair enough" and move on with your life? I think that is the best way to look at this stuff.

My pet peeve is alan smith on spurs games. :cautious: :mad:
 

easley91

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If you (not aimed at anyone specific) didn't like x female pundit but your daughter/granddaughter did, wouldn't you just think "eh fair enough" and move on with your life? I think that is the best way to look at this stuff.

My pet peeve is anyone on spurs games. :cautious: :mad:
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Wearegoingtowintheleague

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If you (not aimed at anyone specific) didn't like x female pundit but your daughter/granddaughter did, wouldn't you just think "eh fair enough" and move on with your life? I think that is the best way to look at this stuff.

My pet peeve is alan smith on spurs games. :cautious: :mad:
There's one pundit I don't recall his name that so irritates me during games that I have to mute the sound.

My pet peeve is the press conferences and people trying to catch Ange out.

I think for about 3 weeks at the end of the season you had the same question asked in about 20 different ways. Thankfully Ange is engaging as otherwise I wouldnt bother listening to them.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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There's at thread for giving a coating to pundits, it's probably time to take it there now and focus on the persistently hilarious :rolleyes: jokes on the theme of Ange saying 'mate'
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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How long is Ange staying on holiday? I'm a little worried we have not signed anyone yet, or sold anyone - and I assume his final say is the hold-up.

Slacker.
 

mil1lion

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It's not like we didn't go for it against City, we played our strongest available team. We just had a number of injuries and still took a late controversial goal.
It is crazy to think however that Utd have had the better season now. Of course it's the 2nd season for Ten Hag and only the 1st for Ange. Good job we got 5th though.
 

McFlash

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I’m sitting here kicking myself wishing we’d given it a real go in the cups this season.
Same old story every year mind.
Meh, Fulham was early in his tenure and anyone can lose to City.
I don't think it's that we didn't give it a go, we were just unlucky.
 

GutBucket

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I’m sitting here kicking myself wishing we’d given it a real go in the cups this season.
Same old story every year mind.
Draw against City was unlucky and Bissouma, Sarr, Son were on international duty plus Maddison on the bench since he only returned from the injury. Fulham game on the other hand was just terrible on our part.
 

spurs9

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Meh, Fulham was early in his tenure and anyone can lose to City.
I don't think it's that we didn't give it a go, we were just unlucky.
Also, people are acting like Fulham away is an easy game we should have won, yet they smashed us 3-0 in the league.
 
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