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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

E17yid

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The most significant thing about Ange coming to Tottenham is a desire to change the culture, the mentality needed to stick through this period of rebuilding a squad, taking accountability for the choices in recruiting players, to improve the coaching setup, keeping the dickhead that owns us happy, trying to play "the Spurs way", dealing with endless fucking questions about our recent barren period, all whilst trying to forge a relationship with a disenchanted and impatient fanbase.

The level of emotional intelligence, motivation and patience on his part to navigate this in his first season is quite something, more decorated coaches than him have failed here recently and they've also been vocal about certain issues.

He's actually chosen us, he's chosen the task of ripping this shit up and properly rebuilding us in the face of a poison chalice coaching position, he's not here to half arse anything.

That in itself is elite mentality.
I agree with this but to change a culture of a football club or business you don’t start at the fans or customers do you. You work on the inside, change the culture and then that culture change takes effect outside the club/business.

Also, he chose us because we fit what he loves perfectly. He likes ripping up clubs and taking over teams that are underperforming. We were made for each other. Until it all falls apart obviously.
 

Styopa

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Honestly some of the piety on here is laughable.

People deride from Spurs and football different things.

Most of my family are bloody Gooners and I'd die for them a long way before any Spurs supporters.

Some people watch the game piss drunk and to be with their friends and release.

Some are students of the game, some want to win at any cost

Some take it as time to be with their family etc etc.

Long gone are the days where any top Premier league Club can truly call themselves a "Club"

We got rid of Jose and Conte because it wasn't all about winning.

I understand Ange and his winning mentality I wouldn't want it any other way but surely he can understand that it's not all about him.

Let people derive pleasure however they wish to (without harm to others of course) from Spurs and from the beautiful game however they wish to.

Agree people should think whatever they want to think but fans can also be wrong. It’s surely ok if the manager and other fans call them out?

The way we figure things out is we throw an idea about and argue about it and the best ideas survive and the weakest perish. If we all become so sensitive that we can’t handle any criticism we are going to end up with some terrible ideas.
 

only1waddle

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I agree with this but to change a culture of a football club or business you don’t start at the fans or customers do you. You work on the inside, change the culture and then that culture change takes effect outside the club/business.

Also, he chose us because we fit what he loves perfectly. He likes ripping up clubs and taking over teams that are underperforming. We were made for each other. Until it all falls apart obviously.

He didn't come in and start on the fans though, this is the first time and he was obviously amazed that some of our fans were happy to support city before a ball had been kicked,.
I'd also challenge any coach, or person, to not be absolutely fucked off with that fan shouting at him, I'm certain that annoyance was still present in his press conference.
 

Danny1

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Problem is he didn't really say much, was very vague and gave half answers.

it wasn't necessary, regardless if the sentiment was right or wrong he'll probably end up walking it back a bit as you either say what you think in plain terms or you risk alienating parts of the fanbase which never ends well (unless you are winning)

The thing is that Ange is a winner. He has won everywhere he has been:

Celtic - 5 trophies
Yokohama - 1 trophy
Brisbane Roar - 2 trophies
South Melbourne - 3 trophies
Australia - 1 trophy
Australia U20 - 3 trophies
Australia U17 - 3 trophies

He is no different to Conte or Mourinho in that he is fiercely competitive. Ok he hasn't done it in the very top leagues however he has won every single place he has been.

He has a very distinct way of playing, one that he (rightly) believes will end with success. Does he want some absolute numpty in the crowd shouting about throwing a game, of course bloody not and to someone who is as ambitious as him probably takes it as an insult and will rightfully have a pop back.

We have had years of different managers telling us that we need to do something different and instill a different mentality, yet when someone actually says it with a bit of determination and anger, a lot of our fans get their knickers in a twist about it.

We have won the sum total of F/A by chopping & changing managers. Now is the time to give this guy the keys and let him run with it. It is no bloody coincidence that the top 3 teams in this league have the 3 longest current serving managers in the league. With time, Ange will make us into an incredible side, we just have to ride the highs & the lows together and support him all the way, as I can pretty much guarantee that without him there will be far less highs.
 

Nerine

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I think a lot of fans are getting offended over nothing, personally.
People are reading into the situation and twisting the narrative as always. Especially the fucking dumb plebs on Twitter.
He didn’t specifically dig the fans out in his press conference. To claim he did is folly.
 

nav007_2000

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definitely seen a few tweaks in Ange’s tactics over the last few weeks. Corners is one and yesterday the high line was push backed. Ange is learning the way premier league is and hopefully next season he will adapt even further. Rome wasn’t built in a day.
Get rid of the players that won’t work in his system and improve the front 3
 

E17yid

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He didn't come in and start on the fans though, this is the first time and he was obviously amazed that some of our fans were happy to support city before a ball had been kicked,.
I'd also challenge any coach, or person, to not be absolutely fucked off with that fan shouting at him, I'm certain that annoyance was still present in his press conference.
Yeah that guy was clearly a tool. I don’t know if he was drunk or something but no excuse. But again, he probably should’ve just called out some individuals rather than the entire fan base.

From what I can see the vast majority of people that wanted us to lose in the stadium were just quiet. You could hear that chatting sound in the stadium. There’s nothing wrong with that just like, in a normal game, there’s nothing wrong with groaning when you miss an open goal. It’s natural.

People need to acknowledge that we are really not signicsntly different to any other fan base of a similar size. This narrative that we are different is complete bollocks and needs to be called out as imo, it’s not even a matter of opinion. Its fact.
 

IfiHadTheWings

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The thing is that Ange is a winner. He has won everywhere he has been:

Celtic - 5 trophies
Yokohama - 1 trophy
Brisbane Roar - 2 trophies
South Melbourne - 3 trophies
Australia - 1 trophy
Australia U20 - 3 trophies
Australia U17 - 3 trophies

He is no different to Conte or Mourinho in that he is fiercely competitive. Ok he hasn't done it in the very top leagues however he has won every single place he has been.

He has a very distinct way of playing, one that he (rightly) believes will end with success. Does he want some absolute numpty in the crowd shouting about throwing a game, of course bloody not and to someone who is as ambitious as him probably takes it as an insult and will rightfully have a pop back.

We have had years of different managers telling us that we need to do something different and instill a different mentality, yet when someone actually says it with a bit of determination and anger, a lot of our fans get their knickers in a twist about it.

We have won the sum total of F/A by chopping & changing managers. Now is the time to give this guy the keys and let him run with it. It is no bloody coincidence that the top 3 teams in this league have the 3 longest current serving managers in the league. With time, Ange will make us into an incredible side, we just have to ride the highs & the lows together and support him all the way, as I can pretty much guarantee that without him there will be far less highs.
I'm all in on Ange.

my observation was how he went about addressing his issue.
 

Styopa

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People need to acknowledge that we are really not signicsntly different to any other fan base of a similar size. This narrative that we are different is complete bollocks and needs to be called out as imo, it’s not even a matter of opinion. Its fact.

I mainly agree with this, except we are in the fairly unique position of being a big and successful club and not winning a league or even a major trophy for about thirty years. We’ve won two league cups.

Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool have all won multiple trophies in that period. Even Man U during their terrible phase have won more.

So I think it does put us in a bit of a different position as a fanbase.
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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I am sure this will all blow over during the summer.

But, I do think its a bit ironic that Ange would lash out at the fans - when, had the team simply beaten Arsenal at home a couple of weeks ago - none of the fans would have been in that situation of having to make a choice. We would have had 4th place in our control, and Arsenal would already have been dealt a death blow to their title chances.
 

jpascavitz

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I think a lot of fans are getting offended over nothing, personally.
People are reading into the situation and twisting the narrative as always. Especially the fucking dumb plebs on Twitter.
He didn’t specifically dig the fans out in his press conference. To claim he did is folly.

Totally agreed. Everyone's obviously entitled to their opinions in their own right, but can't help feel in this day in age everything is still connected to social media and that instant gratification. I have no idea why I still log in to Twitter a few times a day. I obviously crave Spurs news but then find myself reading a few stupid tweets and logging out.

To be completely objective about Ange, there were a lot of people singing he's better than Poch 5 matches in, and there's some of those same supporters that are calling for his head now - it just feels that the patience needed today isn't there as a society.

When you forget the highs/lows of the campaign, Ange has always been consistent in good/bad performances saying that they are building towards the future, which I'm excited to see how the next two seasons go!
 

thelak

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The thing is that Ange is a winner. He has won everywhere he has been:

Celtic - 5 trophies
Yokohama - 1 trophy
Brisbane Roar - 2 trophies
South Melbourne - 3 trophies
Australia - 1 trophy
Australia U20 - 3 trophies
Australia U17 - 3 trophies

He is no different to Conte or Mourinho in that he is fiercely competitive. Ok he hasn't done it in the very top leagues however he has won every single place he has been.

He has a very distinct way of playing, one that he (rightly) believes will end with success. Does he want some absolute numpty in the crowd shouting about throwing a game, of course bloody not and to someone who is as ambitious as him probably takes it as an insult and will rightfully have a pop back.

We have had years of different managers telling us that we need to do something different and instill a different mentality, yet when someone actually says it with a bit of determination and anger, a lot of our fans get their knickers in a twist about it.

We have won the sum total of F/A by chopping & changing managers. Now is the time to give this guy the keys and let him run with it. It is no bloody coincidence that the top 3 teams in this league have the 3 longest current serving managers in the league. With time, Ange will make us into an incredible side, we just have to ride the highs & the lows together and support him all the way, as I can pretty much guarantee that without him there will be far less highs.
I totally agree with a lot of this

but I think the issue is until now he hasn’t shown this type of attitude and has been passive aggressive to journos questioning top 4, why we can’t defend set pieces, why we’ve won once away in 24, why we’ve gone out of the cups so early, why we’ve lost 4/5 coming into this game

So feels like he’s focusing on this one game/ situation but not the pretty dire run that is ultimately his responsibility too and provides quite a lot context and backdrop
 

jurgen11

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he wanted to beat City , so did I , the team needed the 12th man and there were some cheering city , doing the Posnan etc - no wonder he was pissed off,,,there's definitely green shoots there...roll on next season
 

E17yid

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I mainly agree with this, except we are in the fairly unique position of being a big and successful club and not winning a league or even a major trophy for about thirty years. We’ve won two league cups.

Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool have all won multiple trophies in that period. Even Man U during their terrible phase have won more.

So I think it does put us in a bit of a different position as a fanbase.
Yeah it puts us in a slightly different position but do you really think Chelsea or UTD fans care about the Ferguson or Mourinho glory days? Why have UTD lost their winning mentality, did they just wake up one days andit was gone?

This is why people saying we have some weird problem specific to us is complete horse shit, put any set of fans in the same situation as us they’d be acting in very similar ways that groups in our own fan base has been acting, why? Because we’re all human.

This is why it’s also BS to be taking about changing fans mindsets/culture. Its fucking easy, or, the treatment for it is easy, you win football matches. The hard bit is winning football matches and guess who has little to no control over that? Fans. Where should that process begin? Internally.
 

piedpiper

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You’d be OK with Arsenal winning the league as long as we didn’t help!? That makes zero sense - we aided them winning the league by drawing with them at the emirates and losing to them last month. How could you possibly be OK with us losing to City to end our chances of CL and then arsenal winning the league anyway!? Surely that’s the worst of both worlds…
We have zero chance of influencing their other games. Based on how we've played since November even post the Injuries, its clear to me We are not ready for the CL we'd be out of it quickly and our PL form will suffer. For the first time ever I'm happy with the EL I've accepted that fate after that Fulham result.
 

npearl4spurs

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Let's finish strong next week and keep building. He says we don't need CL to get the players we want to recruit so let's go out and prove that. Feels there is a lot riding on this window to hit on at least 4 quality additions. But I trust we'll have a lot to sing about next year, and I think our goal next season is to truthfully compete on all 4 fronts. Can't do anything about the draws in the cups but I'm hoping we at least move to the quarterfinals of all three cup competitions next season and make another run at 4th in the PL or higher (3rd may be a reasonable goal with the changes at Pool).
 

rossdapep

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I'm out now for the summer, just gonna focus on Brazilian football/scouting and will pop into the scouting thread if I see players I think we should be looking at.

Excited to see where Ange can take us and if he can shift our mentality.

He was not my first choice, I wanted Gallardo then Nagelsmann, followed by Slot.

But now he has been here for almost a year, I think his mindset could be the bigger factor and believe he is actually the right man.

Hope he can do it and finnally turn us into a team that wins and does not roll over.

Whatever it takes
 
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