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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

G Ron

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Season review - exceeded my expectations.

The great start got everyone onboard and really transformed the atmosphere into one of positivity. The injuries and Afcon derailed us massively, but the latter part of the season with many of our key players returning was hugely disappointing.

Post Christmas we’ve been average and many supporters (myself included) have been frustrated by some of the stubbornness to tweak things (kamikaze high line and set pieces the obvious weaknesses). That said, in the last few games Ange has clearly changed the approach and we look like we have addressed these concerns. Ange is a smart bloke and so I’m hopeful that our set up will be slightly different next season and we’ll be less easy to get at.

A few new signings (of Ange’s choice) and I’m optimistic we will kick on next season.

In the meantime I’m very much looking forward to a Spurs free summer (likely to be spent wasting far too much time following transfer rumours on here!)
 

alfie103

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The thing is it isn't just about money for the club and first team.

Players and managers want to play at the highest level. They want to step out at the Bernabeu against Madrid, they are not too concerned about rocking up at Gresty Road to put Crewe Alexandra to the sword in the possibility of winning the Carabao cup.

It's another disconnect between the the team and the fans, similar to the Man City game.

And just like the City game there is no right or wrong answer, it purely depends which camp you are in and trying to understand it from their point of view.
What we as fans want isn't always aligned with what the players/management team want. And as they are the ones who have dedicated their lives to being able to control that decision we have to accept it (and just moan about it on forums).

I think this is an astonishing attitude. I don't care what the players and management want, they aren't playing for Tottenham for free or doing us a favour by playing for Tottenham. We pay them their (quite lucrative) wages so we should be dictating what they focus on.

If the players are so desperate to play at the highest level, maybe they should have put better performances against Fulham or Chelsea and not just turn up whenever they fancy.
 

DiscoD1882

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Deserves another crack next season but I'm not 100% convinced by him.

As someone else said earlier I think he is being given more slack than some previous coaches because of the first 10 games and the way he speaks in press conferences mate.
He isn’t just changing the style of play. He s changing the culture. It’s all well and good saying you aren’t sure about him. But you can’t start looking for someone else because we didn’t win the league this year. I’m interested to know your expectation at the beginning of the season was?
 

Wheeler Dealer

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He desperately needs to bring in a striker who will hit the ground running. This is his absolute priority and I realise a difficult challenge to pull this off.
 

Albertbarich

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Just to clarify I’m not saying anyone who is 100% behind him is deluded but saying if you’re 100% convinced by him you’re deluding yourself. I’m 100% behind him as I would be with any manager or player at this stage of their spurs career but would it be surprising if he’s not here by the start of 2025/2026 season? Not really.

Also, the other thing Ange has to convince me on is that he can be as successful at this level as he has been at lower levels throughout his career. I think that’s a fair concern to have, especially with the drop in form since Jan time.
I hear you and It wasn't aimed at you. I've seen that phrase used on X.
I'm as convinced about him as I would be about anyone. We could have Pep Guardiola and it would still be full of issues because eof the way the club is run.
I enjoy being positive though so I'm happy to share my enthusiasm about him.
 

Gassin's finest

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There was a documentary on Sky Sports last night about his career thus far. Other than Celtic (because even Brendan Rogers and Martin O'Neill can win the league with Celtic), every team needed a season before things started to click. I still think he needs to adapt more to the Premier League, and has been naive at times, but there's nothing to suggest the same pattern can't emerge here, and we're vastly better next season.
 

E17yid

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I hear you and It wasn't aimed at you. I've seen that phrase used on X.
I'm as convinced about him as I would be about anyone. We could have Pep Guardiola and it would still be full of issues because eof the way the club is run.
I enjoy being positive though so I'm happy to share my enthusiasm about him.
Think most of us, deep down, are positive. Especially when a new season is about to start. Typically we’ll have a few new players and any concerns about the previous season will be long gone and most of us, me included, wil be looking forward to the new season and thinking we can do well.

I’m fully expecting the vast majority on here to be buzzing a week out from our first game of the season.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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Also, the other thing Ange has to convince me on is that he can be as successful at this level as he has been at lower levels throughout his career. I think that’s a fair concern to have, especially with the drop in form since Jan time.
We've had two managers who were very successful at this level and it didn't do us a blind bit of good really, in fact, probably the opposite, (whatever the factors were), If he fails, he'll join an ever lengthening list of those who have. I guess what i'm trying to say is that IMO, if he fails, it won't be because of his lack of experience at this level. All we can do is have faith and meanwhile, I think he's the right guy at the right time so at the very least give this club the reset it so desperately needs.
 

RuskyM

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Deserves another crack next season but I'm not 100% convinced by him.

As someone else said earlier I think he is being given more slack than some previous coaches because of the first 10 games and the way he speaks in press conferences mate.
I would counter that this is a very big part of being a good manager. Like, AVB had a more successful first season than Ange has, but Andre never got the same slack because (for as much as I liked him) he came across as standoffish and cold. I think a lot of the problems Chelsea had with Graham Potter was his post match interviews that made him seem out of his depth, and to give the most obvious example of misjudging tone in recent years, Nathan Jones would've got longer at Southampton if his interviews didn't make him seem a few sprinkles short of a donut. You're selling a dream to the fans, and Ange certainly does that.
 

mattstev2000

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He isn’t just changing the style of play. He s changing the culture. It’s all well and good saying you aren’t sure about him. But you can’t start looking for someone else because we didn’t win the league this year. I’m interested to know your expectation at the beginning of the season was?

Honestly prior to the signings we made I was probably expecting top 6, after we plugged some really obvious holes, particularly in regard to a decent backup centre back and then comparing our squad with those we were competing with then I think top 4 would probably have been par.

Having said that, it's not really about where we finished more the fairly mediocre performances outside of the first 10 games.

For a lot of the season I haven't seen him able to turn round a fairly rudderless ship in terms of on field performances. Also I think the defensive performances generally have been way below the sum of the parts we have in our defenders.

You then get the 'well he needs the players he wants' refrain but you look at it and we've invested a lot in the squad over the past 3-5 years and generally had a very positive response from the fan base to our transfer business since Paratici has been involved.

Personally I think the squad is currently the strongest it's been for a long time (outside of a more reliable goalscorer) and yet the same message is coming out that we got for Jose and Conte - well he can't do it without another 5-6 of his players.

I suppose I'm just wary of another coach that's struggled to turn around mediocre performances for 20-30 odd games and can only succeed with a very select group of players.
 

mattstev2000

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I would counter that this is a very big part of being a good manager. Like, AVB had a more successful first season than Ange has, but Andre never got the same slack because (for as much as I liked him) he came across as standoffish and cold. I think a lot of the problems Chelsea had with Graham Potter was his post match interviews that made him seem out of his depth, and to give the most obvious example of misjudging tone in recent years, Nathan Jones would've got longer at Southampton if his interviews didn't make him seem a few sprinkles short of a donut. You're selling a dream to the fans, and Ange certainly does that.

It's weird because I don't get the connection to a lot of Ange's press conferences that some people do.

Maybe that's why I'm not so convinced by him, I'm not necessarily buying into what he's saying and on field has been somewhat lacklustre for a while.
 

E17yid

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We've had two managers who were very successful at this level and it didn't do us a blind bit of good really, in fact, probably the opposite, (whatever the factors were), If he fails, he'll join an ever lengthening list of those who have. I guess what i'm trying to say is that IMO, if he fails, it won't be because of his lack of experience at this level. All we can do is have faith and meanwhile, I think he's the right guy at the right time so at the very least give this club the reset it so desperately needs.
Yeah that’s fair.
 

RuskyM

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It's weird because I don't get the connection to a lot of Ange's press conferences that some people do.

Maybe that's why I'm not so convinced by him, I'm not necessarily buying into what he's saying and on field has been somewhat lacklustre for a while.
Can I ask if you've felt a connection with how managers or players speak before? Might just be that you're less invested in a figurehead, which is fair.
 

Nerine

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It's weird because I don't get the connection to a lot of Ange's press conferences that some people do.

Maybe that's why I'm not so convinced by him, I'm not necessarily buying into what he's saying and on field has been somewhat lacklustre for a while.

Having noticed a few things you've said in this thread, I feel like this is a you problem rather than an Ange problem.
 

vegassd

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Post Christmas we’ve been average and many supporters (myself included) have been frustrated by some of the stubbornness to tweak things (kamikaze high line and set pieces the obvious weaknesses). That said, in the last few games Ange has clearly changed the approach and we look like we have addressed these concerns. Ange is a smart bloke and so I’m hopeful that our set up will be slightly different next season and we’ll be less easy to get at.
I can certainly see why a lot of people have been frustrated by Ange this season, but to be fair he consistently said that he wanted to drill the fundamentals of his play style into the squad before making any tweaks. That is a process that required time, and thankfully it seems like Ange is happy enough that he started making tweaks like you say.

The mad thing is the number of fans who will have been calling for patience etc. when Ange was brought in, but then casting doubt before the season had even finished. Not saying we should all be getting Ange tattoos or anything, but I think we can accept some stretches of frustration this past season because it's the start of a process.

Most of the footy fans in this country were taking the piss out of Arteta for all his talk of "trust the process" whilst they were sat near the bottom of the table a couple of years back. Poch has been able to turn Chelsea into something of a decent team with a bit of time. There's no guarantee that happens for us of course, but we definitely need to give Ange time.
 

muppetman

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I can certainly see why a lot of people have been frustrated by Ange this season, but to be fair he consistently said that he wanted to drill the fundamentals of his play style into the squad before making any tweaks. That is a process that required time, and thankfully it seems like Ange is happy enough that he started making tweaks like you say.

The mad thing is the number of fans who will have been calling for patience etc. when Ange was brought in, but then casting doubt before the season had even finished. Not saying we should all be getting Ange tattoos or anything, but I think we can accept some stretches of frustration this past season because it's the start of a process.

Most of the footy fans in this country were taking the piss out of Arteta for all his talk of "trust the process" whilst they were sat near the bottom of the table a couple of years back. Poch has been able to turn Chelsea into something of a decent team with a bit of time. There's no guarantee that happens for us of course, but we definitely need to give Ange time.
We should give him time at least partly because there is no real alternative. We've pretty much tried everything else over the last few years. It's why I wonder what those who aren't convinced want to do instead - a proven winner perhaps? :cautious:
 

mattstev2000

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Can I ask if you've felt a connection with how managers or players speak before? Might just be that you're less invested in a figurehead, which is fair.

I find I have a connection to the person speaking if they seem to have a connection to the club. That's why, despite speaking in riddles some times I could always listen to Poch. Conversely I never really listened to Redknapp because he never really seemed to be fully Spurs.

Maybe that's the problem, I don't really get that kind of vibe from Ange yet.
 
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