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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

cliff jones

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If he'd prepped the set piece defending properly at home to them lot he wouldn't have put himself and all of us who care in the situation.

Just focus on the next and last game, then don't settle for mediocre signings because they make financial sense
 

soflapaul

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left the threads for a few hours and a whole tapestry has been made. passions run high.

The bottom line is that Ange has a system that works well against open play. The results speak for themselves. This wasn't a case of the team showing up for the first time in several games. it was the case of a team not adjusting their tactics to fit their opponent. We had plenty of chances to get a result.

So for a a first year coach who lost easily are most important player while instituting a new system and standard, he has nothing to apologize for especially not to the fan. He is trying to change the culture of the club which is a task that the migthy Hercules would struggle with (not you mate).

What really will be telling is how will we attack teams next year that pack it in and play a counter strategy which was used successfully time and time again against us. That is where we pick up players who are effective against that or Ange and his coaches develop a Plan B that doesn't deviate from the overall plan. Ange was part of the problem this year but that was to be expected. There is plenty of blame to go around.

But one thing for certain is that Ange doesn't do this for his ego. He does it for the challenge. He is all in on Spurs as we are. I'm all in on him too for the now. Back him Levy, back him fans and Ange look to where you can grow too.
 

rossdapep

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First big mistep from Ange imo.

If 3 points today would have guaranteed top 4 then perhaps he'd have more of a point but it was an unprecedented situation whereby a win most likely left us in exactly the same position as a loss (aka 5th) but also handed our biggest rivals the title. It's understandable why fans wouldn't be desperate for us to win.

Frankly, we should have walked top 4 had it not been for some really really poor performances since the turn of the year. Choosing to blame the fans for having a loser mentality in this unique situation is an odd hill to die on, especially given that I didn't see any fans wanted us to do anything except win in the games that actually mattered against Arsenal, Fulham, Chelsea, Wolves etc. Had the teams performances matched the fans' intensity in those games we'd be comfortably above Villa, but it didn't and that's on him.

Still obviously think he should be backed this summer and it's been a promising first season but alienating the fanbase is a strange way to end the season.
You think it's Ange?

Is it possible some players relaxed after we beat Villa and thought "job done"?
 

Rout-Ledge

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Part of the context of this is that it seemed for a while that the tables had finally turned, and we had overtaken Arsenal. We finished above them 6 years in a row. For them to win the title now would be particularly painful for us. Let alone as a direct consequence of a match we won. It’s just too much. Ange can say he understands rivalries but I don’t think he understands how painful this would have been.
 

Wearegoingtowintheleague

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It's all pretty understandable.

We need to remember Ange is not here as a fan, so the rivalry between Spurs and Arsenal isn't as importsnt to him like it is to us fans.

He says he doesn't get the bragging rights etc and it's all about winning to him. I get that...

However, when you are a club that haven't won a trophy in forever and haven't had much to cheer about, all you tend to be left with is the rivalry and banter.

We all want to win, but if it was just about winning most of the fans would have given up on our club years ago

Not one fan enjoyed being in a position where us winning or drawing handed Arsenal the title. For every other game including being 3-0 down at home to our rivals we gave the team our support.

I get why Ange wouldn't like it, but he should try to understand why some of the fanbase would feel this way.
 

ljinko888

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Two different things can exist at the same time.

1) Generally he is right that we should play to win every game and the mentality at the club is miles away from that.

2) It was totally fine for us to not be upset losing tonight.

This man has been involved in the Old Firm rivalry. That hatred includes outright religious bigotry. If Celtic were in this position he would be hounded in the streets for handing Rangers the title.

Celtic were never in that position however because he built a team that swept everybody aside not just winning games but winning in style. He wants to do that at Spurs and I would like to see him given the time to do it.
 

yankspurs

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Ange is right about the fans mentality. The fan base, by & large, has a weak mentality because it's been beaten into us by a club that constantly breaks its fans hearts in every way imaginable. Its beat us into submission so now we accept mediocrity. It's the same mentality that lets Levy get away with it year in & year out. The same mentality that leads fans to berate others who call out the bullshit. Good luck changing the mentality of this club & its fans. Nothing will change until there is a change of ownership & there is nothing Ange or anyone can do about it, unless they've got a group of people with a couple billion at their disposal. I'm really not sure how many times it needs to be stated.
 

Romulus

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Ange is right about the fans mentality. The fan base, by & large, has a weak mentality because it's been beaten into us by a club that constantly breaks its fans hearts in every way imaginable. Its beat us into submission so now we accept mediocrity. It's the same mentality that lets Levy get away with it year in & year out. The same mentality that leads fans to berate others who call out the bullshit. Good luck changing the mentality of this club & its fans. Nothing will change until there is a change of ownership & there is nothing Ange or anyone can do about it, unless they've got a group of people with a couple billion at their disposal. I'm really not sure how many times it needs to be stated.
and he's continuing the trend. we've lost 5 out of 6 games, conceding the same way every game, played dogshit football since November and crumbled at the key point of the season.

So lets see if he can change the mentality.
 

gavspur

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I think he’s right. I didn’t want us to lose, I never want that. Doesn’t mean I want Arsenal to win the league tho. I thought we could have done it tonight, but we again didn’t take our chances. To be honest, in recent games, I didn’t see us winning before the match, apart from a brief belief. But we did well. We fucked it well before this match. He’s right. Good on him for saying so. And the fans that did the City celebration? Go fuck yourselves, cos that’s embarrassing.
 

13VanDerBale13

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All well & good wanting to change the mentality of this club, but that comes from the top.
He’ll just be another in a long list, to find that out.
 

SpartanSpur

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Still fully behind Ange and believe he will make us a force if properly backed, but I must admit I'm frustrated at his comments tonight. It just feels so lazy and obvious to go back to the 'Spurs lack a winning mentality' well when we've just found ourselves in a nearly unprecedented situation. At least in regard of the fans. Internally can be a different matter.

What really irks me is that he's been asking us to stand back and look at a bigger picture in recent weeks in respect of a) the importance of a top four race and b) the importance of practicing defending set pieces, the latter being what arguably put us in this awful position. As someone who has understood his message on this front and supported it - and accepted our terrible record in derbies this season as growing pains - this just feels like a bit of a cop out to me.

When it comes to winning mentality I'm more interested in how we put out such flat and poor displays against Chelsea, Fulham, Newcastle and West Ham.

He's an intelligent man, he understands football and rivalry. It's not like we're saying we'd lose an actual cup final if it meant Arsenal didn't win the league. We're talking about a game which could end up being totally irrelevant to us if Villa get a point or more at Palace on Sunday, and even so this would just be to get something he's gone on record saying we are not ready for, and something we have experienced plenty of times in recent years.

I just hope he's right and has the right adjustments in mind to make us successful.

Rare L on the press conference from Ange, up until now he's been pretty much flawless.
 

ljinko888

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United fans wanted United to beat Arsenal. There was none of this nonsense

That's not the same situation. United fans have witnessed City win title after title for a decade so it is nothing new. They are numb to it. But more importantly they place an asterisk by City's titles because it was all done with oil money. That situation is more like our rivalry with Chelsea where after Abramovich's takeover it was inevitable they would win a title but it was not built with sporting integrity.

If Arsenal were taken over by the Qatari state tomorrow I would resign myself to them inevitably buying their way to a title. I don't want to witness them do it against oil money because that is what we aspire to do. I want to beat them to it
 

Reece_Spurs

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Anyone saying we should have walked top 4 are fucking deluded. Jesus christ.

Same fans in the stadium that boo and hiss after every a misplaced pass? Only sing when we are winning?

With a new manager with a new style and philosophy?

After losing Kane?

There's alot of internal issues with the club, but the fans, are also one of them. Whats the point in the best stadium in the world when you're going to boo your team off when we are 1-0 down or 1-1 at home? And yes that's happened.
 

yankspurs

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and he's continuing the trend. we've lost 5 out of 6 games, conceding the same way every game, played dogshit football since November and crumbled at the key point of the season.

So lets see if he can change the mentality.
Oh absolutely. It is definitely his & the players faults today was the scenario it was. Ange also spent months on end claiming he didnt care about top 4 so when the fans forget about top 4 in order to ruin Arsenal winning the league, he should accept that.
 

Bobbins

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There is no way bro typed “klopp” with a straight face. He’s the furthest thing from a decent bloke.

I mentioned in passing conversation with a couple of United and Liverpool fans that Klopp had no class and both of them physically recoiled like I’d jus to spat on their feet.

The United fan is the kind of know-nothing southern panda who just believes the general media vibe that Klopp is a legend. The Pool fan is a scouser so obviously can’t hear a word against him.

When I pointed out a few of the examples of Klopp behaving like a total prick to journalists trying to do their jobs, the United fan basically said “Oh yeah, I kinda forgot he does that a lot”. The Scouser simply would not hear a single word against him.
 

rossdapep

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Part of the context of this is that it seemed for a while that the tables had finally turned, and we had overtaken Arsenal. We finished above them 6 years in a row. For them to win the title now would be particularly painful for us. Let alone as a direct consequence of a match we won. It’s just too much. Ange can say he understands rivalries but I don’t think he understands how painful this would have been.
Yes but we also need to understand Ange's way of thinking too.

A winner like that does not see anything or excuse to not win. Its win or lose.

No time for empathy.

Seen as he just saw fans get louder once City went 2 up and had a dickhead in his ear all game, it isn't in his core to think "Yeah I get it".

No, it probably repulses him cause he's a winner and just cannot see the inbetween.

I'm glad he can't. Sick to death of us being a punchline.

We need him. We need him to rid the club of this loser mentality and this spursy tag.
 

rossdapep

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Oh absolutely. It is definitely his & the players faults today was the scenario it was. Ange also spent months on end claiming he didnt care about top 4 so when the fans forget about top 4 in order to ruin Arsenal winning the league, he should accept that.
No, fans should have seen the bigger picture.

A guy who isn't here to settle for 2nd best.

He wants to win and does not suffer fools.

I'm right behind him and when he made that comment at the time, I fully bought into it cause short term thinking is what makes this club a losing one.
 
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