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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

Bluto Blutarsky

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Not sure where else to put this - but this is simply an insane trip. Glad they are leaving on a good note - but the amount of travel they will do for a nothing appearance is criminal.

 

leray

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We've managed to get 6 more points than last season after losing a player that contributed to almost half of our goals in the previous campaign.

In terms of underlying numbers, we went from a +6 xG differential to a +5 one. Small difference.

We've scored more, but also conceded more.

We've not been as good as the start of the season would suggest, but we've not been as bad as our last few weeks.

We need an upgrade in midfield, especially in terms of physicality which should also help with our set pieces.

With additional Europa games (and plenty of them), we also need lots of depth.

Difficult season ahead of us.
 

olithfc

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Comparing this to pochs first season with us (I’m not talking about the manager poch is now), is there more optimism now or then? Finding it hard to remember back that far
 

beats1

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I think he has had a good first season, the teams around us have been poor but overall good with things to improve on

I do find our fanbase infuriating, the fanbase turns in to a cult when there is a new "messiah", ever since AVB, there's been this attitude to which you can say no wrong of a manager

Ange has been good but imo failed with giving younger players a chance. Arteta played the younger guys and took the hit. Whereas I don't understand why we have been playing players with no future here

We lost 5 of the last 7, it would have been more beneficial and uplifting to see some younger players with the first team and see if we learn anything new
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Comparing this to pochs first season with us (I’m not talking about the manager poch is now), is there more optimism now or then? Finding it hard to remember back that far
I’d say similar tbh.

We had marginally better players back then but a less deep squad.

Both Angev& Poch’s 1st seasons showed flickers of a very bright future and good football, but also a lot of inconsistency.

Poch got us 64pts and 5th, very similar.
 

Oh Teddy Teddy

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Comparing this to pochs first season with us (I’m not talking about the manager poch is now), is there more optimism now or then? Finding it hard to remember back that far

I may be wrong, but I think many were still very 50/50 - even the start of the second season, it didn't seem like it was going swimmingly until we battered City 4-1.
 

stormfly

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Ange has done great with the players he’s had at his disposal. The only way we continue to improve is to keep backing him with the players he needs and maybe even pay big money for game changer players. Over to you Levy.
 

Hotspur33

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I think he has had a good first season, the teams around us have been poor but overall good with things to improve on

I do find our fanbase infuriating, the fanbase turns in to a cult when there is a new "messiah", ever since AVB, there's been this attitude to which you can say no wrong of a manager

Ange has been good but imo failed with giving younger players a chance. Arteta played the younger guys and took the hit. Whereas I don't understand why we have been playing players with no future here

We lost 5 of the last 7, it would have been more beneficial and uplifting to see some younger players with the first team and see if we learn anything new
I think that would be my main criticism of him as well.
This season was almost a free hit, and I think it is clear that the likes of Gil and LoCelso aren’t in his plans.
it would have been nice have given their minutes to Donley as an example.
Having said that, solid first season. Hopefully we can shift the players that are surplus and continue to move forward.
 

spurs9

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Comparing this to pochs first season with us (I’m not talking about the manager poch is now), is there more optimism now or then? Finding it hard to remember back that far
I would say about the same if not slightly optimistic now. When this thread was toxic a couple of weeks back, it pretty mush mirrored the Poch thread at the same time.
 

spurs9

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I think he has had a good first season, the teams around us have been poor but overall good with things to improve on

I do find our fanbase infuriating, the fanbase turns in to a cult when there is a new "messiah", ever since AVB, there's been this attitude to which you can say no wrong of a manager

Ange has been good but imo failed with giving younger players a chance. Arteta played the younger guys and took the hit. Whereas I don't understand why we have been playing players with no future here

We lost 5 of the last 7, it would have been more beneficial and uplifting to see some younger players with the first team and see if we learn anything new
Yeah, I think I agree with this, would have been nice to have seen Donley get a few starts and more meaningful mins off the bench, but other than that, who else should he have played?

I think my biggest disappointment is him ignoring Lo Celso when Maddison was horribly out of form. All in all though, I'm happy with Ange.
 

spurs9

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I think that would be my main criticism of him as well.
This season was almost a free hit, and I think it is clear that the likes of Gil and LoCelso aren’t in his plans.
it would have been nice have given their minutes to Donley as an example.
Having said that, solid first season. Hopefully we can shift the players that are surplus and continue to move forward.
No season is a free hit in the PL.
 

Gassin's finest

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Comparing this to pochs first season with us (I’m not talking about the manager poch is now), is there more optimism now or then? Finding it hard to remember back that far
Pochs. His started iffy then got stronger once he found his team. Also had good runs in the cups and got to the League Cup final. I also remember going to most games at the Lane that season, and you felt something was happening the moment that Mason goal went in against... Forest was it?

Ange started almost too well, but we dropped off drastically and binned off the cups. There's no reason not to be positive considering where we finished in the league, but I dunno. Jury's out a bit for me.
 

Gbspurs

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Pochs. His started iffy then got stronger once he found his team. Also had good runs in the cups and got to the League Cup final. I also remember going to most games at the Lane that season, and you felt something was happening the moment that Mason goal went in against... Forest was it?

Ange started almost too well, but we dropped off drastically and binned off the cups. There's no reason not to be positive considering where we finished in the league, but I dunno. Jury's out a bit for me.
I'm not sure we "binned off" the cups. We lost one on pens against another PL team and the other against Man City who will probably win it.
 

mil1lion

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I think he has had a good first season, the teams around us have been poor but overall good with things to improve on

I do find our fanbase infuriating, the fanbase turns in to a cult when there is a new "messiah", ever since AVB, there's been this attitude to which you can say no wrong of a manager

Ange has been good but imo failed with giving younger players a chance. Arteta played the younger guys and took the hit. Whereas I don't understand why we have been playing players with no future here

We lost 5 of the last 7, it would have been more beneficial and uplifting to see some younger players with the first team and see if we learn anything new
Yeah he's stuck with those has beens like Udogie, VdV, Porro, Sarr, Kulusevski and Johnson.
 

yellowbean

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Comparing this to pochs first season with us (I’m not talking about the manager poch is now), is there more optimism now or then? Finding it hard to remember back that far
A lot of parallels i reckon. Beyond the 5th place finishes we were riddled with inconsistent performances just like we are now. Like this years wins against liverpool and utd we beat 2 of the 'big 6' in chelsea and arsenal in Pochs first year, but followed both results with defeats. We had a decent core of young players but like this year were exposed and took some beatings while we were trying to get to grips with a new coaches tactics, especially the big games (4-1 at city, 3 nil at chelsea and utd). Even that Villa game that Poch felt saved his job was followed by defeat at home to stoke.
I just hope the parallels continue and Ange gets a summer window of similar quality to Pochs second summer where we saw Alli, Toby, Trippier and Sonny join the ranks.
 

KaribYid

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Comparing this to pochs first season with us (I’m not talking about the manager poch is now), is there more optimism now or then? Finding it hard to remember back that far

We never hit the heights (in terms of both style and results) in Poch’s first season that we did at the start of this one.

I’m very optimistic after this season as we see what Ange’s system looks like when we’re firing. We just need to bring in more players to suit so we can see more consistency next season.
 
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