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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

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I think had top 4 still been in our hands then even the half joking nature of the build up to the Citeh game wouldn't have been a thing.

As it is we lost the game anyway despite playing better than we have since the Villa game so this is all moot.
 

Styopa

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Its being used and blown up to divert attention away from the real issues ...

I don’t think it has been blown up. The reason it’s an issue is because so many of our fans wanted to lose a match. Probably a lot of the same people who will be complaining about us when we’re drawing with Sheffield United after half an hour.

So the same fans who want to moan about the team not winning also wanted us to lose last night. So even if you disagree with him you can see why Ange was frustrated about that, surely?
 

Archibald&Crooks

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Is it actually true about THST or a wind up, there is nothing on their Twitnews account, not sure any previous manager of Celtic needs advice on rivalry. Celtic/Rangers is far deep rooted than Spurs/Arsenal and more violent in the past.
I might be wrong but i'm sure they also said this on Sky Sports News.
 

Styopa

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I think had top 4 still been in our hands then even the half joking nature of the build up to the Citeh game wouldn't have been a thing.

As it is we lost the game anyway despite playing better than we have since the Villa game so this is all moot.

We had a great chance of top four if we had won last night, it’s just that got lost in the Arsenal winning the league narrative.
 

qqq1

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The more I think about it the more I understand Ange's point of view.

He says his job is to build a winning team. He probably thinks staff have been undermining that by joking and not caring about losing. I think he was annoyed all week and the fan reaction probably tipped him over the edge. I think the press conference comments were a mistake but I can understand why he said it.

His comments about bragging rights earlier in the week were 100% correct.
 

IfiHadTheWings

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I don’t think it has been blown up. The reason it’s an issue is because so many of our fans wanted to lose a match. Probably a lot of the same people who will be complaining about us when we’re drawing with Sheffield United after half an hour.

So the same fans who want to moan about the team not winning also wanted us to lose last night. So even if you disagree with him you can see why Ange was frustrated about that, surely?
All fans will be complaining if we are drawing with Sheffield United mate, lets not make out that because some fans wanted a different result on Tuesday that they suddenly cannot complain when we don't win.

the same fans that stayed behind after a 4-1 drubbing against Chelsea are some of the same fans who people are slagging off over Tuesday.
 

CrazyKen

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I understand his frustration. But no matter what, he is one I hope will stay for a long time with us and given the tools he feel he needs to make us progress. Not everything has been perfect this season, but Im confident we’ll be better next season :)
 

Mr Pink

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I don’t think it has been blown up. The reason it’s an issue is because so many of our fans wanted to lose a match. Probably a lot of the same people who will be complaining about us when we’re drawing with Sheffield United after half an hour.

So the same fans who want to moan about the team not winning also wanted us to lose last night. So even if you disagree with him you can see why Ange was frustrated about that, surely?

No, the same people who could of done with seeing more passion in some massive games where it didnt even look like we were bothered in some of them...

Where was the frustration? Yes we saw Agne finally show some at Stamford Bridge but honestly Im finding this all quite strange.

I know a lot of fans who were genuinely torn about the other night before kick off but still were behind the team.

That doesnt mean they actively wanted us to lose but you roll with the fluditity of the game because a draw was a nightmare result.

Of course that was going to affect the atmosphere.
 

Trix

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Yes all 38 games have the same amount of points but at the business end of the season when you have top 4 in your hands and go on your worst winning run in 20 years it sort of does make the difference, momentum in football as you know is a big thing, Aston Villa have been faltering too but we haven't been able to do anything to capitalise, in fact we've found ourselves near enough in relegation form during the "Run in"
The "business end of the season" that's just a footballing cliché. The 3 points in the first game mean exactly the same as the 3 points in the final one.
 

IfiHadTheWings

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Looking at it in other ways, I think it could be read as a disguised shot at Ange myself.
Of course that is what it is, the Trust for me come across as self important helmets a lot of the time but that statement is them saying you seemed shocked by our rivalry lets help you out.

petty and stupid and all its doing is dividing the club further, you can already see it.

the dick waving is underway on both sides.
 

matthew.absurdum

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And not just that mate, Ange also had opportunities to change things about and bizarrely waited until the City game to do it.

It was so obvious to bring VDV in at LB and start Dragusin beside Romero. A change we finally saw deep into the Burnley game after starting Skipp....

But no Royal at Liverpool and Chelsea. Historically really hard grounds for us but games that could of seen us pick up some crucial points.

Starting Kulo over LO Celso in the ten role at Chelsea. So many odd decisions.

I just couldnt understand his selections for the life of me.

I mean ... odds decisions (Skipp at LB, Kulu no.10) are also change? I am not sure why only "VDV at LB and start Dragusin" are the only decision that can be considered to be "change things".
Not all changes must be correct, right?
 

IfiHadTheWings

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The "business end of the season" that's just a footballing cliché. The 3 points in the first game mean exactly the same as the 3 points in the final one.
Correct but the pressures that come with the "run in" do make a difference, losing to a title rival in January and April/May although it is the same 3 points the mental aspect of it in terms of momentum and psychology count for a lot. One loss at the business end and sometimes the wheels can come off, a loss in January can be shrugged off a lot easier.
 

Mr Pink

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I mean ... odds decisions (Skipp at LB, Kulu no.10) are also change? I am not sure why only "VDV at LB and start Dragusin" are the only decision that can be considered to be "change things".
Not all changes must be correct, right?

VDV has played LB at Wolfsburg, Skipp isnt a LB.

VDV looked a lot better than Skipp. Shocker.
 

Trix

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All fans will be complaining if we are drawing with Sheffield United mate, lets not make out that because some fans wanted a different result on Tuesday that they suddenly cannot complain when we don't win.

the same fans that stayed behind after a 4-1 drubbing against Chelsea are some of the same fans who people are slagging off over Tuesday.
Indeed, but if we do lose it, it'll be just as much because we didn't get a result on Tuesday as on Sunday, or any other game we've dropped points in for that matter.

If we had nothing to play for, despite wanting to win every game I'd be far less defensive and more forgiving over Tuesday night. The fact some fans kept calling it a "dead rubber" and inconsequential to our position was just factually wrong. In the same way they say if we fail to get a result on Sunday it's all on the players/Ange where as failing to get a result on Tuesday was well, meh who cares. I think get a result on Sunday and this will all die down a lot faster than it will if we fail to do so.
 

Trix

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Correct but the pressures that come with the "run in" do make a difference, losing to a title rival in January and April/May although it is the same 3 points the mental aspect of it in terms of momentum and psychology count for a lot. One loss at the business end and sometimes the wheels can come off, a loss in January can be shrugged off a lot easier.
Fair enough if that's how you think(I don't), but the mental aspect and psychology of getting points in a game like Tuesday were also massive. There's no doubt it was a different pressure altogether on the players against City due to the atmosphere and build up, and I do wonder how much that played on the mind of for example Sonny who goes through one v one with minutes left in normal time to a position you'd put your house on him scoring. Even that slightest smidgen of doubt due to expectation of the crowd in that moment is possibly the difference between already being in the Europa and not. So many variables over a 38 game season.
 

IfiHadTheWings

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Indeed, but if we do lose it, it'll be just as much because we didn't get a result on Tuesday as on Sunday, or any other game we've dropped points in for that matter.

If we had nothing to play for, despite wanting to win every game I'd be far less defensive and more forgiving over Tuesday night. The fact some fans kept calling it a "dead rubber" and inconsequential to our position was just factually wrong. In the same way they say if we fail to get a result on Sunday it's all on the players/Ange where as failing to get a result on Tuesday was well, meh who cares. I think get a result on Sunday and this will all die down a lot faster than it will if we fail to do so.
Absolutely, as i have said a section of our fanbase made a deal with the devil and we all hope it works out, if not we have egg on our face.

We shouldn't have ever been banking on beating City to keep our top 4 hopes alive and to be fair the players gave it a go but we fell short (shock) the damage was done by the poor form we have been in for far too long.

hopefully we have enough about us to get a draw against probably the second worst side in Premier League history and this nasty week can be consigned to history.
 

Liamyid28

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Jesus Christ Ange had a little moan at some fans wanting city to win after saying all season how great the fans have been, suck it up buttercups!
 
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