Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[ginola99]

Sickened.

It's actually embarrassing seeing fans have a go at a man trying to change what is a LOSER'S CULTURE at the club. And going by some of the fan behaviour at the game and posts on here last night some are willing to fight him to keep it!! I don't care how much you pay to watch the team, it's pathetic, what he is doing putting a mirror in front of you and doesn't care if you cry like a baby when he does.

I saw a post on YouTube saying they get the feeling Ange will walk, and going by last night I wouldn't blame him if he did. I had mixed feelings before the game and of course don't want Arsenal to win the league but you have to focus on your own trophy count, not bitterly hope others don't add to theirs. There is reason why we're laughing stock, we're a 'big six club' and have won just one league cup in 25 years.

Ange knew he had his work cut despite 'loving a challenge' but he is now angry and realises he is going to have drag this club kicking and screaming to success.

 

[Shanks]

I'll be honest I expected more from a good number of quality posters who usually display decent knowledge of the game. I don't always agree with some of what they say, but I do generally respect it. It's however become abundantly clear over the last 48 hours or so some of them have no idea whatsoever of what it means or entails to be at the top end of competitive sport.

Absolutely 100% agree.

Genuinely staggering to see

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

I do wonder of he's seen some player's or even coach's attitude this week and felt he's got it even tougher because they don't share his mentality.

Can you imagine if Ange had a squad of players with his mentality?

We would be a very very tough team

I think it might even be higher in the club. Bring it on Ange

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

And proving Ange right. So very, very fragile.

So sorry we have to create our own happinesss because the club isn’t doing it for us

 

[tom4s]

Focusing more on a rival than on your own club is the epitome of small club mentality if you ask me. I just want us to do our very best in each match we play and to see progress over the long term.

 

[Shanks]

Always put Spurs first. Always.

But you're saying some of us fans cant enjoy the massive silver lining of most probably denying them the title last night

I didnt see anyone cheering for City last night, just a few songs aimed at Arsenal's expense. And I was with huge section of guys that go every away game.

No idea whats so wrong with that.

Most of us were subdued given the strange and unqiue circumstances, but no one was actively cheering City.

When they were 1 up, a few were singing take youre time to Ederson at goal kicks but that was more banter.

Everyone was behind the team it was just most wernt going to be as gutted by defeat as they would normally. Its a very, very rare and odd occassion that may never come around again.

I dont think that makes anyone less of a fan nor do I think it has bearing on our long tern mentality as a Club.

There's a whole host of other factors that need addressing before looking at the fans.

How the Club is run from top to bottom for a start.

There was no 12th man last night, stadium was dead, not willing us to score (it helps you know).

Celebrating the man city celebration after the game. Ange himself being told by our fans to throw the game.

Thr posts in here are enough.

I agree, losing the game and a CL spot did have a silver lining which I understand, but actually debating that and half the fan base wanting that (as even the poll here suggests) isn't as light as you make out dude

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

So sorry we have to create our own happinesss because the club isn’t doing it for us

I mean I don't disagree with you, but wouldn't you say this is almost the definition of a club with 'fragile foundations'...

 

[Styopa]

Always put Spurs first. Always.

But you're saying some of us fans cant enjoy the massive silver lining of most probably denying them the title last night

I didnt see anyone cheering for City last night, just a few songs aimed at Arsenal's expense. And I was with huge section of guys that go every away game.

No idea whats so wrong with that.

Most of us were subdued given the strange and unqiue circumstances, but no one was actively cheering City.

When they were 1 up, a few were singing take youre time to Ederson at goal kicks but that was more banter.

Everyone was behind the team it was just most wernt going to be as gutted by defeat as they would normally. Its a very, very rare and odd occassion that may never come around again.

I dont think that makes anyone less of a fan.

I think the silver lining is fine. It’s great, even though Man C haven’t won the league yet.

But many, maybe half of all fans, went into last night’s match wanting to lose. It’s not like they thought ok if we lose at least there’s an upside to that. They wanted to lose from the start. I wasn’t at the stadium so maybe it was different there but about half of all fans on here seemed to want to lose before the match kicked off.

I don’t like people being accused of being less of a fan. We’re all Spurs fans here. But I completely understand why Ange was frustrated by the attitude of many of our fans to this match.

 

[Mr Pink]

There was no 12th man last night, stadium was dead, not willing us to score (it helps you know).

Celebrating the man city celebration after the game. Ange himself being told by our fans to throw the game.

Thr posts in here are enough.

I agree, losing the game and a CL spot did have a silver lining which I understand, but actually debating that and half the fan base wanting that (as even the poll here suggests) isn't as light as you make out dude

Its my opinion and Im entitled to it....dude.

And one wanker saying we should throw the game is not representative of the fans.

Fucking hell lol.

 

[Dave1882]

I'll be honest I expected more from a good number of quality posters who usually display decent knowledge of the game. I don't always agree with some of what they say, but it's become abundantly clear over the last 48 hours or so some of them have no idea whatsoever of what it means or entails to be at the top end of competitive sport.

Mate that’s hyperbole from you, and I love your insight and agree with you normally.
It’s a one off game, chances of CL were slim at best.
You know the hate runs deep. You know how goons are unbearable when they’re winning, especially when we’re involved
You’re being as stubborn as Ange in your views and rationale. Sometimes you need to look and listen at others and accept perhaps you’re not 100% correct.
Fans wanting to lose a game, that otherwise would crown are arch enemies champions. Has no correlation or bearing on us wanting a winning/competitive team from this point forward (or at any point previously)

 

[Trix]

I didn't watch the entire game on Sunday but I assume the old Trafford faithful stood in their dilapidated stadium, piss wet through cheering Arsenal on? I also assume they were all delighted and over joyed when they lost the game because it dented city's title hopes?

 

[hop22]

Focusing more on a rival than on your own club is the epitome of small club mentality if you ask me. I just want us to do our very best in each match we play and to see progress over the long term.

I wouldn‘t be surprised, if Ange is going to quit his job because of this mentality in the next few weeks. 🫤

 

[dontcallme]

Focusing more on a rival than on your own club is the epitome of small club mentality if you ask me. I just want us to do our very best in each match we play and to see progress over the long term.

In that case Arsenal have a small club mentality as when they were In the EL final and we were in the CL final loads of their fans said they’d rather we both lose than both win as they didn’t want us to win the CL.

 

[Mr Pink]

I mean I don't disagree with you, but wouldn't you say this is almost the definition of a club with 'fragile foundations'...

Maybe.

Its not the fans who built them though, is it?

Lets be honest here, if the owers actually behaved more like a big Club (they do in charging the fans) we'd all be having very different conversations.

 

[Legacy]

I'll be honest I expected more from a good number of quality posters who usually display decent knowledge of the game. I don't always agree with some of what they say, but it's become abundantly clear over the last 48 hours or so some of them have no idea whatsoever of what it means or entails to be at the top end of competitive sport.

It entails not losing 5 out of 6 matches at the business end of the season. It entails winning more than 1 away game in the whole of 2024. It entails not conceding 61 goals in 37 league games. It entails not losing 12 league games in a season. It entails not limping out of the Carabao Cup by sending out a near 100% second string team away against Premier League opponents.

It doesn't entail fans being content to lose one relatively meaningless game to deny their worst rivals the league. One Game. One game.

We've played 40 games this season, every fan will have been desperate to win 39 of those games. Had we won more of those 39 other games, there wouldn't have been many, if any, fans in the uniquely uncomfortable position they had found themselves in last night.

Whether you agree or disagree with people being in that position, there's too many people going over the top with their criticisms and it's utter bullshit.

Of the people who are preaching "I want my team to give 100% to win every single game because that's what an elite team does blah blah blah", I bet I can dig through old posts and find them advocating playing fringe or youth players In cup games against lesser opposition or Europa League/Conference League group games to rest key players for league games. AKA, "I consider some games less important to win than others and I'll be okay to sacrifice a win in a certain match because it might provide a benefit elsewhere."

 

[Shanks]

Its my opinion and Im entitled to it....dude.

And one wanker saying we should throw the game is not representative of the fans.

Fucking hell lol.

Absolutely no need to be a prick about it either.

I wasn't rude to you with my response, never said you ain't entitled to an opinion either.

One fan isn't representative of a fna bar, but a 50% poll is...

 

[Styopa]

It’s a one off game, chances of CL were slim at best.

They weren’t slim if we won last night. I think we would actually be favourites. Palace are favourites to beat Villa and we are strong favourites to beat Sheffield United.

Last night was a big match for us in terms of CL qualification.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

He probably is angry with himself and his players but he saw his team go toe to toe with probably the best team in Europe and our own fans laughed and celebrated when we conceded. It's no wonder he's pissed off.

Funny thing is, so many of these people having a go at Postecoglou are now running their mouth off all over social as if we've won something...

Arsenal can still technically win the league. Stranger things have happened.

If that happens, these same people will be mocked on social and rather than holding their hands up and admitting they went too early or too much, they'll start picking holes in our club.

Same toxic cycle every time.

You can be quietly relieved that we haven't helped the other lot out but you don't have to celebrate it for banter points. There's a world of difference...

Either way, I'm pretty sure Postecoglou's comments were much more all encompassing than an "attack on the fans" but some people seem, well, a bit fragile about it all and have taken it personally...

I'm feeling pretty good about where we're heading, and I'm proud of the lads performance last night in difficult circumstances.

 

[easley91]

It’s a combination of things.
He blamed players a couple of weeks ago, now he blames fans and the club mentality. When will we see him blaming himself??
It’s not the fans or the club mentality that make us defend like shit. We are not the ones who set a zonal marking in set pieces.

He's taken accountability in pretty much every post match interview..

 

[Retoanderik88]

It was a pretty unique experience. I wanted us to win and arsenal to bottle it final day ideally but I'm not sad we lost. Not because arsenal are now not in control of their destiny, but because we looked good yesterday. Most press resistant we've seen.

We are a very fragile fan base to be fair, a large proportion are very knee jerk, and often the fan base as a whole wants success but is not willing to sit in and work for it with the players. Plus we're very victim mentality, we can laugh at the people screaming conspiracy (Liverpool fans, arsenal utd etc) but were more than prone to the same thing when something goes wrong (lasagne gate etc).

Fwiw I don't think we had a massive choice in.losing yesterday regardless.