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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

Metalhead

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It’s not like him to switch on us like that or the club anyone think he knows levy might sack him? Like jol ??
Or maybe he's just pissed off with the mentality. Not everything needs to be because something is going on.
 

TheSpillage

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I’m still pro Ange and will be back to fully supporting the team next year. I didn’t actively support City last night and didn’t hear many doing so out of nearly 60,000 people.

There was some fun being had at Arsenal’s expense but, jesus, if you can’t laugh at your rivals once your season is all but over, then what can you do!?

I think and hope his comments were down to frustration last night. Tbh I’ve not taken too well to the whole “We should be embarrassed as fans“ or “Small time mentality” brigade who have been telling us what to think all week.

I’m there week in, week out singing my heart out and it’s been really crap for a good few months now. As much as I hate seeing us lose (again), knowing that we’ve stopped the scum winning the league actually made me feel very pleased thank you very much and I’m tired of being told I’m a bad fan because of it.
 

markt

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Wanting the guy to improve certain aspects of our play, some tactical tweaks and rework our set pieces are all fine.

However, criticising him because he wants to win. Moaning because he wants to change the culture inside and out. Come on! That's the mentality that might actually lead to change and put foundations in place to build something more than just cracking open the champagne for 4th spot. Doesn't mean getting back into the champions league is not progress, as we have dropped off post Poch, but that being an end goal just doesn't cut it.

A lot of what Ange says makes sense about creating the style we want to play (when it has worked, it has been a lot of fun). He wants to set the foundations for youth to step into, not just throw them in desperation. Then he wants the depth, players and characters needed. The last one in particular is key, as we do have some talent in the squad.

Let's back him and see what he can do with another summer to strengthen and prepare the squad.
 

piedpiper

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I think he’s right. I also said the same thing before the match. You can’t complain about mentality if you are the kind of fan who is more interested in what Arsenal are doing than us.

Anyway half of this forum wanted us to lose so why aren’t there lots of posts in here congratulating Ange and the boys for their good work? It’s the result many of you wanted.
You damn right mate... well done Ange and the Team. You helped get the right result against 4 times champions on the process denying our biggest rivals a chance at the title.
 

Styopa

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It’s not like him to switch on us like that or the club anyone think he knows levy might sack him? Like jol ??

I don’t think he’s going to be sacked.

I think he’s just frustrated because he wants to win and was a bit taken aback by the mentality of the fanbase.

I’ve been a Spurs fan for decades and even I’ve been a bit surprised by it all. Not the being conflicted but the out and out wanting Man C to win even when we had a lot to play for.
 

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I’m still pro Ange and will be back to fully supporting the team next year. I didn’t actively support City last night and didn’t hear many doing so out of nearly 60,000 people.

There was some fun being had at Arsenal’s expense but, jesus, if you can’t laugh at your rivals once your season is all but over, then what can you do!?

I think and hope his comments were down to frustration last night. Tbh I’ve not taken too well to the whole “We should be embarrassed as fans“ or “Small time mentality” brigade who have been telling us what to think all week.

I’m there week in, week out singing my heart out and it’s been really crap for a good few months now. As much as I hate seeing us lose (again), knowing that we’ve stopped the scum winning the league actually made me feel very pleased thank you very much and I’m tired of being told I’m a bad fan because of it.
From my point of view, it's just frustration that it's the way it's almost always been with the club in the 35 odd years I've been following the club. It's all ok as long as we stop Arsenal. You're right - people are entitled to feel how they want but my personal take is that I don't like it.
 

piedpiper

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He's right about a fragile fan base , Wembley 22 Apr 2017 , 4-2 down 10 minutes to go and half the Spurs end had left , I was feeling very lonely.
Happens everywhere... wasn't there scenes like that 2 yrs ago at the Emirates Stadium ? Or maybe another club... I've seen it countless times though. I've switched off the Telly of late when we 3 or 4 down after 60 minutes. I did it under AVB and I even stopped watching us in my own form of protest.

On Ange... he seems a little fragile at best and I must say after conceding early goals game after game after game I'm.not sure he has the right tactical nous required. He appears rather one dimensional BUT it's his first season let's see if he has learnt from this year.
 

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This is a club that celebrates fourth like a title, just to qualify for Champions League football and hope and pray we avoid the bigger clubs while also panicking that we'll "do a Spurs" and struggle to beat the smaller clubs.

A fanbase that includes some who actively celebrated a loss and who are already worrying about not being able to score against a relegated Sheffield United team that has conceded over 100 goals.

A team that has completely come off the boil since we started actually competing for something and only starts playing when we're losing, or tonight when the pressure was off and excuses were already being made for them.

Sorry but he's fucking right.
Absolutely this. It’s been like this for what seems for ever. Fourth place is meaningless.
 

Styopa

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There was some fun being had at Arsenal’s expense but, jesus, if you can’t laugh at your rivals once your season is all but over, then what can you do!?

But our season was not “all but over”.

Crystal Palace are favourites to beat Villa on Sunday, so actually a lot was resting on last night’s match.

OK people can say they prefer Arsenal missing out on the league than us finishing fourth, but they can’t say last night’s match meant nothing for us.
 

spurmin

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The more I think about Anges comments the more annoyed I am with them.

First, I hated how some fans acted in the stadium. I said in the match thread, I was worried about fans embarrassing the club and it happened.

Being happy we lost to hurt Arsenal is one thing. But do it while supporting the club. Don't be cheering openly against us.

Now for Ange, for once I am annoyed with him. Get off your high horse Ange. If you made tactically changes 7 games ago, we would have finished top 4. Instead he's doing the same shit as Poch "I don't care about top 4" like Poch used to say "I don't care about league cups."

Maybe if he cared, maybe if he changed things a month ago, the fans would still be fighting for top 4. Instead we have played like absolute shit for the last 2 months and killed pretty much any chance at 4th. Because of that, fans were happy to focus on hurting arsenal instead of trying to win for 4th.
He Doesn’t want to fight for fourth place which he has said on numerous occasions.
It’s not a trophy. We used to take the piss out of Arsenal for that mentality.
Top four is meaningless to him, he wants to be top which is where inside and outside the club needs to change.
 

LeSoupeKitchen

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I'm guessing some of you don't have to interact with Arsenal fans on a regular basis and have the luxury of preaching a "winners mentality" without any risk of the utter misery that Arsenal winning the league would bring.
 

Styopa

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Absolutely this. It’s been like this for what seems for ever. Fourth place is meaningless.

It’s not meaningless. The problem is treating it like the holy grail. But finishing fourth and being in the Champions League is better than finishing 5th and being in the Europa.
 

TheSpillage

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But our season was not “all but over”.

Crystal Palace are favourites to beat Villa on Sunday, so actually a lot was resting on last night’s match.

OK people can say they prefer Arsenal missing out on the league than us finishing fourth, but they can’t say last night’s match meant nothing for us.
The fun at Arsenal’s expense came at 2-0 down. The season was over.
 

Styopa

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I'm guessing some of you don't have to interact with Arsenal fans on a regular basis and have the luxury of preaching a "winners mentality" without any risk of the utter misery that Arsenal winning the league would bring.

I’m sorry but if Arsenal winning the league is what you consider “utter misery” then you don’t know what “utter misery” is. But I think you probably do know what real misery is and you’re just being hyperbolic

Arsenal winning the league is annoying but it’s not “utter misery”.
 

SirHarryHotspur

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Man U were in the same position as us , beat Arsenal and hand the title to their bitter rivals, yet The Guardian reported strong support for the team, Sky last night was continually referring to lack of atmosphere not surprised Ange felt let down
Be quite funny if Hammers pulled off the shock of all time and get a draw on Sunday and the other mob take it on goal difference.



 

TheSpillage

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Man U were in the same position as us , beat Arsenal and hand the title to their bitter rivals, yet The Guardian reported strong support for the team, Sky last night was continually referring to lack of atmosphere not surprised Ange felt let down
Be quite funny if Hammers pulled off the shock of all time and get a draw on Sunday and the other mob take it on goal difference.



If Man Utd had been playing a game which might hand Liverpool the title, they would not have provided such strong support. The noise that night was to show City they still don’t care about them.
 

Styopa

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Be quite funny if Hammers pulled off the shock of all time and get a draw on Sunday and the other mob take it on goal difference

It’s unlikely, but it’s possible.

I also think it’s highly likely that Palace will beat Villa.

So we could be in a situation where we miss out on the Champions League by two or three points and Arsenal win the league.
 

piedpiper

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It’s not meaningless. The problem is treating it like the holy grail. But finishing fourth and being in the Champions League is better than finishing 5th and being in the Europa.
Better for who ? All it would do is place more pressure on the squad. We not ready for that competition anyone can see that.

I've always hated the EL because of the Thursday / Sunday turnaround.... but at this moment in time I believe it's the right competition to be in.

We've been there done that and it got us no where.
 
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