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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

piedpiper

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Be quite funny if Hammers pulled off the shock of all time and get a draw on Sunday and the other mob take it on goal

I was thinking that just now... I'll be okay with that as long as we didn't aid them. But City can be nervy on a final day and it got me thinking of it.
 

sundanceyid10

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He Doesn’t want to fight for fourth place which he has said on numerous occasions.
It’s not a trophy. We used to take the piss out of Arsenal for that mentality.
Top four is meaningless to him, he wants to be top which is where inside and outside the club needs to change.
An admirable ambition he is working under the wrong chairman if he has that goal then. It has changed little under Levy’s tenure through countless managers and players and won’t ever change, it wouldn’t matter who the manager is.
 

LeSoupeKitchen

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I’m sorry but if Arsenal winning the league is what you consider “utter misery” then you don’t know what “utter misery” is. But I think you probably do know what real misery is and you’re just being hyperbolic

Arsenal winning the league is annoying but it’s not “utter misery”.

Get over yourself. You don't know me or my understanding of "utter misery".

Football is an escape and full of hyperbole.

Having to consider all the world's problems in every aspect of our lives and every action we take is probably why there is a mental health crisis.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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We’ve been behind him after one of the worst runs of the last 20 years because he’s a likeable guy. After today’s comments I’m beginning to dislike him.
Most of the losses were his fault and now he has the nerve to criticize the fanbase. He can go if he wants to
Jesus wept :D
 

SirHarryHotspur

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For those that want a taste of Utter Misery, here it is :)

Arsenal capture 15052024 061354.jpg
 

sidford

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He's taken the easy way out going after nameless / faceless fans who can't counter him.
He should be angry at himself for his inflexibility, his shit set piece coaching which has cost us since the Everton game but for some reason only chose to change it 3 games ago when it had already cost us games, the players for putting in some truly terrible performances against Fulham, Brighton, Chelsea etc, the fact we lost 4 games in a row for first tims in over 20 years, losing 5 games in our last 6, his poor substitutions like giving Gil minutes when we have youth options who can't be any worse than he is etc etc

Take ownership of those things and hopefully you'll realise that it's you, your coaches and the players that put the fans in the shit position we were in last night. But no mate it's easier having a pop at us isn't it
 

Styopa

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Get over yourself. You don't know me or my understanding of "utter misery".

Football is an escape and full of hyperbole.

Having to consider all the world's problems in every aspect of our lives and every action we take is probably why there is a mental health crisis.

What? I haven’t said anything about considering all the world’s problems? That’s just more hyperbole.

I just think you need a reality check if Arsenal fans bantering you makes you utterly miserable.

As you said, football is escapism. But if it’s making you utterly miserable then how escapist is it?
 

WiganSpur

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The thing is Ange has been saying for months now that he doesn’t really care about top 4 etc and I think that’s played a part in the messaging to the fans about the game last night.

On top of that rightly or wrongly his unwillingness to adapt his tactics to grind out more results of late suggested that this was true as well. That it was more about drilling a style of play etc.

If there were trophies on the line or Ange had specifically asked the fans to get behind the team despite the conflict then I think we would have seen a different atmosphere.

Given that context I think the only explanation for his surprise is that he doesn’t understand the history of the rivalry.

However I will add that some fans shouting at Ange to throw the game and the ones doing the Poznan were a total embarrassment. Just stay at home and sell your ticket to someone who’s on the other side of the fence.
 

Styopa

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He's taken the easy way out going after nameless / faceless fans who can't counter him.
He should be angry at himself for his inflexibility, his shit set piece coaching which has cost us since the Everton game but for some reason only chose to change it 3 games ago when it had already cost us games, the players for putting in some truly terrible performances against Fulham, Brighton, Chelsea etc, the fact we lost 4 games in a row for first tims in over 20 years, losing 5 games in our last 6, his poor substitutions like giving Gil minutes when we have youth options who can't be any worse than he is etc etc

Take ownership of those things and hopefully you'll realise that it's you, your coaches and the players that put the fans in the shit position we were in last night. But no mate it's easier having a pop at us isn't it

The point is if we lose, we lose. It just means we’re not good enough.

But wanting to lose is completely different.

That’s what he was frustrated about.
 

LeSoupeKitchen

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What? I haven’t said anything about considering all the world’s problems? That’s just more hyperbole.

I just think you need a reality check if Arsenal fans bantering you makes you utterly miserable.

As you said, football is escapism. But if it’s making you utterly miserable then how escapist is it?

It's nice to have variety in the things that make me utterly miserable.

The banter is one side of it. A big reason I don't want Arsenal to win is because I actually hold out hope of Spurs winning it in the not too distant future. The more our rivals have won it, the less it will mean when we manage it.

Exactly the same reason why Arsenal fans were freaking out that we might win the Champs League because if they ever did it they wouldn't be able to lord it over us as much.
 

Styopa

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Given that context I think the only explanation for his surprise is that he doesn’t understand the history of the rivalry.

I think this is really unlikely. It doesn’t take much to familiarise oneself with the history of the rivalry. He’s at the club day in, day out and you can see he’s a proper football man. He grew up following English football. I think he’ll know about the rivalry.
 

ClonedFromSandrosBeard

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The point is if we lose, we lose. It just means we’re not good enough.

But wanting to lose is completely different.

That’s what he was frustrated about.
Obviously not at training, so I don't know if this was a concern with players or coaches or whatever.

From a fan's perspective though I think it's fine to recognize you're losing to a superior team, recognise that this is ok because Arsenal are now less likely to win the league, and have some fun with it.

I just think his comments about 'foundations' being shaky are hyperbolic and out of order if he's talking about fans alone. I'm still very much Ange in fwiw
 

Styopa

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Obviously not at training, so I don't know if this was a concern with players or coaches or whatever.

From a fan's perspective though I think it's fine to recognize you're losing to a superior team, recognise that this is ok because Arsenal are now less likely to win the league, and have some fun with it.

I just think his comments about 'foundations' being shaky are hyperbolic and out of order if he's talking about fans alone. I'm still very much Ange in fwiw

Yeah I do agree that what the fans want is different to how the players go about things.

But I do think it makes a difference. The players are only humans. They’re young men. They use the internet and hear things from fans. So if they’re getting the message that many Spurs fans will be happy if they lose the match that must affect them, even subconsciously.

That’s even before we get into the question of the atmosphere of the stadium.
 
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