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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

Ange In or Ange Out?

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Styopa

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Jan 19, 2014
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Would qualifying for the Champions League this year see us really progress that much? It hasn't over the last 4-5 years.

Qualifying for the Champions League for one year probably doesn’t make that much difference. But becoming the sort of club which regularly doesn’t qualify for the Champions League does make a difference.

We have qualified for the Champions League just once in the last five years. Being out of the Champions League has definitely not helped us.
 

Rout-Ledge

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my understanding is that if they win the FA cup then they get Europa League and the team in fifth also gets Europa league. If they don’t then the team in 6th gets Europa league.
 

muppetman

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Jul 29, 2011
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Thought they’re was only two camps on this debate, but turns out there was three.

1. People who wanted us to win.

2. People who begrudgingly wanted us to lose.

3. People who enjoyed watching us lose.


Personally still think the debate between the first two groups is perfectly reasonable and can understand both sides.

But the people in group 3 that actually enjoyed watching that match I can’t understand at all.

Was sick to my stomach watching that match. As much as I’ve hated watching a game in my life I’d say.
I was "happy" with options 1 and 2, but option 3 seems a bit weird, but to each their own.
 

alfie103

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Jun 4, 2005
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Who knows mate, I'm just on the side of the fence rhat want to go as high as possible.

I'm also on the side of the fence that 5th has been a pretty good season overall too, considering last year's league efforts too

Yeah I agree, I think most people would have taken 5th if they were offered it at the start of the year.
 

Mr Pink

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Aug 25, 2010
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If only you knew pal, honestly though, I get the silver lining side of things, I really do.

I'm just on the side that I don't really care much about rivals, so seeing thr fanbase focus a lot on rivals instead of us, didn't sit well - just a difference of opinion is all

I wanted us to win. Always us first, always.

But Im just not as gutted as Id nornally be, thats the only way to describe it from my opinion.

The rivalry does run deep and its impossible to just shut that out in terns of the wider picture last night.

That does not mean its more important than us winning, it isnt , but nor should it be meaningless (the word Ange used)

The rivalry isn't meaningless, its very real and to knock fans who are deeply connected/affected by the rivalry is just wrong.

I respect your stance just as much as mine.

No one is wrong here apart from the mug behind the dug out.

But lets have it right, lets not pretend that the rivalry is meaningless in the grand scheme of things, it isnt.

It runs deep and of course it was going to produce a strange comprehension from the fans.

That does not mean we have a small time mentality
 

felmani26

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Jan 1, 2008
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End of the season can't come soon enough!

Let's draw a line under this, agree to disagree and look to supporting Ange with the remit of remodelling this squad as he sees fit.

All this infighting serves no purpose.
 

Styopa

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Imagine it was relegation or Arsenal winning the league? We would probably encounter the same nonsense

I think there would be fans wanting us to get relegated. It would be the same kind of logic: Arsenal will be singing about this for twenty years whereas if we get relegated we’ll probably get promoted next season anyway.
 

SirHarryHotspur

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So potentially spursy then
Yes very , could get even worse, Chelsea win next two and we lose in Sheffield (Mcburnie headers from corners) means Chelsea will finish above us , just think of all the mickey taking on social media channels, fortunately something I don't participate in.
 

bubble07

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What goes around comes around. I remember very clearly arsenal fans saying they would rather lose the europa final if it meant spurs lost the CL final 4 days ago

Wish the media would pick that up
 

jakuba

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I don't remember that same level of hype over Arsenal fans not wanting us to win the CL. The fact that we are not at their level is undeniable and I think that's why it feels like we are always the 'spoiler'.
That’s because they didn’t have a means by which to directly influence it.

Last night was a lose-lose for us that won’t happen to another team in 100 years and was engineered by Sky re-arranging the game to Tuesday when they could have used any other free week before. We win or draw and hand Arsenal the title for what could be no benefit of our own should Villa win on the weekend - or we lose and every fan around the land gets the chance to poke us for “caring more about our rivals than our own club” ultimately in a year nobody will remember last night and definitely won’t in 10 years. But had we won be sure there’d still be songs about it in 50.

I wouldn’t say many fans were happy last night but I’d say a lot were relieved it was over. I don’t mind Ange saying what he did, I think professional players and coaches will be more competitive than we can imagine -which is what we want from them. But we as fans can and will see situations like last night slightly differently, and it’s not something I’ll be in a hurry to repeat or to remember.
 

mil1lion

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May 7, 2004
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Its nothing about qualifying for CL. It's about building an attitude to want to win every game. To finish a high as possible and win titles. That's what Ange wants to build. The fans are fragile because we've failed over the years and now we're back to worrying about what arsenal are doing because they're challenging above us. Ange doesn't give a shit about what others are doing and he's right. However years of failure for the fans is a lot harder to do that for many fans. We just have to trust the process , hopefully things will get back on the up again after a summer window and the league starting from scratch again. Please don't drive Ange away because then the cycle just continues over and over.
 

Yid-ol

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Jan 16, 2006
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We literally still had the chance to qualify for the champions league. If that's not something to play for then I don't know what is.

The players could have made it so much easier on themselves to qualify by playing like they did last night in the last 6 games (or more).

Players have it a go last night, but we miss a striker or at least someone who can score regularly. We got beat by city, it sucks, but we lost 4th spot ages ago, it was just a slim chance still. Even if villa don't win their last game now, it's not a case of look we could have done it, as they will now be switched off from the pressure also.

First season for Ange, lost half the team for a good chunk of it also. We need a few new players in and we go again next season. Hopefully with players fit enough to play that style all season and not as many injuries (plus subs he trusts to play)
 

E17yid

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Jan 21, 2013
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Absolutely, but we've had fans booing the team at half time because we aren't winning. As a match going fan, I support anyone's right to support how they choose, they spend their money and can do what they like, but there's no way it's healthy.

I also think the fact that so many people on here have zeroed in on his comments and made it all about the fans when what he said was around issues inside and outside of the football club, is exactly the fragility I'm talking about. For all we know he could be talking about Levy, pundits and Bentancur, but loads seem to have decided he's attacking them personally - all a bit weird.
I agree which is why his comments weren’t the best. Not because he was wrong (though my interpretation of it I would say I disagree with him) but because they weren’t thought through and came from an emotive place and one of frustration. He should clarify what he meant really as he was deliberately vague so no surprise fans are jumping on certain bits.
 
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