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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

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Spurs_1981

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Spurs fans getting grief, but no one in the media had issues when actual players were saying they wanted Leicester to win the league before playing against them in 15/16.

My opinion was that it was disgraceful some of the comments by opposition players and managers during that run in.

So for me the question was can I as a supporter be better than that?

I don't blame a single fan for wanting Arsenal to fail, I did too. But the celebrating and the glee whilst Spurs were losing was a little too far for me.

I think anyone suggesting that fans are the problem at Spurs is too far, we have incredible supporters and for my money the best away fans in the league. However, fans are the lifeblood of every club and what I saw over the last couple of days wasn't it in my opinion. The manager and players deserved more
 

Dunc2610

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Which is fine but I find it weird for a fan to dismiss rivalries and the histories that go with it.
I'm not dismissing the rivalry! I'd rather Tottenham did better so this situation wasn't even relevant! I don't want arsenal to win the league, but my want for the team to win at any given opportunity surpasses that.
 

Oh Teddy Teddy

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I love ange but the biggest fragility of the club is our defensive setup and set piece issue, the fans might have some issues and i've been vocal about it before but Ange has more going wrong then we do atm

Maybe.

Its not the fans who built them though, is it?

Lets be honest here, if the owers actually behaved more like a big Club (they do in charging the fans) we'd all be having very different conversations.

Again, and with massive respect for both your views, my own reading of his comments is not that he's disagreeing with any of this. He's not singled out the fans – though I agree his frustration probably stems from the lack of support – but the lack of unity last night, the lack of support, which is a direct consequence of years of fragility that runs from the very top.

It has nothing to do with his tactics, those aren't the foundations of a club, and he will know where he needs to improve – but if it's going to work out, he needs to change the club's culture and mentality, and he's realised the true extent of that.

I do see it as a positive if we're prepared to get behind the guy tbh. Conte said as much (though clearly wasn't committed to staying), and Ange has had his Conte moment; difference is I firmly believe he wants to be here to make it happen.
 

parj

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The fans mentality will change when the club does something to force that.
We are the product of 2 decades of winning next to fuck all. No fanbase of a club that wins buggar all has a 'winners mentality'... it's a side effect of actually winning.

And just to be clear here the fans mentality has zero effect on the teams output. That comes from the owner, the structure of the club, the manager, the coaches, and of course the players.

Give us something tangible to actually celebrate and we'll change.
Exactly this. And don't people remember the crowd had been behind Ange all season. The only time the atmosphere dies is when it's clear the team effort has fallen off a cliff.

Also not much to get excited about when the football is fairly predictable. So predictable that teams with half a line up missing can still get a win.

I love what he is trying to do but there needs to be some self reflection. Maybe him and the team need to do more to show their passion.
 

Real_madyidd

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I don't have problem with last night at all, from what I have seen. The players tried and were professional, the fans gave local rivals some stick. All good.

We didn't have to play so badly in other games this season, and that is where I have a problem- in those games we didn't try hard enough.
 

dontcallme

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I'm not dismissing the rivalry! I'd rather Tottenham did better so this situation wasn't even relevant! I don't want arsenal to win the league, but my want for the team to win at any given opportunity surpasses that.
Wanting us to get 3 points that probably won’t benefit us and hands our most hated rival the title over losing one game is the perfect example of a Pyrrhic victory.

 

muppetman

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Maybe but normally these things track the results or the direction of the club. This is why I find the whole talk of fan mentality totally laughable. If Ange is honest and he makes a list of all the things that need to change then he sorts them out in terms of priority fan feeling is way down there. It’s driven by results on the pitch. He knows this as it’s the same anywhere you go in the world.
Absolutely, but we've had fans booing the team at half time because we aren't winning. As a match going fan, I support anyone's right to support how they choose, they spend their money and can do what they like, but there's no way it's healthy.

I also think the fact that so many people on here have zeroed in on his comments and made it all about the fans when what he said was around issues inside and outside of the football club, is exactly the fragility I'm talking about. For all we know he could be talking about Levy, pundits and Bentancur, but loads seem to have decided he's attacking them personally - all a bit weird.
 

DanielJohnCosta

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Again, and with massive respect for both your views, my own reading of his comments is not that he's disagreeing with any of this. He's not singled out the fans – though I agree his frustration probably stems from the lack of support – but the lack of unity last night, the lack of support, which is a direct consequence of years of fragility that runs from the very top.

It has nothing to do with his tactics, those aren't the foundations of a club, and he will know where he needs to improve – but if it's going to work out, he needs to change the club's culture and mentality, and he's realised the true extent of that.

I do see it as a positive if we're prepared to get behind the guy tbh. Conte said as much (though clearly wasn't committed to staying), and Ange has had his Conte moment; difference is I firmly believe he wants to be here to make it happen.
tbh who knows, I took it as disrespect to the fans but I mean he might not have meant it. Let's see!!!!
 

Trix

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Let’s face it City are irrelevant really, they win it every year by cheating, if they were playing a team to assist Liverpool win the league in front of fans for 30+ years may have seen something completely different.
There's always a "yeah but" though isn't there. The fans don't want to take any part of the blame but I look at the "what other fans think of us" thread and and shake my head at how every other fan base see's us as a team they dislike immensely.

Leicester, Newcastle, Forrest, Villa, City, United, and I could go on and on. None of these share a local rivalry with us, none of them even have a recent playing rivalry of any length of time so why is that. Whenever the question is asked in there someone will pipe up with "Oh they have never gotten over us beating them in 1956 or some such twaddle. It's the same with punditry yeah of course a percentage that are going to be bias, but theres not a pundit out there who doesn't get slagged off because "he hates us doesn't he". There's a reason why we are disliked as a fan base and it's nothing to do with a Sky Sports vendetta or the Rumbelows cup 5th round second leg replay. That needs to sink in, and we need to change it somehow because it doesn't help the team. As a fan base we can't take criticism, It's always someone else's fault, and if it isn't it a case of yeah but such and such is worse.

And whilst every team has it's idiots, no not every team is the same because every team isn't thought of the same as we are by everyone else. We all need to get behind the team through think and thin whatever the circumstances when it comes to match days because if we don't we'll still be having these same discussions in 10 years time with yet another different manager and another completely different playing squad.
 

PCozzie

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I'm with Ange, with one caveat.

First the caveat. Though he has bought into the club, he can't properly know the depth of feeling from us towards Arsenal. With a few exceptions recently our seasons most often end with our only hope being that 'that lot' don't win a trophy. That's ingrained and honestly held.

However, this is firmly in the category of what Ange might call 'shit I want rid of' at the club. Inside and out.

His professional reputation is on the line when the narrative of us chucking the game has been allowed to set root in the media. Anyone who watched the game cannot say he didn't set that team up to win, and that the team did nothing but try to win.

Then he gets morons in the crowd telling him to throw it, Son's miss, the late pen and Spurs fans doing the Poznan and it's no wonder he's royally fucked off with it. We as a club, and him by extension, are the butt of everyone's jokes today and he knew it. He might have been a bit more tactful in the after match press conference but I can't blame him for how he came across.
 
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Yiddo100

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Good lord, with a game like that with the unique circumstances I can see both side of the argument, think a lot more is being made out of this than needed to be.
 

Styopa

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I think this is a big opportunity for Ange.

My understanding is this year no CL teams move into the EL when they get knocked out.

Our performance in the EL will be a good sign of whether we are developing this “winning mentality “ everyone is so obsessed with.

Agree in theory but the during the last ten years we have been knocked out by D Zagreb, KAA Gent, B Dortmund, Fiorentina, Benfica and Basel. That’s not exactly a roll call of Champions League big boys.

I understand the logic of us having a better chance in the Europa than Champions League but there’s not much recent evidence to support that idea.
 

BehindEnemyLines

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The way I see it...... Last night we were playing the best team in the league, which means the previous five matches were eminently more winnable, and would have left us a gnats chuff away from champions league...... We lost 5 out of 6, and largely due to Ange's stubborn determination not to change his tactics or address the very obvious issue with set pieces..... If he wants to whinge about shit mentality, then he need only look at himself across those six matches.
Don't get me wrong, I love Ange, and he's taking us in the right direction, but he really needs to stop being such a cuckold minge womble. :cautious: :shifty:
 

tubbygold

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He Doesn’t want to fight for fourth place which he has said on numerous occasions.
It’s not a trophy. We used to take the piss out of Arsenal for that mentality.
Top four is meaningless to him, he wants to be top which is where inside and outside the club needs to change.
He doesn’t care about fourth placed because there’s no trophy, and as such the spot in itself is meaningless in the purpose of instilling a winning mentality.

Case in point, we’ve won a 2nd and 3rd and 4th the past 15 years, and even got in a champions league final. None of it matters, as we didn’t take the last step to gain the trophy. Isn’t that what both we, the media and rival fans have been talking about all these years?

That does NOT mean the individual game is meaningless to him. Every single game means the world to him, as that too is part of having a winning mentality. Winners don’t like losing. He understands the process though, and is doing his best to guide us through it.
 

Jamturk

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I think this is mainly what it comes down to, but I think it’s wishful thinking. We have twenty years of evidence which suggests otherwise but we always go into the Europa assuming we’ll win it.

Truth is we haven’t even got past the quarters and usually we go out even before then.

Because of all these "Winners" that have spouted their "Disgust" on this board at us even having the temerity to put out a team in the competition in the 1st place.
 

muppetman

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Ooh you're weird!

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dontcallme

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Agree in theory but the during the last ten years we have been knocked out by D Zagreb, KAA Gent, B Dortmund, Fiorentina, Benfica and Basel. That’s not exactly a roll call of Champions League big boys.

I understand the logic of us having a better chance in the Europa than Champions League but there’s not much recent evidence to support that idea.
I didn’t say we have a better chance. Just saying that this is a good opportunity to show we can develop this fabled winning mentality into competing in the EL.

Something we’ve struggled to do in the past.
 
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