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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

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spurs mental

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I hate myself for still needing to comment on this topic but I'm a fool so here goes

In my view all this is about is the manager is saying we need to prepare to win the war, not the battle

Real bragging rights are winning titles not preventing our rivals. If we focus on the latter we reduce the chances of the former and real tangible outcomes is what we all really want.
That last paragraph has nailed it. Focusing on stopping our rivals rather than our own goals has a touch of the West Hams about it, it reminds me of what Carlton Cole said on tv before we played them when we were in our pomp under Poch, something along the lines of, "I don't care if we lose every other game this season, as long as we stop Spurs from winning". Absolute loser mentality.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Well everyone will be watching Ange's presser closely today which is a good thing, I think he wanted a reaction and more attention from everyone, fans, media etc.

If we can go to Sheff Utd and win and finish the season on a high in 5th with EL with his message ringing loud and clear in our ears and internally at the club then this 1st season has ticked the boxes and we should be much stronger from summer onwards.
 

Blake Griffin

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That last paragraph has nailed it. Focusing on stopping our rivals rather than our own goals has a touch of the West Hams about it, it reminds me of what Carlton Cole said on tv before we played them when we were in our pomp under Poch, something along the lines of, "I don't care if we lose every other game this season, as long as we stop Spurs from winning". Absolute loser mentality.
that is in no way similar.

i agree with ange's overview but he's blown this up into something it didn't need to be. the line about needing to effectively rip everything up and start again is a complete overreaction and palming blame off onto the supporters is not on. it's not the fans' fault we put in a pathetic display at fulham, it wasn't the fans fault we got embarrassed by newcastle, it wasn't the fans fault we found ourselves 3-0 down at home to arsenal and the limp performance at chelsea wasn't on us either.

for the record i love ange and would give him the entirety of his contract regardless of what happens but whilst i like his fire, i don't think that was the smartest play by him the other night.
 

easley91

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So after my last post some time yesterday I decided to take a breather and step back, because I could feel myself being emotionally charged in this discussion. It's obvious that several of us are entrenched in our views re the club and what we wanted out of Tuesday night (myself very much included).

I apologize if anything came across the wrong way or offended anyone. The bottom line for me is that I will always care about Spurs winning more than whatever Arsenal do. And that's not saying I don't care about them at all. I laugh at them failing and come Sunday afternoon I'll laugh my head off if City win the league.

We're all Spurs fans and I've seen sly digs here and there aimed towards those of us wanting to win meaning we don't understand anything/don't understand the derby/aren't "real" fans, when that is very much not the case. I am just in line with Ange when I want the club to solely focus on winning every game, not just the derbies or the "big" games and that is regardless of what it means for our rivals.

Let's just draw a line under it now, focus on Sunday (well I'll be elsewhere) and onto next season.

Back Ange, he is the man for the job.

Up the Spurs.
 
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fishhhandaricecake

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No i haven't, i haven't once said that people who hate Arsenal love Spurs more, you have said that.

you are coming up with a load of tosh here mate, asking me just because i hate losing to Arsenal i ain't bothered about losing to anyone else what sort of rubbish is that?

we'll leave it here.
Yea this isn't really about Ange anymore and probably for another thread now.

Back to our favourite Aussie.
 

spurs mental

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that is in no way similar.

i agree with ange's overview but he's blown this up into something it didn't need to be. the line about needing to effectively rip everything up and start again is a complete overreaction and palming blame off onto the supporters is not on. it's not the fans' fault we put in a pathetic display at fulham, it wasn't the fans fault we got embarrassed by newcastle, it wasn't the fans fault we found ourselves 3-0 down at home to arsenal and the limp performance at chelsea wasn't on us either.

for the record i love ange and would give him the entirety of his contract regardless of what happens but whilst i like his fire, i don't think that was the smartest play by him the other night.
That's not really what I was saying nor was the poster I was replying to was saying either.

He didn't say we need to rip everything up and start again either, he said we need to go back and assess and change the plan a bit.

I also dont think he was really having a go at the fans overall but a handful and in particular the one who was removed, rightly so, for telling Ange to throw the game constantly. He was annoyed after the game, like the rest of us always are after we lose, regardless of who we lose to. Its not an easy thing to do to be grilled by the media shortly after a defeat, when they ask leading questions looking for any morsel of drama. You only have to look at the reaction in a match thread and ratings thread to see how people react to defeat as fans. It's probably as bad when it's your actual job.
 

alfie103

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That last paragraph has nailed it. Focusing on stopping our rivals rather than our own goals has a touch of the West Hams about it, it reminds me of what Carlton Cole said on tv before we played them when we were in our pomp under Poch, something along the lines of, "I don't care if we lose every other game this season, as long as we stop Spurs from winning". Absolute loser mentality.

I can't disagree too much with what you are saying but I really hope Ange is telling Levy the same things. If we see a similar pattern of focussing on the league and not that much attention being paid to the cups or Europa League, then I will lose respect for him.
 

NEVILLEB

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that is in no way similar.

i agree with ange's overview but he's blown this up into something it didn't need to be. the line about needing to effectively rip everything up and start again is a complete overreaction and palming blame off onto the supporters is not on. it's not the fans' fault we put in a pathetic display at fulham, it wasn't the fans fault we got embarrassed by newcastle, it wasn't the fans fault we found ourselves 3-0 down at home to arsenal and the limp performance at chelsea wasn't on us either.

for the record i love ange and would give him the entirety of his contract regardless of what happens but whilst i like his fire, i don't think that was the smartest play by him the other night.
Totally agree

I’ve been singing his praises but i don’t like to see him pointing fingers when we lose. It shows weakness and makes me question if he understands how to fix problems.

I love the attacking football and the aggressive attitude. That’s exactly what we need. But he’s responsible and i expect broad shoulders when things aren’t going well.
 

Now it's Spursonal

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Ange is telling the players the staff and everyone that will listen. THIS is how things need to be, not occasionally or most of the time ALWAYS! he's been telling them that throughout this entire season. Yes it'll take time for them to get to this point but that is the message he has to keep drilling into them. The environment is an important factor in this. It's not just the players that need to believe it, it's the coaches, it's the kit man it's everyone the players come in contact with, and it's the fans on a match day. They have to believe that whatever is happening both leading up to and during a game we can still win it right up until that final whistle. That was set back on Tuesday whether you care to admit it or not. Real winners don't take a day off from trying to win.

Having thought about it, I believe that supporters being so wrapped up in what their club means in terms of identity and local rivalry that they would actually want their team to lose a fotoball match should be celebrated as something important. Not castigated.

I really believe it's one of the last bastions of football actually meaning something authentic. It's about representation, your identity, who you are and where you come from. In the age of half and half scarves, sitting next to vloggers recording the match on their phones, the ticket prices, the horrific commercialisation of the game... hating your neighbourhood rivals so much that you want your own team to lose a match speaks to the core of what is great about football. It is and always has been as much about hate as it is about love.

When I say I hate Arsenal, it's not something I say because I'm a Spurs fan and I'm duty bound. I fucking mean it. I FUCKING DESPISE THEM. If I love Tottenham 100% I hate Arsenal 99.99999. Them not winning isn't as important as us winning, but it's pretty fucking close. I went to a school where every kid in my year apart from me and one other were Scum. They won 2 doubles in that time and we were shit. It was fucking traumatising. My kids are in the same situation now; I can't have them going through that. My dad was there in 71 when they won the league in our stadium. We were both there in 2004 when it happened again. Their fucking parade GOES PAST MY HOUSE. I had to leave the country for a month to get away from them.

Here's your choice: Win this game and Arsenal win the title. Unbridled joy. 'Tottenham Hotspur, you won us the league'. The 7 years we had over them a distant memory. They're back on top, and catapulted back into the big time. Or alternatively, we don't win our game and they win absolutely nothing. It's just a good season where they got a half decent points total. Their fans are completely devastated, heartbroken, pubs in Islington flooded with tears, children in Arsenal's 9th kit release of the year crying into their dad's beret, possibly never to recover, carrying that trauma with them for the rest of their lives. HMMM, TOUGH FUCKING CHOICE THAT IS

And you know what? That's good. Without genuine hatred, football is dead as a sport that means anything about identity and geography and representation. Sanitised to the point of utter meaninglessness. Kids will just support Ronaldo and Mbappe and fuck their local team.

I understand the arguments against it, and particularly Ange's points. They're professionals, it's completely different. He's trying to install a proper mentality which we oh so sorely need -- I support him 100%.

But for supporters hatred is good. Football is built on hate. For something to mean so much that you would want your own team to lose means this sport actually represents something important.

Did I want us to lose to destroy their season and ruin the hopes and dreams of tens of thousands of gooners? You're god damn right I did. FUCK ARSENAL

I think these are two brilliant posts from @thebenjamin and @Trix that everyone should read.

With 100’s of posts made on the topic, I think these are the two poster boy comments made for each side.

I think nearly everyone who reads both comments will almost agree with every point made by both sides and if not then at the very least will very much understand both sides point of view.

With that said, I feel we’re all at the point now that everything that can be said on the topic has likely already been said someone and probably in a better way.

Can we please all just agree to move on from this now?
I’m 100% sure there’s absolutely nothing more to be gained from discussing it.

Ange is a very clever and smart man when it comes to speaking to the media, so I’m sure having had more time and preparation that his press conference today will go along way to soothing over everything anyway.
 

spurs mental

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Totally agree

I’ve been singing his praises but i don’t like to see him pointing fingers when we lose. It shows weakness and makes me question if he understands how to fix problems.

I love the attacking football and the aggressive attitude. That’s exactly what we need. But he’s responsible and i expect broad shoulders when things aren’t going well.
He has generally always shouldered the blame in defeat this season, and when things have gone against us though.

He was asked leading questions the other night and was already on edge over the fan berating him behind the bench, his reaction was that of a normal human being who had a rough day.
 

Metalhead

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Quite looking forward to his press conference. Not from the point of view of expecting any earth shattering revelations or comments but just getting back to business, which is what everyone else seems to be feeling.
 

dontcallme

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I think collectively we’re putting too much emphasis onto 1 game.

We saw at the beginning of the season how Ange wants us to play. It’s a daring style that requires the players to fully buy into in order for it to work.

It’s the managers first season and was always going to be about assessing the players.

We’ve been poor for most of 2024.

Hopefully Ange has identified the players that he needs to get rid of and we buy well in the summer.

The disappointment in our current mentality and how we’ve finished the season really isn’t just about how we played against City.
 

mil1lion

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Not long now until Ange does a presser, says all the right things and everyone goes "oh that makes sense actually, I thought he was calling me a dickhead" and we can move on from this
 

hughy

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Not long now until Ange does a presser, says all the right things and everyone goes "oh that makes sense actually, I thought he was calling me a dickhead" and we can move on from this
"The fans? I don't care. They're all a bunch of ****s mate."
 

spursfast

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Well everyone will be watching Ange's presser closely today which is a good thing, I think he wanted a reaction and more attention from everyone, fans, media etc.

If we can go to Sheff Utd and win and finish the season on a high in 5th with EL with his message ringing loud and clear in our ears and internally at the club then this 1st season has ticked the boxes and we should be much stronger from summer onwards.
this is so important Sheffield, and that's where the fucus is , hope Ange talks about that
 

Norgie

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I haven't really got involved in the debate but for me before the game I was 50/50. Once the game had started I was cheering us on. I didn't want to see us lose.

My take on the rivalries is that Managers/Clubs/Players should think different to that of the fans. If I think about what Pep for example would possibly think his rivals are it would be anyone who could challenge them for the title. So ManU for example at the moment aren't really a rival, the fans however because of the history/location very much see them as a rival. Pep will see Arsenal and Liverpool very much as threat to them and a rival. I don't think Ange cared about who won the title this year, it wasn't going to be us and that is not what he wants and therefore wanted to beat City (as well he should). He wants us up there and seeing ManC/Arsenal and Liverpool as our rivals next year and fighting for the title.

It's about a professional attitude to winning no matter the opposition.
 
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